Allow switching servers when people have KOS on you.

[Guest]

So there is something that really annoys me.  We initiate on someone, let them go, they run off.  About a hour later they log off but just because they have KOS on us we can't switch servers.  Reason for switch?  To go to a more popular server to RP or to drop off loot in camps and what not.  I see no reason to restrict people to a dead server if the people who have kos on you are not even online anymore.  It's ridiculous.  If they come back to play and still have KOS on you, they probably would want to go to the more popular server as well.  I don't see a point to this especially since the kos timer is 2 hours which is a ridiculous amount of time.  Discuss.

[Defiance]

So there is something that really annoys me.  We initiate on someone, let them go, they run off.  About a hour later they log off but just because they have KOS on us we can't switch servers.  Reason for switch?  To go to a more popular server to RP or to drop off loot in camps and what not.  I see no reason to restrict people to a dead server if the people who have kos on you are not even online anymore.  It's ridiculous.  If they come back to play and still have KOS on you, they probably would want to go to the more popular server as well.  I don't see a point to this especially since the kos timer is 2 hours which is a ridiculous amount of time.  Discuss.

The solution is to ask your aggressors if you can switch. The way to get around this is with OOC permission. My group has ran into this issue before, and as long as you can consent with the people who have KOS rights on you, then you're fine.

If they all log off, then you're fine to switch....right, Staff?

[Guest]

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The solution is to ask your aggressors if you can switch. The way to get around this is with OOC permission. My group has ran into this issue before, and as long as you can consent with the people who have KOS rights on you, then you're fine.

But what if they are offline?  Good luck trying to contact them. Oh and Shark told me you can not switch even if they are offline.

[Defiance]

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The solution is to ask your aggressors if you can switch. The way to get around this is with OOC permission. My group has ran into this issue before, and as long as you can consent with the people who have KOS rights on you, then you're fine.

But what if they are offline?  Good luck trying to contact them.

If they're offline, then I don't see how switching would be an issue whatsoever.

[Nightngale]

So have you been punished for this or?

If they aren't on the server, I don't see why it would be an issue. But definitely don't log and switch at the 15 minute mark, or while they're on the server still.

[Guest]

So have you been punished for this or?

If they aren't on the server, I don't see why it would be an issue. But definitely don't log and switch at the 15 minute mark, or while they're on the server still.

That's what I am saying.  I haven't been punished, just been told it isn't allowed to switch even if they are offline.

[Nightngale]

So have you been punished for this or?

If they aren't on the server, I don't see why it would be an issue. But definitely don't log and switch at the 15 minute mark, or while they're on the server still.

That's what I am saying.  I haven't been punished, just been told it isn't allowed to switch even if they are offline.

I have never seen this being stated as a rulebreak. But then again I may be wrong, it seems like one of those unwritten rules.

EDIT: The only way that I could see this being questionable is if there is an unknown person with KoS rights on you still, who is in fact still on the server. As RED stated, it would be best to just attempt to find the people who you robbed and ask OOC permission.

[Defiance]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

[Guest]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

+1

[Kanye]

Don't let them escape, problem solved.

[Defiance]

Don't let them escape, problem solved.

What?

[Nightngale]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

It's a public pole m8...

[Defiance]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

It's a public pole m8...

I know, but I like holding people accountable...

[TLake]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

I voted 'No' cause fuck da po-po-police

But honestly no need to rule change since you can already switch servers all you need is other party consent.

[Defiance]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

I voted 'No' cause fuck da po-po-police

But honestly no need to rule change since you can already switch servers all you need is other party consent.

I am so sick of you and I know I'm not alone.

[TLake]

Who voted No?

Why did you vote No?

I voted 'No' cause fuck da po-po-police

But honestly no need to rule change since you can already switch servers all you need is other party consent.

I am so sick of you and I know I'm not alone.

You fuckin love me don't deny them feelings

[Defiance]

On the real, though...

TheSkyRider brings up a great point. You don't always know who exactly has those KOS rights with you, and whether or not they're hunting you. Contacting the other party to see if you can switch is the obvious solution to this. I think that there's a certain risk that MUST come with initiating, and this is one of those risks. It can hamper RP but everyone has their right to revenge, I suppose.

[Diamond]

If they leave then you should be able to leave or switch servers. It makes no sense that you can't.

[Mootie]

So there is something that really annoys me.  We initiate on someone, let them go, they run off.  About a hour later they log off but just because they have KOS on us we can't switch servers.  Reason for switch?  To go to a more popular server to RP or to drop off loot in camps and what not.  I see no reason to restrict people to a dead server if the people who have kos on you are not even online anymore.  It's ridiculous.  If they come back to play and still have KOS on you, they probably would want to go to the more popular server as well.  I don't see a point to this especially since the kos timer is 2 hours which is a ridiculous amount of time.  Discuss.

As so many others has said before me; It isn't an issue if the people who have KOS rights on you aren't online. If that were a rule, you would be confined to a server (that could possible be dead, as you said) and forced to only play on said server until they come back. I think it's a given that nobody plays on a single server constantly and never changes. Everyone hops from S1 to S2 and vice versa but you need to make SURE that they, or any involved parties are not online before you hop. If they aren't online at the time of the hop and they come back later and really want to hunt you down, they can join the server you're on. Not the other way around. 

You aren't going to wait for them to RP with you when they aren't there.

[Clare]

I never even knew this was a issue? If someone has KOS on you and they log off, they obviously don't care enough to want to act out revenge on you. I don't get why you would have to stay on the server too?.... Unless this is just a misunderstanding.

[Guest Zenon]

This is truly a very, very silly rule. Chances are, if you've gotten away within 15 minutes, they likely aren't going to find you. That being said, I can understand how people might switch servers after the fifteen minute period is up.

On the flipside, way back when the Trust was starting up but wasn't quite an official group, entire bandit groups would join the unpopulated server we were on just to find us. I see that both sides can abuse servers.

Anyhow, more to the point, why not edit the rule like this: you can only leave/switch servers after 30 minutes have passed.

[MatthewFC]

Is this an issue? I was under the impression that you can't log off/switch servers during the first 15 minutes. The rest of the two hours, even while they still hold KoS rights against you, you could log off or switch servers without penalty.

Even within the first 15 minutes, if you can find your victim on TS and ask them for permission, most people would be gracious enough to let you leave given that you don't give them a crap reason. So, I don't see the need..

[MatthewFC]

Well, I was reading the solved reports as usual and found this ruling. While I agree that 15 minutes is the bare minimum, extending the rule to "meaning that it should be used only for emergencies" and...

not something you can exploit to continue playing on another server where the people that you'd had hostilities with can't find you

...is completely an asspull. I would agree with a ruleplay>roleplay combatlog ruling if there was hard evidence that the only reason the player switched from the server was to avoid retaliation, but there isn't any. I can also see some other reasons for concern (like the accused party clearly stating he had not been part of the hostilities and over 500m away totally being ignored) but discussing the small print of a report is not my place and may be left to the accused if they wish to make an appeal or staff if they want to correct their ruling.

So, I'll continue to hold that not switching or logging off is meant only for the first 15 minutes, and abusing this timer is a matter of motive. After the first 15 minutes, it should be safe to log off or even switch servers, as long as the motive is a valid one. For extra safety, confirm with your victim(s) if they are ok with you switching or logging out.

[Roland]

Except we can't prove the motive in any way and... (*gasp*) people lie on the Internet. Therefore a rule that holds you accountable at all times, regardless of the situation, people being online or offline is the most fair one and it doesn't leave any room for abusing it by having "motives". Also, 15 minutes isn't really that long, I personally would like to extend that to 30 minutes, to limit the amount of "robbery - hide - log out" scenarios.

[Surviving Man]

I voted no because I'm a fucking idiot and didn't read the thread/comprehend how it makes sense initially.

If the people are offline then yeah - I don't see why not. That being said there should be at least a 5 minute or so 'mercy' rule on your end before you switch. For example you see in the player list that the person with KOS rights on your has left.

Give it 5~ minutes before you yourself switch - they may have just been kicked/had internet problems etc. And may return.

Bottom line is that both parties have to be indirectly cooperative and not have ruleplay in their best interests.

So I vote Yes.