Poor Reason For KOS / No Initiation

[Guest Mr Boonie]

Server and location: 

S1 Vybor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 

10:12 EST 11/7/2015

Daytime or Night-time: 

Night

Your in game name: 

Hunter Williams

Names of allies involved: 

The Insurgents (NO POV's From Any Other Memebers)

Name/Skin of suspect/s: 

Logs will show

Suspects weapon/s: 

Logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): 

N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Uploading ATM (30 Minutes)

Detailed description of the events:

Me and my group were headed to Vybor, we run into the industrial side of Vybor and one of my members stumbles upon a person and starts to talk with him. I walk up don't say a single word and check his pulse (Just knowledge basis possible reports ETC) and then proceed to move to get ontop of factory my boys agree to initate on them but i remain on the factory aiming my gun to get a better view truly. The point of this report is that this group who killed me didn't have ANY form of proof I was in the group with the people initiating down below, and ALSO stated to me in teamspeak that "you were in a dynamic group with them correct?" If I was or wasn't HOW DID YOU KNOW, how did you know I wasn't just a random looking onto what is going on? Your group saw 4 guys great does that mean I am apart of them not at all. NO PROOF, other than metagaming that is.

Side Note: Hellish a moderator for dayzrp mentioned to me if I try and close this report he will ENSURE that it gets re-opened. Kinda abusing power or flaunting his power in my mind when stating that. (No Video Proof Of That Unfortunately.)

[DarkSide]

Plot twist I only have a video of after I logged in to fix a glitch.

I don't understand how this is false KOS? We took a educated guess on you and you were apart of the group that robbed Hell and were in a dynamic group.

[Hellish]

POV: 4 people walk up to me in Vybor industrial. I knew it was fishy so I told my guys on the radio that I had guys surrounding me then the girl initiated. I said they initiated then put my hands up then they took my radio handcuffed me and moved me into the sewing building. My guys came up as they were in the area and killed Mr.Boonie and took the rest hostage. As for the side note I said that I would push the report if you tried to close it not re-open it as I can't do that anyways. I also thought this report wouldn't be put up for the following reason... <22:26:58> "MrBoonie": Listen man you know not ACTUALLY knowing and just guessing is not a valid reason to kill me on sight just cause im aiming a weapon. I'm not going to make the report for the sole reason I don't think it will go through due to the fact you are a MOD and you will probably get a slap on the wrist. Watch what your boys do from now on thanks goodnight.

[Guest Mr Boonie]

An educated guess doesn't give a reasonable excuse to KOS somebody it's still a "guess" . I won't be responding to any further responses unless a staff member requires me to.

[Nightngale]

We were moving around Vybor Military, when Hellish tells us he is surrounded by numerous people. So we get into position at the cross-roads and wait to see what happens. After a few minutes of sitting around, Hellish informs us that he has been initiated on so we move in. When we get to industrial we see three people interrogating and moving Hellish into the sewing factory. We also spot one guy on the factory roof pointing a weapon (YOU). After seeing you on the roof and pointing a weapon at Hellish, Johnny takes aim and kills you. We then initiate on the people inside the building, they come out, and we torture/interrogate them.

You were a part of the dynamic group that initiated on Hellish and were pointing a weapon at him. Just because you did not initiate yourself does not mean we did not have KoS on you.

I would like to mention that we told you this on TS, but you decided to ignore us and after telling Hellish no report was being made, you made one anyways. For this I will not be willing to talk this out.

[Guest Mr Boonie]

An educated guess doesn't give a reasonable excuse to KOS somebody it's still a "guess" . I won't be responding to any further responses unless a staff member requires me to.

I ALSO wasn't going to post the report without talking to an admin about the incident. Although I did state I wasn't going to post the report you are correct after getting advice from friends and speaking with staff,  your group was involved I was scared it would be passed cause you are a mod, discussed it with staff and posted it.

[AndreyQ]

Disconnection logs

03:36:30 | Player "Hunter Williams" is connected (id=)
05:08:42 | Player "Hunter Williams"(id=) has been disconnected

Hit Logs

04:14:05 | "Patrick Monteil(uid=) SHOT Hunter Williams(uid=) by AK74_Green into rightarm."
04:14:05 | "Hunter Williams(uid=) STATUS S::500 B::4500 H::4800 HP::0."
04:14:06 | "Hunter Williams(uid=) STARTS BLEEDING."
04:14:16 | "Player Hunter Williams(id=) has fallen into unconsciousness."
04:14:18 | "Patrick Monteil(uid=) SHOT Hunter Williams(uid=) by AK74_Green into pelvis."
04:14:18 | "Hunter Williams(uid=) STATUS S::2700 B::1964 H::3800 HP::0."
04:14:18 | "Patrick Monteil(uid=) SHOT Hunter Williams(uid=) by AK74_Green into pelvis."
04:14:18 | "Hunter Williams(uid=) STATUS S::4200 B::464 H::3200 HP::0."
04:14:20 | "Patrick Monteil(uid=) SHOT Hunter Williams(uid=) by AK74_Green into LeftLeg."
04:14:20 | "Hunter Williams(uid=) STATUS S::4640 B::-65 H::3000 HP::0."

Kill logs

04:14:20 | Player "Hunter Williams"(id=) has been killed by player "Patrick Monteil"(id=)

Calling Patrick Monteil to give his full pov regarding this report.

[Guest Mr Boonie]

Your group had no proof I was in a dynamic group with ANYONE other than the fact hellish saw 4 guys or you did as well, that is not substantial enough proof to prove I was with them what so ever. Put it into perspective/scenario: I am walking next to this group of 5 men and headed into a town, these 5 men imitate on someone that someone calls his pack to rescue him and then I get shot in the cross fire for walking close to them into town. Not a good excuse im sorry.

[Terra]

Your group had no proof I was in a dynamic group with ANYONE other than the fact hellish saw 4 guys or you did as well, that is not substantial enough proof to prove I was with them what so ever. Put it into perspective/scenario: I am walking next to this group of 5 men and headed into a town, these 5 men imitate on someone that someone calls his pack to rescue him and then I get shot in the cross fire for walking close to them into town. Not a good excuse im sorry.

Just to make this clear: You were in the dynamic group, yes or no?

Where do you think did they metagame from?

[Guest Mr Boonie]

I was in a group with them.

Why and where do I think they metagamed?

There is no proof AT ALL by stating oh we saw you walking with 5 people into a town that makes you a dynamic group, also without me being apart of the imitation or saying one word while being near hellish. The only way I truly believe they figured out I was apart of the group was watching the TS channel but in the end that's my opinion.

[Johnny]

Big old Johnny Denver here with my POV Hellish was initiated on by the OP and his group. We were well within 500m so I moved into position on the roof. I had eyes on their overwatch so I waited for my boys to get into position and then I took out the overwatch (The OP). Recap 1. hellish is initiated on. 2. I get eyes on the overwatch. 3. I shoot him. I don't really understand how what I did was FALSE KOS (Is that even a thing?). Also I never initiated so I don't understand how i did a "Bad initiation".

[Guest Mr Boonie]

You shot and killed me, without knowing if i truly was apart of that group you guys should've imitated on me or the captors holding your friend hostage instead of taking a "educated guess" that I am with that group. Not every time it will work in your favor problems with occur.

[Johnny]

You shot and killed me, without knowing if i truly was apart of that group you guys should've imitated on me or the captors holding your friend hostage instead of taking a "educated guess" that I am with that group. Not every time it will work in your favor problems with occur.

Mr. Boonie can you please inform me what rule I broke? As a full time professional bandit I have a good understanding of the rules and I have yet to see the rule break. You are saying I should have initiated on the overwatch of the people that just took my friend correct? So does that mean you are saying I did rule play over role play?

[Guest Mr Boonie]

It was your ASSUMPTION I was overwatch. With killing me as your group stated on this report and via TS we made an "educated guess" educated or not its still a guess... I could've been a random guy who happened to run into town next to this crew and heard bad things going down got on the tower laid flat to get a front row seat And the rule broken was that you killed me on sight under the assumption I was with this group and playing as an over watch. ALSO did not initiate on me JUST TO MAKE SURE, btw Its a guess a correct one but one that could've gone completely bad if wrong.

[Johnny]

It was your ASSUMPTION I was overwatch. With killing me as your group stated on this report and via TS we made an "educated guess" educated or not its still a guess... I could've been a random guy who happened to run into town next to this crew and heard bad things going down got on the tower laid flat to get a front row seat

I was the one that shot. Not anyone else. I don't know what they said in TS to you and I don't really care. I knew you were the overwatch and you were, end of story.

[Guest Mr Boonie]

How did you really know? Your interpretation NOT FACTS. Not responding any further till staff requires me too.

[Johnny]

Just to make sure everyone is on the same page i drew a map.

Key: Mr. Boonie is Yellow. Hellish is Green. And i'm blue. You were actively overwatching and pointing a gun down at them. There was no question in my mind you were with them. Sorry you died while robbing someone...

[Terra]

I already asked you if you were part of the group and you said yes.

Now, let me try to understand:

You were with your dynamic group and you (you = dynamic group) initiated on Hellish. You were overwatch.

You got killed as you were spotted by a member of the accused group.

They "guessed" like you said, and they guessed correct.

If you would have not been involved at all, then it would be not legit.

What rulebreak you accuse them off?

[Guest Mr Boonie]

LOL you are hysterical my friend. Drawling up a map STILL has no sign of proof you knew specifically my name or if I was affiliated in that group in any way shape or form. You could've killed a random guy you got lucky EXTREMELY lucky. You are wrong in this report.

[Terra]

LOL you are hysterical my friend. Drawling up a map STILL has no sign of proof you knew specifically my name or if I was affiliated in that group in any way shape or form. You could've killed a random guy you got lucky EXTREMELY lucky. You are wrong in this report.

Again - Even if he guessed, he was right. You where there, overwatch.

If you would have not been involved at all, then it would be not legit.

No rulebreak so far.

In this case, you are in the wrong, my friend.

What do you accuse them off?

How would you like to proceed with this report?

[Guest Mr Boonie]

The fact of the matter is that they didn't know that I was apart of that group. Just seeing me with a bunch of people MEANS im apart of that specific group? It is irrelevant if I was or wasn't in this group, it is what justified them to think its okay to KILL someone without clarifying first they (ME) are apart of this dynamic group. Clarification being RP of some sort, initiating on me. but instead they roll up and shoot cause they see a guy on a roof getting a view of a situation. Many people including myself get intrigued at drama and situations going on around them in game just like watching a movie. So having someone which at that point in time didn't know my name, didn't FULLY know i was in this group just their assumption SHOT and KILLED me because im laying flat on a building looking down on the situation and thats okay?

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So lets say next time same situation occurs and a guy is crouching in a bush looking at the ongoing situation occur..... HEY GUYS HES ONE OF THOSE GROUP MEMBERS SHOOOOOOOOT! They report it for KOS and approvals (meaning IN FAVOR of the bandit's or players who can walk the grey lines of the rules) like this happens. Disappointing. Close the report, useless at this point anyways.

[Terra]

The fact of the matter is that they didn't know that I was apart of that group. Just seeing me with a bunch of people MEANS im apart of that specific group? It is irrelevant if I was or wasn't in this group, it is what justified them to think its okay to KILL someone without clarifying first they (ME) are apart of this dynamic group. Clarification being RP of some sort, initiating on me. but instead they roll up and shoot cause they see a guy on a roof getting a view of a situation. Many people including myself get intrigued at drama and situations going on around them in game just like watching a movie. So having someone which at that point in time didn't know my name, didn't FULLY know i was in this group just their assumption SHOT and KILLED me because im laying flat on a building looking down on the situation and thats okay?

I will try to explain what I have understood so far:

You and your group initiated on a guy (Hellish) who is a part of the accused party. Hellish's friends are around and they witness the initiation. They gain KoS rights on you and your friends because they were within 500 meter of the hostile action.

They meet both requirements - They were within 500 meters and they are an official group.

The second you initiated on Hellish, they gained KoS rights on you and you friends.

You got killed in the process, as they have spotted you on the roof.

Legit kill. - You were a part of the dynamic group, involved in the robbery.

That is the risk every bandit has to take.

You want to be hostile? Be smart about how you go around it.

You do not like that you got killed AFTER YOU and YOUR GROUP were hostile towards him? Then you might want to change your play-style, because that is why it is not easy to be a bandit and it is intended that way.

The rules for Bandits are not easy, for a reason. If you do it right, you would have not been killed.

You might want to re-read the rules.

If you would not have been a part of the scenario, the kill would have been not legit.

I hope this makes it now more clear to you.

I would also like to remind you of our community rules as your attitude in this report leaves much to be desired:

Closed as requested.