Baiting

[Hebee]

This is just to clarify and maybe get a better understanding of the rule.

From my understanding on the baiting rule there is "rule breaking baiting" ie blocking someone in somewhere so their only option to get out is to initiate. And non rulebreaking baiting -hostile rp essentially.

My question is, is there any other forms of baiting that are deemed rule breaking? I have seen a lot of baiting reports go up but the only one that I can remember that was deemed rule breaking was 

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-S2-Green-Mtn-Baiting-Power-Gaming

Any examples or solved reports of rule breaking baiting would be appreciates.

[Dew]

Yes that report, was deemed baiting. Whip couldn't do anything and the guy refused to move. He told Johnny this and Johnny went and initiated. I feel that there isn't really anything else that can be considered baiting. A lot of newer players think that hostile RP is baiting, I disagree. Many need to learn that hostile RP is not baiting, its the way one RP's or how a group RP's. Trying to get a reaction out of someone is not baiting, it is the person's choice to initiate, but if the person can't do anything else or feels that the only thing they can do is initiate, they can make a baiting report on it. Then it will be up to the staff the see if it was baiting or not.

[Slash]

The Rules state the following:

Do not bait other players into situations where you can take revenge for their actions.

So yeah, baiting means getting someone in a situation where you try to provoke the opposite party for doing actions where you can than take revenge for.

[Hebee]

The Rules state the following:

Do not bait other players into situations where you can take revenge for their actions.

So yeah, baiting means getting someone in a situation where you try to provoke the opposite party for doing actions where you can than take revenge for.

Doesnt really seem like that though because ive seen reports IE

Non chernarussian talks shit to a chernarussian to the point where the chernarussian initiates to teach him a lession - suprise suprise the non chernarussian has friends and they gat him down the second he initiates. Report goes up  verdict reads something like "At no point did the accused force you to initiate on him it was your choice therefore he is not guilty". That is baiting, but it is not "rule breaking" I'm just going to assume that it is a case to case basis but the rule seems to not be as black and white as it lead people to beleive.

[Nightngale]

Baiting is always described as forcing someone or a group of people to initiate and is usually associated with blocking someone's path. I did manage to find this report as well. As Dew stated, it is also important to remember that hostile roleplay is not baiting. Many people often feel baited during intense arguments, but if you have had ample opportunity to remove yourself from the situation or choose not to initiate then you have not been baited. Because of this, baiting can also be largely case by case. 

I'm going to continue to dig up a few more examples for you and I'll edit this post.

[Slash]

No, because he was not forced to initiate.

Like for instance the report you posted, there he is blocking his way out and the only way to get out will be to initiate. When someone shit talks you, you could just turn around and leave the area.

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Hebeejebies, do you got your answer? Or are you still not sure about the Baiting rule?

[Terra]

Baiting means, in a situation you have no reasonable choice to play out, other then to initiate.

I will try to create an example:

Scenario:

I am in Group A and I am your enemy, you are Group B. Let´s take Green Mountain at the place where it happends.

I know that our enemies are at Green Mountain.

Group A talks about how they can make Group B their hostages, or how they can create a firfight.

We decide that I go into Green Mountain, unarmed of course, to cause some trouble. I make it known to everyone that I am the enemie of Group B.

In the mean time Group A takes position around Green Mountain.

Group B tells me to leave - I refuse and stay. Afterall I am unarmed and no treat. I am just insulting Group B a little, provoke them. Because I do not leave like you have told me and you afterall must think I am alone, you decide to initiate on me.

Of course I comply, but Group A is within 500meters of the situation and starts to kill Group B out of nowhere because they gained KoS rights on Group B.

I baited Group B to initiate on me so my guys in Group A would gain KoS rights.

That could be a scenario of baiting.

Now you could say "But Group B could have just left". While this could be an option, I was alone there, against a whole group. They told me to go, I refused just to provoke them because I knew my Group is in position.

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Same situation, played out differently.

I still go into Green Mountain. I will be nice and calm, hoping some guy of Group B will listen to me. I tell them that I have sick friend down by the pond and that I need help. I ask if someone would come with me, helping me.

Maybe 3 people will say Yes and follow me out of Green Mountain towards the pond. At the Pond Group A is hinding behind bushed and when we arrive they jump out to initiate on Group B.

That would not be baiting. I lured them to follow me. There were many options for Group B to Rp this out. I did not force them to come with me.

To lure someone in a trap is not = Baiting

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Is that more understandable?

Giving the opposite party NO chance other to initiate (blocking them for example)

To be honest, baiting is never an easy judgement and is also very much based on the evidence provided.

[Ami.Knight]

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That brings to question a report currently up regarding baiting, where in this case group B did leave and group A followed them and continued pestering them on a 2 to 1 matchup because he knew he had friends watching the interaction.

[Terra]

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That brings to question a report currently up regarding baiting, where in this case group B did leave and group A followed them and continued pestering them on a 2 to 1 matchup because he knew he had friends watching the interaction.

I would have to see the report. But just following somone in general is not baiting.

[Guest]

from my understanding of the rules, baiting is when you force someone to initiate on you.

so take this into consideration, if you purposely force someone to initiate on you simply because you want to kill them or gain KOS rights that will be baiting.

something like following someone around for a whole hour saying "hi my name is Jeff" would not be considered as Baiting instead troll rp.

however in a scenario like what Terra described, in a scene where you give the person no other choice than to initiate simply so you can gain KoS rights is in fact baiting.

for example a scenario where someone is being extremely annoying let's say doing a horrible accent and trolling with it. so much so that one of my guys punched him in the arm, he proceeds to run somewhere and when move out of the town, we all got "KoS'd" by a group in the trees. that would be baiting.

hopefully my explanation is correct, I would hate to think I failed to interpret the rules ;3

[Storm]

Hebeejebies, do you feel as if your question has been answered?

[Hebee]

Yah it has been, thanks for all the responses.

[Kanen]

Not a Problem, Glad we could help.

/solved