RDM / Ruleplay over RP / Bad RP

[Methias]

Server and location: S1 NWAF Tents

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 12/11/2015 19:33

Daytime or Night-time: Night

Your in game name: Harry Wells

Names of allies involved: Charli Thorne

Name/Skin of suspect/s: Nick Church / Welden Deegan

 

Suspects weapon/s: Pistol

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):

Detailed description of the events:

Charli and myself are Rp'ing in the tents having a picnic when we are approached by Nick and Welden . They are very confusing with what they are saying to us and begin to ask if we have a radio, they then ask us how many friends we have on the frequency, they then begin to "bandit dance" followed by a messy initiation with "crossed wired" demands. One says this isnt a robbery then the other says it is.. one says no one is going to be harmed then the other threatens to kill us. Charli and myself are utterly confused at this point to what is going on. I continually ask them what is the meaning of the "situation" with no real clarification. Then they proceed to go thru our gear and take Charli's gun providing minimal to no RP thru out. I ask whats going on and am shot for it.. I posed no threat from start to finish .. I was in no way hostile .. executing me in the manner that they did is in my opinion Ruleplay over Roleplay which completely ended all chances of RP for and from myself.

[Autumn]

Kill Logs:

20:43:21 | "Harry Wells(uid=) was KILLED by Welden Deegan(uid=)."

Hit Logs:

20:43:21 | "Welden Deegan(uid=) SHOT Harry Wells(uid=) by 1911 into head."
20:43:21 | "Harry Wells(uid=) STATUS S::8932.71 B::4500 H::4778 HP::0."

Chat Logs:

20:40:57 | Chat("Harry Wells"(id=)): /take it

20:41:17 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): // yes
20:42:08 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): //GLITCH won't drop
20:50:31 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): //no
20:50:59 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): // go to colony channel on ts and talk to him
20:52:16 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): //I can get it
21:16:25 | Chat("Charli Thorne"(id=)): //yes

20:38:03 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // SORRY BOUT THT
20:38:13 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // door bell
20:40:38 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): ** CHECKS FOR RADIO **
20:40:42 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // do i find one
20:40:58 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): ** Checks for radio **
20:41:02 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // do i find one
20:41:17 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): ** Takes radio **
20:41:25 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): ** TAKES RADIO **
20:42:12 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // KK 
20:42:17 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // DONT USE IT AGINST US
20:50:18 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // u can talk to us on room 8
20:50:26 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // u know how to break out?
20:52:05 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // u know how?
20:52:24 | Chat("Nick Church"(id=)): // ok well if u need wil come

20:41:31 | Chat("Welden Deegan"(id=)): //no more ts for you lol
20:50:34 | Chat("Welden Deegan"(id=)): //so we can get it all sorted out
20:50:39 | Chat("Welden Deegan"(id=)): //i feel bad 

Disconnect/Connect Logs:

20:14:24 | Player "Harry Wells" is connected (id=)
20:44:39 | Player "Harry Wells"(id=) has been disconnected

20:17:26 | Player "Nick Church" is connected (id=)
21:44:36 | Player "Nick Church"(id=) has been disconnected

20:26:08 | Player "Welden Deegan" is connected (id=)
21:37:33 | Player "Welden Deegan"(id=) has been disconnected

Calling Welden Deegan and Nick Church to this report to give their PoV's

[Guest DrPringles]

Me and Welden were at NWAF when i heard people at the tents so I went to investigate. We searched and later saw a man go into a tent I went to say hello me and Welden go up and ask them what their doing and if they need anything. We have small talk and we decided to initiate. We took there radios and told them not to talk the female comply's while the man begins to disobey are commands of not talking because he stated they had lots of friends in the area so we gave him three warning to stop talking and after are forth or fifth warning Welden shoots the man. We then took the girl to the woods like we planned to do with the man before all that happened went down and we did what we planned which wasen't planned to rob her but since we killed her friend we took her gun and ammo. I'd like to state that i feel the man had no value for his life after repeatedly disobeying are commands with two guns in his face.

[Welden]

Me and pringles were at nwaf looking at tents for gear.Pringles heard a guy so he went to go say hi.I came to say hello too and to meet them.Then we decided to hold them up (initiate) but weren't going to take any of there gear. we told the guy and girl not to talk. The girl complied but the boy didn't. so I decided to shoot him because he was not complying.So we took her to the woods and tied her up.We took her gun and ammo and mask.But we gave her some extra food.And told her to break out. And run back to the nwaf. I'd like to say he kept talking after we warned him many times not to talk so.It seemed he had no value for his life.

[Terra]

Watching the video you have never asked if they have people in the area. You have only asked if they have friends as a general questions and you asked if they have a radio and how many people are on the frequency.

At 3min 58 seconds:

"do you have any friends"

"yeah, we have lot´s of friends"

At 4min 7 seconds:

"Do you have a radio"

"yeah, we have a radio"

At 4min 26 seconds

"How many people are on that frequnecy"

"Quiete a few, why?"

Telling your hostage to shut up twice and then killing him, who was unarmed and fully compliant to your different demands, did take the opportunity for great Roleplay away. At this stage I fail to see why the OP had to die. Killing the OP for asking for clarifiaction seems to be a very weak reason.

You make it sound like he was constantly talking back when the video shows otherwise.

You claim no value for life by the OP, while the hostage did everything you wanted. He was no threat, not to any time. He got killed for the question "why are you doing this". He asked this before and you both went quiet ingame.

All he asked for was clarification after they got different information (Not a robbery, robbery, we kill you, we will kill her) and I would like to know the same.

What was the reason for this robbery and why exactly do you think it was alright to Kill the hostage?

I call in Charli Thorne to give her PoV.

[Methias]

Your demands and statements during this "robbery" were all so unclear. I was told no one would be hurt.. I was told this was not a robbery.. I was told to shut up a.k.a "dont RP". I wouldnt of minded being quiet if you guys were Rp'ing but you were more concerned about going through my backpack.. That is the only reason I talked. As for NVFL I was told over and over by one of you that no one was to be hurt here. I wasn't antagonizing any of you nor was I hostile.

Also I would like to add that in TS afterwards the 2 accused came to our channel and admitted they did wrong,Their stories changed dramatically varying from "I didnt know the gun was loaded" to "This is my first time killing someone" but almost always ended in them admitting they were wrong. This was infront of myself and other members of the colony including Majkel.

Will not be replying now unless asked to do so by Staff.

[mizztakn]

Harry and I were at the tents in NWAF having a picnic as we found a box of cereal. The next thing we know we are being questioned by two strangers to whether we have a radio and how many friends we had on the frequency. I let Harry do the talking as my char is very cautious and shy around new people especially strangers. They begin to strafe side to side in the oh too familiar fashion that happens prior to an engagement. They continue this "dance" while asking us about radios and how it scares them if people are watching them from the bushes etc.. They then aim guns at us and each of them shout out different demands and consequences which was all  very confusing. We put our hands up and comply. Harry and I are both confused as to what is going on , which leads Harry to ask for clarity on the situation but it falls on deaf ears.  After a short wait he asks again but is told to shut up. Still unclear on what is happening, he asks (to what my knowledge was the third time) whats going on and is subsequently shot for it, cutting off any further RP. They then take me to the woods and tie me up ,take my gun and leave.

[Spartan]

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DrPringles and Welden, please answer Terra's question;

What was the reason for this robbery and why exactly do you think it was alright to Kill the hostage? 

[Welden]

We weren't going to rob them but then said that they had friends around.So we got worried that there friends were gonna try and rob us. So we decided to tell them to put there hands up and not to talk so there friends could not find us.He speaks again and I shoot him because he wasn't complying.We were going to let them talk when we relocated.So there friends could not find us.I know it was poor rp. But when you have two guys in your face with guns you should comply and not talk.So to answer your question I kill him because he was not complying.

[Wendsill]

We weren't going to rob them but then said that they had friends around.So we got worried that there friends were gonna try and rob us. So we decided to tell them to put there hands up and not to talk so there friends could not find us.He speaks again and I shoot him because he wasn't complying.We were going to let them talk when we relocated.So there friends could not find us.I know it was poor rp. But when you have two guys in your face with guns you should comply and not talk.So to answer your question I kill him because he was not complying.

He was complying to every demand you made, but you and your friend were giving your victims conflicting information. Not a robbery, a robbery, we kill you, we let you live. Your demands were thus not clear and all the victim wanted was clarification to the demands you made. Instead of giving him that information and thus roleplay, you decided to kill him and end all potential roleplay. I'm glad you yourself think that you delivered BadRP from your side.

Some more questions:

If this was not a robbery why did you take stuff from the girl?

Why is this statement fundementally different then your previous one?

[Methias]

"We weren't going to rob them  [*1] but then said that they had friends around.So we got worried that there friends were gonna try and rob us. So we decided to tell them to put there hands up and not to talk so there friends could not find us.He speaks again and [*2] I shoot him because he wasn't complying.We were going to let them talk when we relocated.So there friends could not find us.I know it was poor rp. But when you have two guys in your face with guns you should comply and not talk.So to answer your question I kill him because he was not complying. "

[*1] - Where in the video provided did I say we had friends around? Where did we make you feel you were going to be robbed?

[*2] - I was complying and also asking for clarity of your unclear demands so that I could comply further. Did I have a gun? no you disarmed me. Was I that much of a threat to leave alive? could you not of shot me in the leg or hit me to make the point?

[Conor]

Verdict:

Welden Deegan: Aggravated BadRP - Guilty

Nick Church: BadRP - Guilty

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Reason:

During this whole situation, the RolePlay was extremely lackluster. Once you had initiated on the OP and his friend you continued to tell him that you were not robbing them whilst you searched through some of their belongings.

When the OP attempted to Roleplay with you both, he was only met with you telling him to be quiet and not say a word. The purpose of this community is to provide a platform where everyone can experience enjoyable RolePlay. In order for this to take place, everyone must provide the Roleplay for the people they interact with. Telling people to shut up and not say a word, is not enjoyable Roleplay. It is BadRP.

Welden's killing of the OP was RDM. The OP was not a threat at all, he was fully compliant. He was shot for trying to roleplay. Both of you had conflicting stories that you were telling in the situation. One says it's a robbery, the other says it's not. One says "We'll kill you" whilst the other says that you are not going to kill the victims. When the OP tries to make sense of this situation and get some clarification on what was actually happening, he was shot dead.

Shooting him destroyed any chance for further RolePlay to take place. The killing of the OP was completely invalid and is why Welden is receiving an aggravated punishment.

Throughout this report, both of you have been extremely withdrawn when it comes to answering questions from staff and in your PoVs you seem to try to blame the OP for your actions instead of admitting your own faults.

Dr.Pringles: You have been in this community for an extremely short amount of time. Since then you have been found guilty in three reports (including this one). You would have been found guilty in an additional three reports however they were closed before a verdict was reached. This history combined with the actions in this report (both in-game actions and the statements you have posted) show us that you clearly have no understanding of our rules. Due to this, we will be revoking your whitelist. In order to play on our servers again, you will need to complete the whitelisting process again.

With the above stated, the following applies

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Outcome:

Welden Deegan:  Aggravated BadRP - 7 Day Ban + 1 Banstrike

Nick Church:  Aggravated BadRP - 5 Day Ban + 1 Banstrike + Whitelist revoked