Question on Dynamic Groups

[Jetwells]

If I join a server and my friends are on the same server, Does this mean I am automatically in the same dynamic group? 

Do I need to meet them in-game for them to be a part of the dynamic or because i am in TS with them does that mean i automatically am in the dynamic group?

What grants me KoS rights with my group? Do i need to have them re-initiate for me without making contact with them IG? Or because im in TS, does this not matter?

I would like some clarification on this specific rule.

[Guest]

if you are rolling around in game and in Teamspeak with a group of friends, let say I was in Teamspeak and playing IG and talking to Tucker and RedSky.

that would mean they are in my dynamic group.

a group is basically a group of people who roll around in game, sometimes this type of groups can be used in Teamspeak. let say I logged in to help Jacob Page to initiate because I gain information over TS that would mean I'm in his dynamic group. if Brodie joins my Teamspeak and he is playing IG, he can be considered my dynamic group.

there's a hundred and one ways to form a dynamic group under many circumstances.

if you are within 500m of your dynamic group initiating on someone you have KOS rights. if you aren't within a 500m radius of the location, you have to re initiate

TS can often be considered an in game radio chatter, you can gain the knowledge that your dynamic is initiating on someone if they tell you the location, and the situation. however if they relay the information after they are dead, it is counted as metagaming, as NLR applies.

Hope my explanation is clear enough, feel free to ask anymore questions

[Jetwells]

My interpretation of Dynamic groups was that I had to make IC contact with them at that time. Not be able to just merely hop into someones TS, and then in game and automatically be classed as part of that group. I still thought contact had to be made with your "Group".

If this is the case and i can simply hop into TS and be classed as "Dynamic" that totally defeats the purpose of having a Dynamic group. But if that is the case, then it does clear some things up. Like i stated, i always understood it as me having to make IC contact with them at that time.

[Storm]

You will have to make IG contact with the people in order to be part of their dynamic group. If they get initiated on before you make contact, you will have to reinitiate when you make contact. Being in their comms channel doesnt grant you KOS if you haven't even met them IG yet.

If you're within 500 of the others within your comms, but you haven't met them yet, you MUST re-initiate if others in your comms have been initiated on.

[Jetwells]

So, That means IC contact MUST be made to be classed as part of the Dynamic group? TS and all other sorts of communication are irrelevant?

The main reason behind this question was i have noticed through reports and such, that people seem to think that being in TS or the Group on the forums automatically means your in the Dynamic group. My understanding has been that you always must make IC contact with them. Staff seem to have overlooked or not noticed these incidents before. What rule break would this be classed as then? Or would it depend on the actions of what happened from this?

I just dislike the fact that people feel they can simply help group friends without being IC together at all that day.

This can be solved if this is correct. I feel the question has been answered to my understanding, Thanks Storm and Kenny.

[Storm]

So, That means IC contact MUST be made to be classed as part of the Dynamic group? TS and all other sorts of communication are irrelevant?

The main reason behind this question was i have noticed through reports and such, that people seem to think that being in TS or the Group on the forums automatically means your in the Dynamic group. My understanding has been that you always must make IC contact with them. Staff seem to have overlooked or not noticed these incidents before. What rule break would this be classed as then? Or would it depend on the actions of what happened from this?

I just dislike the fact that people feel they can simply help group friends without being IC together at all that day.

This can be solved if this is correct. I feel the question has been answered to my understanding, Thanks Storm and Kenny.

Basically, they can call for help over the radio, but if you aren't part of their dynamic group at that time, you must reinitiate.

[Jetwells]

Thanks for clarifying this.

[Chow]

Glad you got your answer, i will mark this as /Solved

[Johnny]

You will have to make IG contact with the people in order to be part of their dynamic group. If they get initiated on before you make contact, you will have to reinitiate when you make contact. Being in their comms channel doesnt grant you KOS if you haven't even met them IG yet.

If you're within 500 of the others within your comms, but you haven't met them yet, you MUST re-initiate if others in your comms have been initiated on.

Storm can you please show me where it says you must make physical contact IG to be in a dynamic group? Because lets play through this scenario.  I spawned in Guglovo and i'm headed to Stary to meet up with my group. As i'm passing through Novy I hear a group that we have been hunting for a time and want to take them hostage due to the past. So i call all my friends over via the radio and they surround the area. I then proceed to initiate and a small fight breaks out. Now are you saying every one of my members that I have not physically met IG do not have KOS at this point? that seems a tad silly to me and not correct.

[AndreyQ]

Storm can you please show me where it says you must make physical contact IG to be in a dynamic group? Because lets play through this scenario.  I spawned in Guglovo and i'm headed to Stary to meet up with my group. As i'm passing through Novy I hear a group that we have been hunting for a time and want to take them hostage due to the past. So i call all my friends over via the radio and they surround the area. I then proceed to initiate and a small fight breaks out. Now are you saying every one of my members that I have not physically met IG do not have KOS at this point? that seems a tad silly to me and not correct.

Well that is the difference between a dynamic group and a official group. So in the situation you have described your fellow clan mates would actually be able to help you as they are part of your official group.

[Johnny]

Well that is the difference between a dynamic group and a official group. So in the situation you have described your fellow clan mates would actually be able to help you as they are part of your official group.

So we treat Dynamic Group (Aka groups that have not been approve on the forums) and official groups differently IG? I was always told the only differences was one had a forum page and a TS and the other didn't.

[Storm]

Well that is the difference between a dynamic group and a official group. So in the situation you have described your fellow clan mates would actually be able to help you as they are part of your official group.

So we treat Dynamic Group (Aka groups that have not been approve on the forums) and official groups differently IG? I was always told the only differences was one had a forum page and a TS and the other didn't.

A dynamic group is not a dynamic group until you meet up with that person IG. Hence why you need to re-initiate. You used to gain KOS rights, but this fell under the Good Samaritan rule which is no longer in effect.

[Johnny]

A dynamic group is not a dynamic group until you meet up with that person IG. Hence why you need to re-initiate. You used to gain KOS rights, but this fell under the Good Samaritan rule which is no longer in effect.

I'll address you when AndreyQ clears up what he said so that I don't stumble over myself.

[AndreyQ]

So we treat Dynamic Group (Aka groups that have not been approve on the forums) and official groups differently IG? I was always told the only differences was one had a forum page and a TS and the other didn't.

Alrighty, so official groups do have the advantage that they do not have to meet IG in order to become a dynamic group. However, people from unofficial groups (Group ideas if that was what you were refering too) along side any other people have to meet IG before becoming a dynamic group and sharing KoS rights.

[Jetwells]

Alrighty, so official groups do have the advantage that they do not have to meet IG in order to become a dynamic group. However, people from unofficial groups (Group ideas if that was what you were refering too) along side any other people have to meet IG before becoming a dynamic group and sharing KoS rights.

Thats unfair and biased, Most official groups have "Larger" Numbers, Whereas a small group of individuals who choose to play together over creating an "Official" group, when i dont even understand how half of them are even "Official". How is this fair within the community to have one set of rules that dont effect others because of a "Status" on the forums? I suggest a revamp of the rule if this is the case. Why should "Official" groups have an advantage?

[Chris]

Alrighty, so official groups do have the advantage that they do not have to meet IG in order to become a dynamic group. However, people from unofficial groups (Group ideas if that was what you were refering too) along side any other people have to meet IG before becoming a dynamic group and sharing KoS rights.

Thats unfair and biased, Most official groups have "Larger" Numbers, Whereas a small group of individuals who choose to play together over creating an "Official" group, when i dont even understand how half of them are even "Official". How is this fair within the community to have one set of rules that dont effect others because of a "Status" on the forums? I suggest a revamp of the rule if this is the case. Why should "Official" groups have an advantage?

Because otherwise it is far too easy to abuse the passing of KOS rights.  Limiting the passing of KOS rights to "official groups only" limits the number of server wide man-hunts, and reduces the number of mistakes/KOS/RDM incidents.  I believe it is also supposed to represent the fact that "Official" groups are approved and fit the lore, and are supposed to have a larger impact on the RP history of the server.

[Jetwells]

But that's the thing then, it's far too easy for these "Official" groups to gain KOS and use them. It should be restricted strictly to an IC meeting. Not one or the other. You say it's for the impact and RP but it's all for KOS rights. I thought the whole dynamic group thing was to prevent the mass KOS rights that we all know everyone blatantly uses. Advantages for someone in an official group makes no sense. Why can't one man have an effect on the servers history? There wouldn't be as many groups running about as there is. After all it is a game, but we are here to role play, not gain KOS. I for one at one point was going to create a purely IC group. Should I be at a disadvantage to official groups because that's how I wish to play? I shouldn't have to adapt my style to gain the same advantage groups seem to have.

[Chris]

That is how the server has been for 3+ years now. Many times the community has voted to make IC radios the only method of communication, disallow TS, etc. But it has never passed. Simply put, the majority of people don't want to play the game like that.

I for one at one point was going to create a purely IC group. Should I be at a disadvantage to official groups because that's how I wish to play? I shouldn't have to adapt my style to gain the same advantage groups seem to have.

If you choose to play in that fashion, then yes, you are limiting yourself. We are here to roleplay, but KOS rights can be just as much a part of an authentic roleplaying experience as sitting around a campfire can.

[Jetwells]

I never mentioned anything about restricting TS, or making it only be IC radios. What im stating is that i believe it is very biased towards "Official" groups. Why should they have that extra advantage to not have to join a dynamic group? To me dynamic groups are so you don't have them extra 10 men you called in via TS to come and help you immediately, Not even showing there face but then you getting your "Group" to initiate for you so you have "KOS". What roleplay do you see from that?

My suggestion promotes role-play, Not the use of KoS rights, Which is why people seem to oppose ideas such as these.

And the way you say im limiting myself, Are you are saying i should not try to provide unique RP and follow the clique, create an official group so i can gain KoS rights without having to be apart of the dynamic group, therefore not having a disadvantage?

To boil it down to it, its this.

Why can a group that is "Official" now not have to follow the same rules as every other member of the community who is not apart of an "Official" group?

Why cant these groups that use the "Offical" group status, with the fact they clearly have the upper hand by being in an automatic "Dynamic" group, Promote more role-play by actually making contact with your fellow group members in game?

I thought "Exceptions" to rules did not happen here? Having two rules for nothing more than joining a group on the forums is an exception to this rule. And one that i strongly disagree with. I shall be posting a discussion thread tomorrow with a poll, Possibly a suggestion thread. As this is something that i feel needs to be discussed within the community.

Thanks for the discussion and opinions Chris.

[Thumper]

So we treat Dynamic Group (Aka groups that have not been approve on the forums) and official groups differently IG? I was always told the only differences was one had a forum page and a TS and the other didn't.

Alrighty, so official groups do have the advantage that they do not have to meet IG in order to become a dynamic group. However, people from unofficial groups (Group ideas if that was what you were refering too) along side any other people have to meet IG before becoming a dynamic group and sharing KoS rights.

Can you show instances in reports or in the rules page where this was made offical?  Cause as far as i read, 500m is 500m dynamic or offical.

There is absolutely  no way to enforce this unwritten rule.

[AndreyQ]

Can you show instances in reports or in the rules page where this was made offical?  Cause as far as i read, 500m is 500m dynamic or offical.

There is absolutely  no way to enforce this unwritten rule.

Here is a verdict where it was stated clear: http://www.dayzrp.com/t-PoV-Permanent--72612?pid=1241583#pid1241583

[Thumper]

Can you show instances in reports or in the rules page where this was made offical?  Cause as far as i read, 500m is 500m dynamic or offical.

There is absolutely  no way to enforce this unwritten rule.

Here is a verdict where it was stated clear: http://www.dayzrp.com/t-PoV-Permanent--72612?pid=1241583#pid1241583

Thank you.  I can agree with being so far apart and not meeting. But what distance do people playing together have to maintain to be dynamic? If 500m as the rule states isnt enough, then the rule is invalid in that verdict. 

Thy have to meet up in 5m, 10m 100m? What if they meet up in a large city like Novo?

[Nolan]

Would it count as meeting up 'IC' if members of a non-official, dynamic group contacted each other through the radios ingame? I can't see why not, it's just as in-character as meeting up with them in person.

[Jetwells]

Here is a verdict where it was stated clear: http://www.dayzrp.com/t-PoV-Permanent--72612?pid=1241583#pid1241583

You are friends in and out of character and were in TeamSpeak planning to meet up. Until you actually meet in-game however, you are not a dynamic group, you are simply to friends who are planning to meet up.

Although you might have been within 500m at the time of the initiation, you were not in either a dynamic group (one formed in-game through interaction) or an official approved group (one listed on the forums in the groups section).

So, Now another question. Does a dynamic group end when you leave the server or can it continue if you are in contact over TS like nolan stated? Would you have to meet up every time you join a server to be part of said dynamic group? If not, what is the timescale when you are apart before you are classed as not being apart of the same dynamic group?

[Nolan]

Here is a verdict where it was stated clear: http://www.dayzrp.com/t-PoV-Permanent--72612?pid=1241583#pid1241583

You are friends in and out of character and were in TeamSpeak planning to meet up. Until you actually meet in-game however, you are not a dynamic group, you are simply to friends who are planning to meet up.

Although you might have been within 500m at the time of the initiation, you were not in either a dynamic group (one formed in-game through interaction) or an official approved group (one listed on the forums in the groups section).

So, Now another question. Does a dynamic group end when you leave the server or can it continue if you are in contact over TS like nolan stated? Would you have to meet up every time you join a server to be part of said dynamic group? If not, what is the timescale when you are apart before you are classed as not being apart of the same dynamic group?

I actually meant through ingame walkie-talkies, rather than teamspeak comms, as those are always used in character. Not sure if you meant me or somebody else though.