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Johnny    0

Me and Hellish were talking last night and it appeared that we had different understandings of a rule. Now from what i was told By Staggs) and what was discussed is that as long as you were not making a personal attack on someone OOC you could call people things IG like Faggot, Cunt, Nigger and so on. But Hellish made it sound like it was a rule break. Now is this a rule break or not? That being said tho if someone is doing it badly it still goes under BadRP just like if someone does bad E'Rp its BadRP but the act of doing it is not a rule break.

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Dew    431

Yea I talked with Staggs about this once also, he told me the same. To my beliefs as long is the person OOC is fine with it it's not a rule break.

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Samaritan    346

Personally using the first or third word that you mentioned would be taking things too far. I'm sure that people have been reported in the past and punished for using words like that in game, and I tend to agree with them being punished for saying things like that but I suppose it depends on if someone is offended by those words. I don't think it is necessary to use those words even in game. However that is just my humble opinion.

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Hebee    2675

Ic racism is acceptable to a point I believe due to this I'd imagine it is one of those use in moderation things though

Last paragraph of verdict-

http://www.dayzrp.com/t-Terrible-Care-for-a-hostage-bad-rp?pid=1246695#pid1246695

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Storm    215

Calling someone 'Faggot' or 'Nigger' can in a sense be Racist or Homophobic depending on the context. You need to be very careful when using words like this if you dont know who's around you and how they will take it.

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Bruce    0

In my opinion, some of these certain words don't necessarily deem a punishment, but you should be very careful when you say them and to whom since many can be overly offensive to certain people. There is a line that can be crossed as well, if you are walking around and saying these slurs repeatedly and to everyone you meet it could be taken as BadRP.

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Johnny    0

Calling someone 'Faggot' or 'Nigger' can in a sense be Racicst or Homophobic depending on the context. You need to be very careful when using words like this if you dont know who's around you and how they will take it.

But here's the problem I know some people that get just as offended with the words retard and cunt. So who dictates what's ok? I feel that as long as its not used to personally attack someone ooc and not used to the extent of badrp it should be aloud.

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Hebee    2675

Calling someone 'Faggot' or 'Nigger' can in a sense be Racicst or Homophobic depending on the context. You need to be very careful when using words like this if you dont know who's around you and how they will take it.

But here's the problem I know some people that get just as offended with the words retard and cunt. So who dictates what's ok? I feel that as long as its not used to personally attack someone ooc and not used to the extent of badrp it should be aloud.

Well in character if they're being over the top idiotic (you know the average night at the mountain,with me and the boys) I feel calling them a retard is waranted just as if someone is being a cunt calling them a cunt is also warranted simple as that.

 Now if your just walking around in game to strangers saying hey cunt or yo retard so on so forth I think,that is where it can get a bit dodgey and be a rule break.

Basically as long as the person is warranting the name let loose imo at least that's the way I interpreted the verdict on that report and have acted since.

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Guest Mak   
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What happens IC stays IC, I can't even count the amount of times I've been called a faggot or been insulted In character, but I never ever got offended OOC; it's what RP is all about: it ain't always gonna be sunshine and flowers, and people are not always gonna be nice to you.

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Storm    215

Calling someone 'Faggot' or 'Nigger' can in a sense be Racicst or Homophobic depending on the context. You need to be very careful when using words like this if you dont know who's around you and how they will take it.

But here's the problem I know some people that get just as offended with the words retard and cunt. So who dictates what's ok? I feel that as long as its not used to personally attack someone ooc and not used to the extent of badrp it should be aloud.

Personally I don't see a problem with calling someone a 'Cunt' but 'Retard' is also something that could be taken out of context. All all depends on the context to determine whether its a rulebreak or not.

If you constantly called someone a 'Cunt', and it began to ruin someones RP, then this would be classed as BadRP. As for the word 'Nigger', racism is never tolerated. It all depends on the context of each word used. If something is said blatently to offend someone OOC, then yes, it would be BadRP. But if the RP is decent, and the word is used strictly ICly, then I don't see a problem. Other people may have a different perspective, but this is my personal opinion.

I would just be careful with what you say, or don't say it at all just to be on the safe side.

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Rick    19

There was never really a concensus in staff when I was in it at least on this matter. It was always Staggs opinion that it was ok to use the n word, any other extreamly harsh language in an RP setting. I always felt, that while most words were ok, there are a few, like the n word, that should not be used in any context. Its really a case by case situation. I dont think theres a line that staff can draw.

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Chinchilla    77

If the defense of using hate speech IC is due to realism, but we have KOS rules that argue against realism. So how do we find a middle ground? Maybe certain hate speech would grant the people who hear it KOS?

And if hate speech is allowed then why is threatening Rape not allowed. Not that I feel it should, it just makes no sense to ban certain forms of hate and not others.

I mean no disrespect by saying this, but who, in a game gets enjoyment out of using words that are full of hate and oppression? This isn't Xbox live and we're not 12 year old kids playing call of duty.

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Erik    107

Thought about this for a bit, figure I will give my input. The fact of the matter is racism is very real, and it is realistic to play a racist character/ a xenophobic character, homophobic, etc. However while the use of slurs makes an in character sense, there comes a point when it becomes harassment. I think that racial slurs, used within a proper context would be perfectly acceptable, however at the same time if you are badgering someone, spewing racial slurs non stop, and doing it for the sole purpose of making the person playing the other character feel insulted or uncomfortable then you are going too far. It would not be considered good RP to follow someone around calling them by the slur repetitively, as you simply wouldn't see that in real life without the person trolling the other to specifically get a rise out of them. The same applies here.

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Thumper    0

Eh, I dont care what people call each other IC, but there will always be that 'one guy' that will take offense and report you. I remember calling someone a 'cum-guzzling queen' IC in a firefight, and they immediately threatened to report me. Unfortunately, I'll killed them anyway. My character is a foul mouthed racist prick, but I keep the racism to a nil because I dont want to hurt people, or offend. Its just a character.

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Yimo    4

When I saw this thread I thought it was gonna be a Bo Burnham song. :(

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Nolan    0

The important distinction has to be made between the homophobic use of faggot, and the general use that the word has today. I don't think many or any people play an openly gay character ingame, so there are very few situations where a player would be called a faggot because they are actually gay. It's ignorant to describe faggot as a term only with homophobic connotations, as it is pretty much synonymous with loser, idiot or any other generic insult nowadays. Some might find even that homophobic, but those people need to grow some balls and crawl out of their tumblr safe space, because you can't get offended over everything.

Also, the word cunt is in regularly used in the vocabulary of us antipodeans (Aus, NZ) to mean any variety of things, nothing wrong with that there.

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DickSlide    250

Personally if someone calls me all that IC wise then alright cool whatever just gives me and my friends a reason to rob you and torture you till the RP turns stale. But when it turns OOC wise and you call me shit like that I couldn't care ether as words are words if you get hurt by them then you deserve to be hurt. Are you a "faggot"? No? Then why do you care? Are you a "cunt"? No? then why do you care? Are you a "nigger"? No? Then why do you care if someone calls you these things IC and OOC?

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Pussy    382

In my opinion, it is okay to use those words while in character to a point. When the roleplay focuses too heavily on just those words, and those insults are being strung together almost constantly is when I have a problem with it. Your character is homophobic? Fine, as long as you don't make that the ONLY thing prominent about the role play. If you are calling someone a f*ggot over, and over, and over, and over again, then what is the point of the role play at all? How is that creative? How is that interesting? How is that dynamic?

The best way I can possibly describe it out through personal experience is when I've experienced sexism in game. In character, I've had experiences where people make snide remarks about my gender, and then I've had people who have spewed nothing but sexist insults towards me for over thirty minutes straight. The difference between the two instances is monumental, and the second gave me nothing but a foul taste in my mouth. Not only was it boring, but after 30 minutes of hearing nothing but constant insults, it borders on harassment.  

I guess what I'm trying to say is that those insults can be used with proper in-character motivation, however it should not be the main focus of the role play. While in character, try to create dynamic and interesting ways to show distaste through other ways as well. If you can't do that, then you may be subject to Bad RP for lack of creativity.

Just my two cents on the matter.

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Boston    778

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I'll say it anyways.

I think that all words should be allowed, so long as it is IC and IC only. Yes, every single racial slur, homophobic words, and sexual words. Simply put, it would lead to great Hostile RP so long as like Bruce and Kattica said, the words weren't said over and over.

These words being allowed would lead to more possibilities for RP as well (Racist characters, sexist characters, etc.)

In all honesty, it's the internet, and you're going to see things you don't like on the internet. Plus... life's not fair. Not everyone's going to be jolly, dandy, and hunky-dory ICly.

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Slash    87

As long as you not use the word over and over again it's fine by me.

I know that some people don't like getting racist words to their face. So don't use them to much, and only use them when they add something to the RP. Words like "Shithead" will have the same impact as the word "Faggot", so why would you use the second one as some people can feel insulted by that?

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DeeBlack    310

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But seriously people need to stop being such pussies about these words, they exist and as long as you know the person ooc and they are cool with it then it should be fine. On top of that in Eastern Europe from what Ive been told by people from that area the word "faggot" is used the same way as asshole or something along those lines, its probably one of the most common swear words.

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Guest Zenon   
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As far as I know, explicit racism isn't really allowed IC (such as calling someone a racial slur), to any extent.

But, personally, I feel that so long as something is said IC, it should be dealt with IC. If someone came up to your character and called them a racially charged word (provided that ICly the player saying the word had reason to do so), you should deal with it in-character rather than going immediately to staff.

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Hassan    450

I think the biggest problem with using those words is when people start to think that it's okay for everyone to go around and start calling each other them.

I think if the RP is right and the word will help with the value of the RP than it's alright, but if you just walk up to a group and start yelling homophobic/racist slurs that's when it becomes trolly.

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Guest   
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you have to consider the person tbh, if he consider it ok, then use it in game as you please. but bear in mind that others may still take offense to it, you can walk up with a black character and start calling him Nigger and he's fine with it. you meet another guy on the road and you start calling him Nigger again, the newcomer might not like that.

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Guest   
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Personally I get offended when people call me a "idiot" in character. Idiots are way smarter than me and should not be belittled to the likes of me. No but really. The way I see it IC is IC. OOC is OOC. I can take a few harsh words inside the roleplay videogame.

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I don't see how having the freedom to say these words really builds on anybody's RP. Sure you can make claims that your character is extremely prejudiced or a white supremacist - whatever. I don't see how the RP of the server drops in quality with this censorship in place. Nor do I see how it is improved when we're given the freedom to say what we like.

The two cases I've seen somebody use the word nigger in the server was as follows:

  • 'Would you suck a nigga's dick?' - Said from a captor to his hostage
  • 'I was talking to the stupid nigga, not you.' - Said by a hostage to his captor

Both times the context didn't call for it - the former example, it was practically trolling/bad RP. (Because of how immature it was).

I'm not going to argue for censorship to occur and I agree with the sentiment that people should try as much as they can to keep their IC events as that, in character.

That being said - I still don't see what we gain but being so pro-Freedom of Speech. Which is more about giving people more options to insult eachother with - not actually give people a voice.

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