Question regarding warning shots

[Thumper]

This report verdict:  http://www.dayzrp.com/t-Bad-RP--75168?pid=1288982#pid1288982

Seing that the video wasnt made public we have no sense of reference to why warning shots after a valid initiation constitute RDM. If I initiate,  state demands and they are not being followed in a timely manner, fire warning shots to show I mean business, and my victims runs and gets shot, its RDM? Just seeking clarification because thats how it looks.

[Jetwells]

I agree with this, I dont understand why warning shots are classed as RDM. Its a valid scare tactic in my eyes to get people to follow demands. If its just random shots, thats attempted RDM, But warning shots to scare someone? Fitting with the scenario, how can this be classed as attempted RDM? Not just based from thumpers question on the report. But does this mean any form of "Warning" shot is RDM/Attempted? I thought realism was the aim of a roleplay server. Scare tactics include warning shots.

[Thumper]

Warning shots after a valid initiation were always classed as legit, depending on time frame. Before the initiation is a major no no.

[Guest Mak]

Warning shots after a valid initiation were always classed as legit, depending on time frame. Before the initiation is a major no no.

I can assure that prior to the initiation itself we never fired warning shots; I actually didn't even know we had fired warning shots at all, we all started shooting when the guys started sprinting away from what I can remember...

[Roman]

I agree with this, I dont understand why warning shots are classed as RDM. Its a valid scare tactic in my eyes to get people to follow demands. If its just random shots, thats attempted RDM, But warning shots to scare someone? Fitting with the scenario, how can this be classed as attempted RDM? Not just based from thumpers question on the report. But does this mean any form of "Warning" shot is RDM/Attempted? I thought realism was the aim of a roleplay server. Scare tactics include warning shots.

There is no such thing as "warning shots".

All shots directed at a player grants them KOS rights and if you then kill them after non compliance because of that warning shot it classifies as RDM.

Yes we aim for realism to a certain extent. Just because it is realistic that I'm a serial killer that doesn't give me the right to go on a murder spree now does it?

If you want to go and kill people without rules then there is several public servers.

[AndreyQ]

As stated in the verdict itself, the warning shots came immediately after the initiation (around 1 second after). In the situation you described above the people you are firing the warning shots at are non-complying. As for the situation in the report mentioned, the people were just standing in the middle of the field and started to run only after the shots were fired.

As for the video, it is not up to me to post that. It was send in private by the accused, therefore if he feels like posting in, then he has all the rights to do so.

[Guest Mak]

It's like if I shot next to an hostage's head to scare him and then got banned for execution of a compliant hostage...

[Jetwells]

But I initiate on a man, He looks asif he isnt going to comply or takes his time to do so, So i fire a few rounds past his head to show him i mean business, He then complies. Would this still be attempted RDM? I fail to see where it says i wanted to go kill people. Infact, Im quite appalled by that response. So forgot it.

[Roman]

Don't shoot "warning shots", easy solution.

[Thumper]

I agree with this, I dont understand why warning shots are classed as RDM. Its a valid scare tactic in my eyes to get people to follow demands. If its just random shots, thats attempted RDM, But warning shots to scare someone? Fitting with the scenario, how can this be classed as attempted RDM? Not just based from thumpers question on the report. But does this mean any form of "Warning" shot is RDM/Attempted? I thought realism was the aim of a roleplay server. Scare tactics include warning shots.

There is no such thing as "warning shots".

All shots directed at a player grants them KOS rights and if you then kill them after non compliance because of that warning shot it classifies as RDM.

Yes we aim for realism to a certain extent. Just because it is realistic that I'm a serial killer that doesn't give me the right to go on a murder spree now does it?

If you want to go and kill people without rules then there is several public servers.

This makes absolutely no sense. 

So even if they are noncompliant, stalling or whatever, warning shots to get their attention will be classed as RDM?

[Roman]

This makes absolutely no sense. 

So even if they are noncompliant, stalling or whatever, warning shots to get their attention will be classed as RDM?

If they are non compliant after a timely manner you then gain KOS rights on them so then it doesn't matter if you shot a "warning shot".

In that situation it would be better to do just that then to kill them.

But this thread brought up a specific report where the "warning shot" was made after 1 second.

[AndreyQ]

This makes absolutely no sense. 

So even if they are noncompliant, stalling or whatever, warning shots to get their attention will be classed as RDM?

Warning shots do not exist. You can call them that but in the end they are just like any other shots you fire.

If you are shooting near non-compliant people to scare them then it is not Attempted RDM as you have KoS rights on them.

If you are shooting near compliant / random people to scare them / grab their attention then it is Attempted  RDM as you have no KoS rights on them.

[Thumper]

This makes absolutely no sense. 

So even if they are noncompliant, stalling or whatever, warning shots to get their attention will be classed as RDM?

If they are non compliant after timely manner you then gain KOS rights on them so then it doesn't matter if you shot a "warning shot".

In that situation it would be better to do just that then to kill them.

But this thread brought up a specific report where the "warning shot" was made after 1 second.

Thats the clarification I was seeking, as the verict did not specify time. Nor was the video made public so we would know exactly what would be classified as RDM.

[Guest]

So the better thing to do, from what i'm reading by staff's posts, is don't shoot warning shots and instead just kill the uncompliant hostage. So I don't break any rules?

[Roman]

Thats the clarification I was seeking, as the verict did not specify time. Nor was the video made public so we would know exactly what would be classified as RDM.

I'm glad we could assist you with an answer.

Marking this as /solved.

[Guest]

Can't snip above post, just read the other replies just above...

[Roman]

So the better thing to do, from what i'm reading by staff's posts, is don't shoot warning shots and instead just kill the uncompliant hostage. So I don't break any rules?

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from our posts at all.

I even state in my post that "In that situation it would be better to do just that then to kill them."

Staff always promote the idea that "just because you have KOS rights doesn't mean that you have to use them".

So a "warning shot" after non-compliance which give you KOS rights would be preferable.

Edit:

Didn't see your second post before posting.