Frank Ban Appeal

[Guest]

Link to the source of punishment (report/post):

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-S2-Ghosting-Green-Mountain?page=3

Why the verdict is not fair:

Because I didn't ghost or lie.

Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view:

At the beginning of the verdict Ark stated:

I mis-worded something at first so there may have been some confusion. At first I said:

I then said:

I don't understand how this is lying. I even say in the second PoV that my previous post said GM but it was the mountain itself not the compound, clearing that up now. When I said in the first I logged in at GM I meant around it not on it or in the compound.

Ark also states:

But this is also irrelevant as I was simply elaborating on my first post. I stated that as I was walking up to the compound i'm poked by chris asking for help. I did not switch servers to explicitly join this fight, I joined to roll solo and it was coincidence. 

Ark then states:

From my own ignorance I did not bring up the fact that I was halfway down the treeline when I shot him, not in the treeline, this is roughly 300 meters away from the compound itself thus decreasing the time it would have taken me to move from Pogorevka to the location where I shot him. I had 2 minutes to run about 900 meters which is COMPLETELY possible.

Lastly, he mentions the other group initiating on me here:

I was 100% initiated by what I'm now guessing to be an uninvolved party, I even stated this here earlier in the report:

The man ran away so I focused on you. 

Ark also stated in the verdict that and that your group intiates for you you however in the video evidence the OP provided neither of these thigns happen.

That is plain out wrong. In the video seen here:

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At 30 seconds ScareCrow is CLEARLY heard initiating for me once I was within the right range.

I also want to explicitly state here that IT IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES AS LONG AS YOU LOG IN OUTSIDE OF A KILOMETER AND RE-INITIATE. BOTH OF WHICH WERE DONE VALIDLY.

I understand how much of a shitstorm this report was that some people could have gotton confused. I hope you take time and consideration into the verdict as I've explained every part of the verdict and debunked it.

What would you like to achieve with this appeal:

Get my warning points removed and my IG ban also removed as i've done nothing wrong.

What could you have done better?:

Dunno, been more elaborate in my first post and explained myself completely to avoid confusion.

[Roman]

So tell me if I got this right:

You and your group are not in the same room on TS, you have no contact with them.

You are playing by yourself on another server and decide to log out at Pogorevka.

You then switch server unknowingly that your group is at Green Mountain dealing with a situation.

You log into the server and start to immediately run towards the situation.

Chris then pokes you to let you know that they are in a fire fight and need your help.

Someone then initiates on you somewhere in the forest but runs away and is not seen from again, that we know.

You then tell Chris to initiate on the compound once again since you weren't there during the original initiation and joined in after it.

You then shoot Will Rogers.

All of this happened in less then 4 minutes.

Have I mistaken something?

[Guest]

So tell me if I got this right:

You and your group are not in the same room on TS, you have no contact with them.

You are playing by yourself on another server and decide to log out at Pogorevka.

You then switch server unknowingly that your group is at Green Mountain dealing with a situation.

You log into the server and start to immediately run towards the situation.

Chris then pokes you to let you know that they are in a fire fight and need your help.

Someone then initiates on you somewhere in the forest but runs away and is not seen from again, that we know.

You then tell Chris to initiate on the compound once again since you weren't there during the original initiation and joined in after it.

You then shoot Will Rogers.

All of this happened in less then 4 minutes.

Have I mistaken something?

Yes that is all correct.

Also when you say You log into the server and start to immediately run towards the situation. I want to clarify I was going to GM to RP not go to a firefight and I was poked afterwards after I had already gotten into the treeline. I had no idea that there was a "situation" ongoing. 

[Roman]

Ok, in your first POV you state this:

"as soon as I logged in I am initiated upon by presumably? the people in the tower so I start firefighting."

This is a pretty huge contradiction to your second POV. You explanation is that you had to go to work.

Is there anything you'd like to add to that?

[Guest]

Ok, in your first POV you state this:

"as soon as I logged in I am initiated upon by presumably? the people in the tower so I start firefighting."

This is a pretty huge contradiction to your second POV. You explanation is that you had to go to work.

Is there anything you'd like to add to that?

When I said "presumably the people in the tower" I meant the people in the tower's friends as that is what I thought originally. Now that I've seen their video it's clear it was a third party.

I actually have work in an hour as well to put on the record.

[Roman]

When I said "presumably the people in the tower" I meant the people in the tower's friends as that is what I thought originally. Now that I've seen their video it's clear it was a third party.

Ok, but you state in that POV that the reason you started to firefight was because of that initiation.

That contradicts the whole story about you waiting for Chris to initiate for you before you start fighting.

So, did you take part of the fight after the initiation on you or the initiation from Chris?

[Guest]

When I said "presumably the people in the tower" I meant the people in the tower's friends as that is what I thought originally. Now that I've seen their video it's clear it was a third party.

Ok, but you state in that POV that the reason you started to firefight was because of that initiation.

That contradicts the whole story about you waiting for Chris to initiate for you before you start fighting.

So, did you take part of the fight after the initiation on you or the initiation from Chris?

After Chris initiated via voice. Like both me and staff had said that was a very dumbed down PoV. After I fleshed it out and gave the whole PoV I explained the whole thing. I was in a rush so I gave the short version.

Just to be clear I started to fire AFTER the text by them and after the initiation by Scarecrow

[Roman]

So I watched the videos and noted down some time marks.

At 3:04 you are completely logged into the game as can be seen in the player list.

Then at 4:00 (give or take 1-2 sec) your friend initiates on the compound. (if the 2 videos are indeed a continued timeline)

So within this minute you got in game, started running, got poked, switched room on ts, got initiated on and then got your friend to initiate for you.

Did I get this right?

[Guest]

So I watched the videos and noted down some time marks.

At 3:04 you are completely logged into the game as can be seen in the player list.

Then at 4:00 (give or take 1-2 sec) your friend initiates on the compound. (if the 2 videos are indeed a continued timeline)

So within this minute you got in game, started running, got poked, switched room on ts, got initiated on and then got your friend to initiate for you.

Did I get this right?

Im at work right now so i cant view the video but from what i've been told the videos are not synced as the end of the first does not have a status message and the beggining on the second does. Even with the one minute timer in perspective I only had to run about 750m to the position I was when I shot him so thats completely reasonable. We cant know the exact times as the video has been edited and we cant see truly how long I had.

[Roman]

Frank,

Could you explain a bit more what happened when you got initiated on?

Did you see him? did he say anything else? was he pointing a weapon? why didn't you follow him? why do you think he ran? did you tell your friends that you got initiated on? what did they say?

Also if you could expand a bit on this:

"I logged in, heard hostilities, ran off, and then came back to an initiation on me."

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Could you also explain why your story changed from this:

(report)

"I said I ran 1.2k to get to where I was when I shot your friend, apparently this is impossible?"

To this:

(appeal)

"Even with the one minute timer in perspective I only had to run about 750m to the position I was when I shot him"

[Guest]

Frank,

Could you explain a bit more what happened when you got initiated on?

Did you see him? did he say anything else? was he pointing a weapon? why didn't you follow him? why do you think he ran? did you tell your friends that you got initiated on? what did they say?

Also if you could expand a bit on this:

"I logged in, heard hostilities, ran off, and then came back to an initiation on me."

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Could you also explain why your story changed from this:

(report)

"I said I ran 1.2k to get to where I was when I shot your friend, apparently this is impossible?"

To this:

(appeal)

"Even with the one minute timer in perspective I only had to run about 750m to the position I was when I shot him"

Because I shot him from 350m I didn't take it into account.

Now to answer your first question of:

Also if you could expand a bit on this:

"I logged in, heard hostilities, ran off, and then came back to an initiation on me."

I logged into a small treeline around Pogorevka (in between Pogo and Rogovo), immediately heard hostilities so I ran to the GM treeline. I took my headset off for a few seconds because my father came into my room and then as I put my headset back on I was pretty much simultaneously initiated on. I shot in his direction (sprayed) because I knew the general area he was in and ran to cover, this is when Chris poked me and I switched channels to help him in the firefight. He initiated and I killed the guy in the tower.

[Roman]

I logged into a small treeline around Pogorevka (in between Pogo and Rogovo), immediately heard hostilities so I ran to the GM treeline. I took my headset off for a few seconds because my father came into my room and then as I put my headset back on I was pretty much simultaneously initiated on. I shot in his direction (sprayed) because I knew the general area he was in and ran to cover, this is when Chris poked me and I switched channels to help him in the firefight. He initiated and I killed the guy in the tower.

So you hear an initiation, sprayed towards the direction where you saw him?

You then hit for cover and get told by Chris that they need your help, so you switch TS rooms.

Did you tell the other guys that you had already been initiated on but left him to help them?

Why didn't you think it was important to follow up on someone who had just initiated on you close to the firefight that your friends were in?

Also, if you could point out where more exactly you logged in on this map:

Just pick which number that's the closest.

[Guest]

I logged into a small treeline around Pogorevka (in between Pogo and Rogovo), immediately heard hostilities so I ran to the GM treeline. I took my headset off for a few seconds because my father came into my room and then as I put my headset back on I was pretty much simultaneously initiated on. I shot in his direction (sprayed) because I knew the general area he was in and ran to cover, this is when Chris poked me and I switched channels to help him in the firefight. He initiated and I killed the guy in the tower.

So you hear an initiation, sprayed towards the direction where you saw him?

You then hit for cover and get told by Chris that they need your help, so you switch TS rooms.

Did you tell the other guys that you had already been initiated on but left him to help them?

Why didn't you think it was important to follow up on someone who had just initiated on you close to the firefight that your friends were in?

Also, if you could point out where more exactly you logged in on this map:

Just pick which number that's the closest.

Did you tell the other guys that you had already been initiated on but left him to help them? Yes

Why didn't you think it was important to follow up on someone who had just initiated on you close to the firefight that your friends were in? Because there were bigger fish to fry, 3 of my group members were trapped. I wasn't going to go on a wild goose chase for some random guy that initiated on me and started to run away in a forest.

3.

[Roman]

Is this the route you ran and stopped?:

(give or take a few meters)

Just so there's no misunderstanding.

[Guest]

Is this the route you ran and stopped?:

(give or take a few meters)

Just so there's no misunderstanding.

Probably a bit further into the treeline, pretty much as soon as I had PoV of the cat-walk I stopped.

[Guest]

I need to know by tonight if possible if i'll be getting unbanned as there is an event tomorrow I need to go to. I need to know if I should send someone else.

[Conor]

Personally I have had little to no involvement in the possible outcome of this appeal. From looking at the thread notes that other admins have posted however, my answer to your question is :soon:

[sung]

Let's start from the beginning.

In post #6 of this report you state the following:

I switched servers as nobody was on the other one and I was bored and I logged in at GM, as soon as I logged in I am initiated upon by presumably? the people in the tower so I start firefighting. Then I hear Charlie and start roleplaying with him. I didn't ghost, I logged in and was initiated on.

We can accept the fact that you may have worded this slightly wrong. However, after reading through your other point of views, your story still seems to be conflicting with itself.

In post #20, you state the following:

I logged off of S1 as the population was dwindling. I was in Pogorevka at the time I had logged out and switched servers. I moved to the treeline (my previous post said GM but it was the mountain itself not the compound, clearing that up now) and as I was walking up Chris pokes me saying they need help, we merge comms and they re-initiate on the compound. As i'm walking up in the treeline i'm initated on by some random? im presuming. I get to cover and start scoping out the tower. I see someone crawling out there so I kill him. After 4 hours I then climb up the tower and get killed. Earlier I was going to work so I had a "fuck it" attitude and couldnt give a shit, but now that I have time i'm not going to get banned for something that isn't against the rules.

In your first point of view, you claim that you had logged in on Green Mountain (the mountain itself, not the compound) and from there, you claim you are initiated on 'as soon as' (meaning immediately) you had loaded in. In your second point of view, you claim you logged in near Pogorevka and started making your way toward Green Mountain. Coincidentally, your group had been initiated on nearly a full minute prior to your connection to the server, as well as another minute and a half for you to be able to fully move around in-game.

On top of this, you state the following in both the report and again in this appeal while being questioned for more information:

Report Quote (taken from the quote above):

as I was walking up Chris pokes me saying they need help, we merge comms and they re-initiate on the compound. As i'm walking up in the treeline i'm initated on by some random

Ban Appeal Quote:

I logged into a small treeline around Pogorevka (in between Pogo and Rogovo), immediately heard hostilities so I ran to the GM treeline. I took my headset off for a few seconds because my father came into my room and then as I put my headset back on I was pretty much simultaneously initiated on. I shot in his direction (sprayed) because I knew the general area he was in and ran to cover, this is when Chris poked me and I switched channels to help him in the firefight.

Both of these recollections have a different order of events. The first claims you're initiated on in the treeline after being poked by Chris. The second claims you're poked by Chris and as you're moving up to Green Mountain, you're initiated on in the treeline.

Both are conflicting each other.

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Refer to the following logs to gain a better understanding of the time frame we're basing your story off of:

13:54:48 | Chat("Will Rogers"): EVERYONE IN AND AROUND THE COMPOUND HANDS IN THE AIR OR DIE!
13:54:51 | Chat("Brandon McEvoy"): EVERYONE PUT YOUR HANDS UP RIGHT NOW OR YOU WILL BE SHOT!

13:55:33 | Player "Aiden Murphy" is connected

13:59:20 | Player "Will Rogers" has been killed by player "Aiden Murphy"

At this stage of the situation, you are moving toward Green Mountain and you're poked by your group members to join their comms so you can assist in a firefight (this firefight began nearly 2 and a half minutes before you were able to fully move around in-game). While you're running toward Green Mountain, you claim you made it roughly 750m from where you have logged in before being initiated on.

This means you would be situated in at this position (roughly):

As you can see, you're roughly 100m from the treeline itself - the one that you claim you're 'a bit further into' when answering Roman's questions regarding your position at the time of your initiation.

Again, you're conflicting your own recollection of the event in regards to the supposed initiation on yourself while in the Green Mountain forest.

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In the report (this post in particular), you claim you were 1.2km away from Green Mountain. In another post, you claim you're 750m away, but kill someone from 350m away. This still wouldn't account for the extra 100m that you haven't covered in your point of views, as well as being able to travel the distance in the time slot between your first steps in-game to your first kill.

While referring to the logs above, it would have only given you 2 and a half minutes to travel from your log in position, to the position in which you killed someone. Taking into account that the run you made would have been uphill for a majority of the time, we fail to believe that you would have had the time to do all of these things in the time determined.

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Overall, after reviewing the entire case again, we simply cannot over ride the original verdict because of the amount of times this story has conflicted with itself. Your story has changed several times to the point we are unable to determine if you're actually telling us the truth or not.

We hope that with this experience, you realize that the short responses in reports actually are not helpful in the long run and we hope that you look at this situation as a learning curve. When staff asks for a full and detailed point of view, post one instead of continuing back and forth with conflicting information.

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Appeal Denied - Ban & Ban strike hold