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b1gje55e    0

Word of caution: Contains controversial material.

With that said, admins, mods, etc. if this is too much I understand if you take it down.

To me DayZRP is about realism. And realism sometimes means terrible things. Now, I've read the Community and RP Rules. Only in the Community Rules does it go into this and from what I understand it is referring to the website/forum. "This" being inappropriate RP. Things that some, if not most find offensive. Examples are torture, rape, sodomy (traditional definition).

Like I stated before RP to me is realism and sometimes that means some pretty dark sh*t. Just to be clear I wouldn't/couldn't RP these things, but some could. So my question is, to the admins, mods, GMs, as well as our lovely community, "how far is too far"? Is DayZRP limitless in RP? SHOULD you ban someone for these offensive things?

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Guest AsOiX   
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Ban for rape yeah. Or sexual content. Some people are under 18 in the community. . Not to mention, were playing a game, we don't need RAPE in a game. You would probably also drive some people away from the community aswell.

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Riorach    0

Personally I believe that torture could be permitted, so long as you have the player's OOC permission to engage in such a thing, always make sure that the other person involved in such a thing Is comfortable with the outcome. As for the darker side of the other two examples, I think that would go a bit too far. Sure some would love to have those things added for character development, but a great deal more would use it as a way to garner pitty from other characters IC, and it is a broadly unacceptable subject for a lot of people.

Personally, I'm not offended by torture as an IC development, but I know a large portion of people who would not be okay with the latter two myself included. I think that both of them would fall under the "too far" category.

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Vapor    0

Going to far is being gross when you're RP'ing. We don't want to be surrounded by people that want to rape and do a bunch of other offensive things. We don't condone it, we don't like it, we don't appreciate people that do it.

Rape would be taking the RP too far and making it really bad.

These are offensive things ingame and IRL.

We want to build the community, not destroy it.

We employ a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in racist, rape, immature or otherwise abusive role play. Such actions are grounds for permanent removal from this server.

We don't need them, we don't want them.

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Guest Phalix   
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Rape is pretty bad- even with OOC consent.

Maybe can make a OOC roleplay agreement through pm's or something- but that's still edgy and probably not allowed.

Regardless, Bestiality is just trollish.. Noone's going to shag a cow in the middle of a populated area. They'll probably do it alone

You will get banned for stuff like that.

Though there was a rule specifically saying "no sexual RP" and that is gone now "for a reason".

Though the "yes" and "no's" of Sexual RP is still fuzzy.

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Cid    333

/moving to Questions

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b1gje55e    0

Perhaps there should be a "code of conduct" you must follow in the servers and agree to upon making an account/being whitelisted.

Also, a waiver of sorts that people agree to at the same time, stating that there can be offensive RPing and material.

What about RPing racism, sexism, bigotry? I feel maybe there need to be some ground rules in place for these things just so everyone is clear.

Technically, as it isn't against any rules one could argue that they were banned for nothing.

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Mamba    0

I feel this is a case of "using common sense" If you have to ask yourself Should I be doing this? Then the answer is probably, No. Not at all. Racism is never permitted. Rape roleplay is never permitted. Roleplaying that you are taking a shit in Greenmountain= not permitted. Anything that can be found hurtful or offensive to somebody out of character should be approached with caution. If you're unsure ask a CH or staff member.

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Vic    0

Torture is fine, the rest is not. You can be really dark without adding those above examples too be fair. So no Rape and no Sodomy. And a very blunt no. And anyone should know why. Regardless if this is a RP server, there are some boundaries that should honestly never be crossed. So to answer your question, Yes, someone should be banned for the two out of three things.

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b1gje55e    0

I agree that they should be banned and that its wrong and people get offended. But I guess I'm bringing this up so that there can be some clear lines.

People will argue on be banned for these things. Claiming a technicality because there isn't a rule against it.

It wouldn't hurt to have these things drawn out for some.

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Cjbustuup    1

Torture is ok but you have to keep compliant hostages alive unless you have kos rights. Rape is a no. People get banned for that stuff. Maybe with ooc consent from the victim but thats still pretty bad. Rape is a horrible real world problem and i dont think the staff wants us to be promoting that ingame.

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I remember a discussion ages ago on the very same subject, the best piece I got from it was from Thumper. I'm not gonna search for that thread because I'm on my phone.

Thumper basically said that when it came to "sexual" stuff, keep it Disney rated. That is until you're alone with your partner and with, obviously, extreme concent, then you may do what you want privately. (Now that I think about I think that discussion was just on the sex stuff and nothing else.)

Please please PLEASE, no rape. It's wrong on so many levels and there's so much other RP to focus on then that kind. We're a mature community, let's please keep it that way.

Torture is just fine, and is already used pretty commonly. While torture is dark, it can be taken to even darker places that it probably shouldn't be taken to. Most people that RP the whole torture business know not to go to far, and ofcoarse also know the power gaming rules behind it. (Not chopping off someone's entire arm or something similar.)

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weedy wine    4

I remember a day on normal DayZ servers, where twice in one day had people run up to me and demand me to take off my clothes, and try to imply stuff that really made me feel sick to my stomach. I quit for several months.

While I agree that in the zombie apocalypse things might get dark, and RP for some might feel the need encompass the whole mess that humanity has become. However, I never think some scenarios, such as sodomy, rape, or uncomfortable torture scenarios should ever been put on someone without prior permissions or something. For some, or at least me, it just leaves me feeling subjected and gross even once I have logged out. I dunno.

Maybe if someone really wanted to mention such things as how badly people had fallen from being civilized, they could gently side step it for respect of people around? Like "yes, I heard a particularly harrowing story that made me wish where I knew where my daughter was"? or something. Just my two cents.

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Cjbustuup    1

I remember a day on normal DayZ servers, where twice in one day had people run up to me and demand me to take off my clothes, and try to imply stuff that really made me feel sick to my stomach. I quit for several months.

While I agree that in the zombie apocalypse things might get dark, and RP for some might feel the need encompass the whole mess that humanity has become. However, I never think some scenarios, such as sodomy, rape, or uncomfortable torture scenarios should ever been put on someone without prior permissions or something. For some, or at least me, it just leaves me feeling subjected and gross even once I have logged out. I dunno.

Maybe if someone really wanted to mention such things as how badly people had fallen from being civilized, they could gently side step it for respect of people around? Like "yes, I heard a particularly harrowing story that made me wish where I knew where my daughter was"? or something. Just my two cents.

I can understand the rape sort of stuff but the torture element is here in dayzrp.

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IAmJackBandit    80

Perhaps there should be a "code of conduct" you must follow in the servers and agree to upon making an account/being whitelisted.

Also, a waiver of sorts that people agree to at the same time, stating that there can be offensive RPing and material.

What about RPing racism, sexism, bigotry? I feel maybe there need to be some ground rules in place for these things just so everyone is clear.

Technically, as it isn't against any rules one could argue that they were banned for nothing.

I am sorry, I am confused perhaps because it is late for me, but what isn't against the rules...because it clearly states here in the What NOT To Do section that:

We employ a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in racist, rape, immature or otherwise abusive role play. Such actions are grounds for permanent removal from this server.

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At the end of the day, DayZRP is just about fun and yes it's about realism and role play but we don't need to take it that far, Even if you acted out these horrible things on a person in-game I don't think many people would still RP because they would just think it was a bit too weird.

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RubyRed    0

About the rape: it would be way too offensive, if it was allowed, female players especially (yes guys as well) would have a problem with certain people. The rules are there for a reason. I wouldn't want to play and run into someone, just being scared to be raped and attacked when I'm alone and therefor making no contact with anyone i don't know.

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Unknown Entity    126

No rape.

Sexual RP itself, imo I don't mind, as long as the people around OOCly are not offended. But rape itself no, it's a very controversal subject, some people are simply offended from it (for a understandable reason) and it does not have it's place here, or even in our society. Although I do agree that if a zombie apocolypse were to happen, it would be a frequent problem, but we can't forget even if we aim for realism, this is still a game.

Torture ? No problem. This kind of violence is everywhere, books, movies etc etc, it's a more "common" thing and a lot less controversal. However if a hostage of mine tells me OOCly this is bothering him, that should be respected.

As for racism, I do believe the rules could be changed a bit, and it should be based on your IC reasoning, but same thing : it's very controversal and could offend OOCly some people, their is no real point on trying to modify the rules and allow it, it's just easier for it to be restricted.

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Valkerion    0

No rape.

Sexual RP itself, imo I don't mind, as long as the people around OOCly are not offended. But rape itself no, it's a very controversal subject, some people are simply offended from it (for a understandable reason) and it does not have it's place here, or even in our society. Although I do agree that if a zombie apocolypse were to happen, it would be a frequent problem, but we can't forget even if we aim for realism, this is still a game.

Torture ? No problem. This kind of violence is everywhere, books, movies etc etc, it's a more "common" thing and a lot less controversal. However if a hostage of mine tells me OOCly this is bothering him, that should be respected.

Pretty much my stance on the subject.

If people can RP out a sexual relationship then let them but I do not want to see some scene from a hardcore porn film even more so I dont want to see it in front of me either.

Torture as you can its in media everywhere and torture itself varies in levels of violence and gore take waterdrop torture for example not really that bad.

As for Rape just no although I do think you should be able to maybe insinuate it on say a captured victim just to scare them but not actually do it something like "there are many things i could do to you in a situation like this"

And of course Racism if the IC reasoning is there then fine. man of colour robs you for example maybe you call him the N word once or twice for that.

Running around shouting the N word....just no

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Unknown Entity    126

-snip-

As for Rape just no although I do think you should be able to maybe insinuate it on say a captured victim just to scare them but not actually do it.

This last part I get, and sort of agree, but it would need to be agreed on OOCly wich would kind of break the immersion.

Some people have IRL had problems with these issues, and these can bring up bad emotions for them even if it is in RP.

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Valkerion    0

-snip-

As for Rape just no although I do think you should be able to maybe insinuate it on say a captured victim just to scare them but not actually do it.

This last part I get, and sort of agree, but it would need to be agreed on OOCly wich would kind of break the immersion.

Some people have IRL had problems with these issues, and these can bring up bad emotions for them even if it is in RP.

If they feel they dont like it they can always say OOC and the people insinuating such would probably stop I know there are some people who will get really emotional about such things but iv seen the same for torture as well.

To be fair in the example I gave "there are many things I can do to you in such a situation" it can literally mean anything and its meant to do exactly that and get your victim thinking of the worst possible thing that you could do to them not specifically rape but that may come to their mind.

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Okay, let me ask you a question: what exactly do you feel would be gained by being able to threaten rape or call someone a racial slur? How will this make your role play more enjoyable and entertaining for others and how does excluding it prevent you from having enjoyable, fulfilling role play? Ignore realism since this is only moderately realistic. DayZRP is more like a shared story. Are these things that should be included in your story or not?

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Valkerion    0

Okay, let me ask you a question: what exactly do you feel would be gained by being able to threaten rape or call someone a racial slur? How will this make your role play more enjoyable and entertaining for others and how does excluding it prevent you from having enjoyable, fulfilling role play? Ignore realism since this is only moderately realistic. DayZRP is more like a shared story. Are these things that should be included in your story or not?

Was that aimed at me?

Quite simply id be able to scare people more.

People get a thrill out of scares yet still feel comfortable in the knowledge that they are actually perfectly safe from all harm you can use any scary film/game as an example of this.

lets be fair were also roleplaying DayZ its sort of meant to be a bit dark.

Hell some people get a thrill from the realism alone and they know when you have filtered your wording down.

Also the stance on racism in this community is a little off where as some slurs and sterotypes are fine yet others arent also it is my personal opinion that they are just words I have the pleasure of being called a multitude of things due to my mixed race IRL but I couldnt care less about it really just words.

Blatant Rape and flat out offensive content with no context or reasoning to why and putting people into situations that are only meant to cause distress to the person OOC are simply out of the question this is where the dark tone ends I dont even think the people performing such would even be enjoying themselves really.

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Gingervitus    0

Personally I believe that torture could be permitted, so long as you have the player's OOC permission to engage in such a thing, always make sure that the other person involved in such a thing Is comfortable with the outcome. As for the darker side of the other two examples, I think that would go a bit too far. Sure some would love to have those things added for character development, but a great deal more would use it as a way to garner pitty from other characters IC, and it is a broadly unacceptable subject for a lot of people.

Personally, I'm not offended by torture as an IC development, but I know a large portion of people who would not be okay with the latter two myself included. I think that both of them would fall under the "too far" category.

Asking for permission before going to far is always the best thing to do. It's not fair to continue doing something a little bit over the top if not everyone will be able to enjoy it.

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