Bring back temp bans on reports

[Jetwells]

I believe we should bring back the temporary bans for people called into reports until a sufficient PoV has been given, and not merely a 2 line response that some people think is adequate.

Views?

[Nightngale]

Individuals are still temporarily banned to respond to a report if they have not done so after 24 hours of being called in. In many cases, people who are inactive on the forums are temp banned immediately. When they do finally respond if it is a short and inadequate POV, they will be asked to provide a full and detailed POV. The ban will not usually be lifted till they have done so.

Is this in response to a certain report?

[Jetwells]

I understand that, And that is a good thing, But i remember when you were temp banned the instance a report was put up against you. So you knew. Far too many people dont come on the forums and go ingame over other things. This would give them the incentive to actually read the forums also. I just feel some people dont take the reports seriously and nothing is done about that. And its honestly creating a big gap in the community between the people who care about RP, and the people who really dont give a damn anymore. Its obvious to see.

Do you think people would constantly do these sketchy robberies all the time, the stupid initiations over the smallest thing if there's a possibility of being banned for being in a report? There is obviously going to be some style of reports that do not warrant this, But for a majority of reports. I feel this should be done.

Its not in response to a certain report. But many, built up over the past month or so, that you can see a pattern emerge. People just dont seem to care anymore. A report is nothing more than a debate where they can throw there E-Peen about about how "No rule has been broken"

[Nightngale]

I can understand where you are coming from here since there is a large demographic that merely plays ingame and neglects the forums. The forums is a large portion of the community and is important to read, but can often be intimidating, especially to newer members. When I first joined, I know I barely read the forums those first few weeks as it seemed confusing.

But we cannot immediately temporarily ban someone every time they are called into a report. Often times reports are made directly after a situation takes place and one party is often still ingame. Do you propose we temp ban those people from the server when they could potentially be in the middle of RP? I feel the system we currently use is sufficient. It gets the job done effectively and rather quickly.

I see why you would want people to be motivated to provide better RP and be more active on the forums, but banning them does not seem the best way to achieve this.

[Grihm]

But we cannot immediately temporarily ban someone every time they are called into a report. Often times reports are made directly after a situation takes place and one party is often still ingame. Do you propose we temp ban those people from the server when they could potentially be in the middle of RP?

Not really a valid point since the person could be involved in RP later on as well when the actual ban is made. A ban should be done on the spot since a wait for 24 hours or so could result in the accused causing more trouble on the server during that wait period.

[Nightngale]

But we cannot immediately temporarily ban someone every time they are called into a report. Often times reports are made directly after a situation takes place and one party is often still ingame. Do you propose we temp ban those people from the server when they could potentially be in the middle of RP?

Not really a valid point since the person could be involved in RP later on as well when the actual ban is made. A ban should be done on the spot since a wait for 24 hours or so could result in the accused causing more trouble on the server during that wait period.

Just like any other statistic, there are outliers. There will be people that go around and continue causing trouble until they are forcefully made to respond to the report. Then you will have people that respond while they are in the situation still. However, the majority of people finish what they are doing, check the forums, see they have been called to a report, and respond accordingly. It would not be fair by any means to temp ban someone immediately just because someone has made a report on them. You should know just as well as anyone Grihm that not all reports carry weight and result in bans. If this was implemented people could abuse it or use the temp ban to their advantage. If it is clear someone is causing great harm to the server they will be temp banned before further harm is done.

[sung]

Not really a valid point since the person could be involved in RP later on as well when the actual ban is made. A ban should be done on the spot since a wait for 24 hours or so could result in the accused causing more trouble on the server during that wait period.

If we notice that someone is causing more trouble after being called into a report, we discuss if it is serious enough to temporarily ban them. If we decide it is serious enough, then obviously they are banned before the 24 hour mark. This would also apply to someone if they have noticeable inactivity on the forums (for example: someone hasn't logged onto the forums in 2 weeks. In this case, we would temp ban them straight away to gain their attention).

We're all here to play a game so we won't go around and temporarily ban someone without giving them enough time to finish what they're doing in-game. This would also apply to real life responsibilities such as sleeping, working or whatever else they need to do.

There is nothing wrong with the way we handle things at the moment.

[Grihm]

But we cannot immediately temporarily ban someone every time they are called into a report. Often times reports are made directly after a situation takes place and one party is often still ingame. Do you propose we temp ban those people from the server when they could potentially be in the middle of RP?

Not really a valid point since the person could be involved in RP later on as well when the actual ban is made. A ban should be done on the spot since a wait for 24 hours or so could result in the accused causing more trouble on the server during that wait period.

You should know just as well as anyone Grihm that not all reports carry weight and result in bans. If this was implemented people could abuse it or use the temp ban to their advantage. If it is clear someone is causing great harm to the server they will be temp banned before further harm is done.

Pretty clear cut that anyone abusing the system should be banned as well, but giving them 24 hours extra is not the best cause of action IMO. However, you guys decide what the outcome is and what you deem best for all.

[Guest]

I agree that most reports have turned into nothing more but a place where people just go to have arguments and in most cases fail to see the point in it all.There seem to be some people who think that they are always right and they clearly show that in the reports,even after a verdict is made and someone is found guilty they still think that they didn't really do anything wrong.Temp ban right away should be the case,until a POV is posted(an actual POV rather than a joke to show that you don't care)

[Jetwells]

People don't take reports seriously no more. That is why i am suggesting this. People laugh about being called into a report, Choose to try and belittle someone because they feel they "Know the rules" and nothing is mentioned about the attitude EVER. I understand people have friends within the community in staff positions, but this should not effect decisions that are made. I'm not saying this is the case, but its quite convenient that people can have their perm-ban revoked and given a final chance for things such as "Harassment", yet people who have maybe accumulated minimal reports against them. They aren't given this second chance and they are met with a stern, "FO somewhere else".

There is inconsistency in the decisions made, or no decisions are made on certain matters. Such as the attitude that certain members show in reports on multiple occasions.

[Gina]

I can see and understand the point what OP has and others who agree with him, but I still think that the current system is good enough to get reports solved. If people were banned on a spot when report was put up, it could easily be abused, and believe me there are people who would do that just to get someone banned from the server even for a short time.

I have heard threats made like "If I don't like your RP I'm gonna report you" etc, so this system in place would give them the chance to get person who they don't like OOC, temp banned from server.

[Chance]

Inability to respond to a report accusation in a responsible/sensible manor should be met with some form of punishment, whether that be a very temporary ban, or warning points. 

Overall, I agree with what you are saying.

[Guest DooD YC]

I agree with you to an extent Jet but its like what Gina said, it would be very easy to get people temporally band due to an OP in a report being salty because they were robbed or something.

[Guest Callie]

Question I have to ask is, how would this improve anything?

As stated above, this could potentially be abused. The OP's POV could make it sound like horrible RP, KOS, etc. when in reality it's not exactly how the situation panned out whatsoever.

I see the current temp ban system working fine as is right now.

• Forum inactivity (1+ week)
  
• Failing to respond within 24 hours
  
• Failing to respond, despite being on forums (within the first 24 hours)
  
• Providing minimal responses, which clutters the report
  
• Multiple reports with no response
  

I believe that's the general criteria we use to temp ban someone, though I may have missed something. I primarily see temp bans being placed as a minor punishment, so I have no issue with allowing someone adequate time to provide a POV or collect any evidence as necessary before posting within reasonable time. This also touches on what Sung mentioned where if the report is put up very quickly when a situation may still be ongoing. As the temp ban is a form of punishment in itself, this would also potentially disrupt any RP that may be going on at the time.

Quick example. Someone believes they were KOSed. The accused in that report continues to RP as normal, not suspecting a report to have been made, and continues on with what we would expect in game. The report is hastily made and the accused is temp banned, disrupting their own RP and the RP of anyone they may be with. I feel that in itself would be a bit unjust unless they meet the above listed criteria. I would argue that punishing someone straight away (temp ban) without giving them the adequate time to respond would be unfair.

[Volke]

I think the system is fine as it is IMO: pulling someone away from the game is a punishment enough especially for the rule they may not have even broken. If the person is seen as making multiple rule-breaks, staff will temp ban them. But whether they get immediately banned for not replying to a report or 24 hrs doesn't really matter. We have to remember people have IRL responsibilities and duties and the like.

[Yoshi]

I can see and understand the point what OP has and others who agree with him, but I still think that the current system is good enough to get reports solved. If people were banned on a spot when report was put up, it could easily be abused, and believe me there are people who would do that just to get someone banned from the server even for a short time.

I have heard threats made like "If I don't like your RP I'm gonna report you" etc, so this system in place would give them the chance to get person who they don't like OOC, temp banned from server.

This is too true. The amount of blackmail that would occur... *shudders at the thought*

@OP

I especially hate those, in particular (and yes, I use hate accordingly), who come onto the forums and ignore the report or provide minimal responses so that they can drag out the time that they aren't banned for as long as possible. I've seen the way DayZRP does business here, and I've seen the way it's done elsewhere. TRUST me, it's done most efficiently here. I don't believe they need to change anything.

[Volke]

Exactly what Mama Gina said ^^

[Brad]

Choose to try and belittle someone because they feel they "Know the rules" and nothing is mentioned about the attitude EVER. 

Read over a few reports, we give out warnings for poor attitude all the time, and it is definitely considered during the final verdict.

[Dew]

No, I feel like that would be unnecessary because there already is a temp ban system set up. You're given 24 hours to respond to the report, if you don't you're temp banned until you do. If this were implemented and someone just put up a report on you after they died and it turns out to be a false/salt report, that would be suck a waste of time. It takes about less than 5 minutes to type up a normal POV. Everyone has 5 minutes, so it would be unnecessarily putting extra work on GM's to temp ban someone then un-ban them like what a couple hours later?

[iparodyall]

Question I have to ask is, how would this improve anything?

Quick example. Someone believes they were KOSed. The accused in that report continues to RP as normal, not suspecting a report to have been made, and continues on with what we would expect in game. The report is hastily made and the accused is temp banned, disrupting their own RP and the RP of anyone they may be with. I feel that in itself would be a bit unjust unless they meet the above listed criteria. I would argue that punishing someone straight away (temp ban) without giving them the adequate time to respond would be unfair.

WELL SAID

i have to agree, ive noticed sometimes things are a simple misunderstanding and i think immediately temp banning someone would actually cause more animosity and more hatred between the accused and accuser even if it was a misunderstanding or accident.

Plus people would abuse the hell out of it just to piss someone off or to ruin their RP plans.

I've seen the reports, i look at them all the time to learn from them, and honestly, about 25% of the reports are a bit on the "I'm pissy cause my gun got took" side.

Plus if you temp ban immediately, hostages will be in control, RP will be stale and people will become timid from bandit RP. I don't want people too afraid to initiate because they don't want me to ruin their night with a report

Bandit RP is still necessary and i WONT stand for people becoming too scared to kidnap me and punch me in the head a few times!