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EU1 - KOS


xNomad

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Server and location: EU1 - Kabanino

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2:50PM U.S. Eastern

Daytime or Night-time: Night-time

Your in game name: Eli Hammond

Names of allies involved: Andrew Baker, Bo Wang

Name/Skin of suspect/s: Garbo Tarasov (sp?), Olson O'Connor (sp?), and others

Suspects weapon/s: Unknown

Ran into Garbo while in Kabanino.  I asked him if he had any canned food that I could trade a few apples for.  Proceeded to swap items with him and then I was killed by an unknown shooter. There was no initiation.

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  • Sapphire

u initiated on us first we had kos rights, I wanna talk this out in ts plz

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  • Legend

Disconnect/Connect Logs:

19:11:18 | Player "Oisin OConnor" is connected
currently still ingame 

Hit Logs:

20:52:23 | "Oisin OConnor SHOT Eli Hammond by UMP45 into Chest."
20:52:23 | "Eli Hammond STATUS S::2000 B::3000 H::3000 HP::0." 

Kill Logs:

20:52:23 | Player "Eli Hammond" has been killed by player "Oisin OConnor" 

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Please post your full and detailed point of view of the situation.

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You initiated on us at Vybor, we followed you to Kab, we found you, we engaged.

We had KOS rights to do so.

POV: I was with Oisin and my group, the Insurgents. We're talking, we see guys sneaking around, we follow them, they initiate, cuff us and stuff, then run away. We chase after them, find them and engage, they take me hostage. That's all.

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You didn't have KOS rights on me. I was not involved in the initiation in Vybor (review your video and post it). Didn't even come into Kabanino with the rest of that group. I came over from northwest airfield. So there was no way you could have made the assumption that led to KOS.

At the very least, you should have initiated.

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  • Sapphire

You initiated on us at Vybor, we followed you to Kab, we found you, we engaged.

We had KOS rights to do so.

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Do you have video evidence of this event?

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  • Sapphire

Right, first of all I would once again like to talk to the maker of the report in teamspeak, I believe this is a simple misunderstanding that can be cleared out between us, as stated I would like to talk to the maker of the report not one of your friends or group members.

POV- Video evidence will follow once it is ready for upload.

I was rolling with a couple random people I met in vybor and two friends of mine, roryfranko14 and djhato, we were talking and some I saw some guys running around in the shadows not to far away, so I ran up and asked what they were doing sneaking around ( I was backed up by Claudia ethereal ) we talked for abit the guy was abit aggressive and he moved on, his friend then apologised for him being hostile, a minute or so later Claudia saw them running in the fields behind the town and it seemed like they were trying to get an angle or something on us to initiate so we followed them and were initiated on, they shouted a lot and commanded ( BAD RP ) and then tried checking my stuff ( 5 SECOND ROBBERY ) eventually they let us go and I ran to the industrial part of vybor, where I met kenji and the others I was with before, we done abit of rp and decided to leave the guys be as we didn't have any leads on where they went, then after around 5 minutes or so ( I think that's from memory could be wrong ) we ran into garbo who said he ran into some guys who were in a rush in kab, ( the general direction they headed previously when they left me and Claudia ) so we followed garbo up there who had no idea what was going on or what happened other than some guys pointed guns at me, we got to kab and we saw the group, they looked the same as before from what I saw and were obviously all close ( friends or a group)  the guy in the cowboy hat who I killed ( supposed kos ) had a plate carrier on ( don't see many ) and one of the guys who robbed us had one, so I decided to kill him thinkin he was the same guy, I then took shots and ran behind some hay bales and bandaged myself this was around the time garbo was shot ( KOS HE WASNT WITH OUR GROUP AND DIDNT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON ) , then Andrew baker I believe told me to put my hands up and I lied about shooting his friend and said it was Claudia, he then tried to get me to move and went across the street and was vaulting over a fence, seeing this I decided to make a run for it, I Then ran to the piano house were I was killed, some ooc chat happened in our teamspeak and I respawned I don't know what happened beyond this point.

I would like to make several counter points to the KOS first of is the BAD RP you guys gave minimal rp during the situation and then killed a random who you could have rp'ed with further, My second point is the 5 SECOND ROBBERY this I don't mind about because you didn't take anything but still you looked and were clearly out for some gear, My last point is your KOS on garbo, he wasn't involved with us and was only showing us where you were he had no idea what we would do.

Once again I would like to say I am more than willing to talk this out in TeamSpeak with the report maker.

Additional video evidence will be put up once I have rendering and uploaded the video so it will b late tomorrow before it is up, the video is from the point of initation to my death and a little bit further ( all ooc from my death onwards ).

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  • Sapphire

You initiated on us at Vybor, we followed you to Kab, we found you, we engaged.

We had KOS rights to do so.

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Do you have video evidence of this event?

Oisin does.

If it could be posted as soon as possible.  That would be great.


Until the video is posted refrain from a back and forth please, at that time staff will question as needed.

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  • Sapphire

Garbo's POV

I left Kabanino for Vybor when the OP and/or his friends ran past me. They said they were in a hurry and quickly asked if I needed some food. I replied no and kept heading towards Vybor. I met Oisin and Kenji, and some other people and we talked for a few minutes as we knew eachother IC. When I told them some people had come rushing past me, Oisin said they had pointed guns at him a short while ago (mentioned nothing about any sort of initiation/robbery). He asked me to take me to where I met the people, and I led Oision and two(?) other guys to Kabanino. We spotted a few guys down the road and the OP approached me and we started trading as seen in his video. At this point I thought Oisin and the guys might initiate or start some hostile RP, but they already had KoS rights (that I didn't know about). Oisin kills the OP as we're trading, I was surprised and reacted by running away into the barn compound. OP's friends started shooting at me, so I crouched and put my hands up. A second after putting my hands up I was gunned down.

I'd like to point out that during all this time I had no idea that Oisin and his group had KoS rights on the OP and his friends, and that all my weapons remained holstered during the situation. I was no threat to OP and his friend and was gunned down with my hands on my head.

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  • Sapphire

Full video evidence from Oisins POV

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Looks like you've got the wrong guy. You thought I was somebody else and rather than initiate to discover that you were wrong, you chose to execute me with no warning whatsoever.

You thought you identified me by my M4. I looked nothing like your two attackers; one wearing a ball cap with an M65 jacket and the other wearing a ballistic helmet with a wrapped SVD. I was wearing a brown hunting jacket with a cowboy hat. Also, our voices don't sound similar. Not sure why you were so confident after you heard me say "Hey there."

Event in Kabanino starts at 18:00. As for Garbo's involvement, he was clearly a part of their group when choosing to escort them back in to the area where they believed "robbers" were. That opens him up to potentially hostile roleplay that was ultimately *forced* by the wrongful initiation/KOS.

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The third member you see in the video is our buddy stone, I cant remember which name he was going by at the current time (maybe Rick Willis was IGN). but that's who it was. Eli was on the other side of town rping with others he had met, he was NEVER part of that robbery.

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xNomad (Eli) was in town in Vybor and he had nothing to do with the initiation. It was Bo Wang and me who were initiating on the two people who were trailing us when we tried to leave. When we were going to release them, we told Stone to haul ass up here and start running.

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  • Titanium

Calling Rick Willis to this report for their point of view

They have 24 hours to respond otherwise they will be temporarily banned from the servers.

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  • Emerald

Rick Willis POV: Yes I was with Bo wang, Andrew, and Eli when this event happened.

Could you please provide us a full and detailed description of the event.

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  • Emerald

Verdict:

 

Oisin OConnor - Kill on Sight - Guilty

 


 

Reason:

 

We as staff have looked at all sides of the evidence provided and have come to a conclusion regarding this case.

After reviewing both of video's that have been provided the accused is found guilty of KoS. During the situation the accused miss identified his target and risked KoS with that.

Kos:

You ran into a person you assumed to be one of the people that robbed you earlier. You were not 100% sure that the person was part of the initial event but, you still decided to shoot the person instead of roleplaying with him. As your assumption was false and the person that you killed wasn't a part of the group that robbed you earlier, you miss identified him and Killed him on sight. 

Metagaming:

The video you provided has shown us that you gave your opponent's location away. You wouldn't have to be able to communicate with your allies as your hands were in the air and your radio was taken. The words "The one is just outside" (20:36) clearly show that you gave away his position. After your death you gave away the location of your death, the location of your enemies and you confirmed how many targets you killed. Even something as small as a description of someone after your death is considered Meta-Gaming that's why we believe you are guilty of that factor.

To the OP:

Roaming around with a group that knows that someone has KoS rights on them is a risk. As the accused didn't see you with them but only saw you as one of the robbers he miss identified you. For example: If person A and B decide to rob person C, person C gains the KoS rights on both A and B. After the event A and B decide to meet up with person D. Person C sees A, B and D together and decides to shoot at them. Technically person D gains KoS rights on person C while person C never gained KoS rights on person D. Hiding behind this rule will be considered rule play and is not allowed. If you are involved in a hostile situation it's your responsibility to let your companions know that a revenge action could be taken.

With the above stated the following applies:

 


 

Outcome:

 

Oisin Oconnor- Kill on Sight (KoS) - 7 days + 10 points

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