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Grihm    16

One thing i thought of yesterday when spinning around in bed not getting any sleep, was how one could have a more advanced roleplaying based system to put into use when facing Cannibals.

Yes i know it´s a bit of a worn out subject, but nevertheless it´s very up to date these days and i also read a lot of questions regarding it as well as questions from new players about wanting to play as one. For every day this goes on that there is no rule or system in use, we might as well call it meta gaming or rule play etc because if one thing is in use, there must be a solution or system for it as well.

So, let´s begin.

The example that follows is a situation where a group of survivors have taken one suspect into custody after he/she had been showing signs of infection.

The group first need to extract from the immediate area and relocate somewhere safe and calm to thoroughly begin processing.

At the new location, the suspect is talked to and given a chance to explain and present him/herself and state it´s case. An interview is ongoing and during this, one medically trained to take and read blood-tests representative needs to be present.

During the questioning, the suspect is monitored for signs of the infection, such as shakes, extreme temper fluctuation and or strange behavior. If signs are present, the blood-test is the final proof and can be read and used as the final key in determination of the accused.

With enough proof and a decision made, the outcome is then executed with either letting the suspect free or to be put down due to the nature of the infection and risk of harm to the general public.

1: Incarceration

2: Relocation

3: Interview

4: Blood-test

5: Decision

Now this is as i feel more than enough to both provide the group that does the capturing of the Cannibal with good RP as well as for the Cannibal itself. Nothing can be done on site so nothing can be done in the heat of the moment. Also, the Cannibals need to understand that they are known and they are out in the light. People know about them now and some will hunt them down due to the nature of their actions.

You play it, there will be consequences.

This is just an example but i feel it´s a fair one because it is up to you as the Cannibal to state your case. If you provide good roleplay and have one heck of a story, then you might be set on your way. This is perhaps a slim chance, but it exists. This is as far as one can push it i feel because now it´s more of an "event" rather than to us using the best judgment on site, so with this said, i think we have it as "fair" as can be.

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Subso    0

You play it, there will be consequences.

I support this but it seems on this server you never have long-term consequences...no matter how much bandit/evil/crazy/asshole you are. Sadly.

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Grihm    16

You play it, there will be consequences.

I support this but it seems on this server you never have long-term consequences...no matter how much bandit/evil/crazy/asshole you are. Sadly.

Things will change with the logs. As it is now, it´s word against word in many cases. The logs can prove if one has killed another player 5 times a day the last week and have you confronted and forced to explain yourself.

The logs will also shield people from being executed without this systematical 5 step list.

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Pegasi    0

Seems like this is too scripted and doesn't allow groups much creative freedom in instituting their own justice/ways of dealing with things.

Overall though, not a bad way of handling it, but it'd make it a bit dull to see everyone do this as routine. Also, this early in the apocalypse it doesn't make much sense that they would go through all this trouble just to determine the guilt of a cannibal (with the medical specialists and whatnot, especially considering there are thousands of "cannibals" walking around every day. How would a ragtag survivor group get medical specialists? Only a highly organized, militarized group could realistically pull this off in an apocalypse scenario.

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How about we just don't worry about cannibalism unless we actually see a player kill and eat another player, or unless the cannibal openly admits to being one?

I think this whole cannibalism thing has been thrown way out of proportion. Kuru takes months or even more than a year to show symptoms. Why don't we just not worry about "hunting" cannibals in that way? You know that if we pay any attention to them at all, people are only going to metagame.

Cannibalism can be a fun complication to throw into RP, and an interesting angle for detailed characters, but I feel that right now, people focus way too much on how to kill cannibals when they meet them.

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Mikachu    26

How about we let standalone be free and fluid and not try limit every little thing :D

There doesn't need to be strict procedures about how to interact in a situation, it's supposed to be fluid and random every time. It's why DayZ is so popular and fun to play.

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Grihm    16

It does not matter that "kuru" takes years in real life. I don´t understand why this is repeated? If i get shot in real life, i just don´t respawn or eat a can of beans and feel all Humpty Dumpty again.

Reality - Game

2 different things.

Cannibalism has a fallout that is shown through shakes, laughter and cryings. Call it whatever it may be, but it is what is given to us as proof. Real life incubation time is nothing related to this here because we are getting these effects basically on the spot. I feel it´s a bit strange that people should instead be allowed to "role play" that suddenly, they are sad? Why did they not cry in their microphone before then?

I know we are supposed to have it free and fluid, but it is in the game, it is in use. Why not have a set of rules so all know what is what when it happens, just as with combat, initiations etc?

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Mikachu    26

It does not matter that "kuru" takes years in real life. I don´t understand why this is repeated? If i get shot in real life, i just don´t respawn or eat a can of beans and feel all Humpty Dumpty again.

Reality - Game

2 different things.

Cannibalism has a fallout that is shown through shakes, laughter and cryings. Call it whatever it may be, but it is what is given to us as proof. Real life incubation time is nothing related to this here because we are getting these effects basically on the spot. I feel it´s a bit strange that people should instead be allowed to "role play" that suddenly, they are sad? Why did they not cry in their microphone before then?

I know we are supposed to have it free and fluid, but it is in the game, it is in use. Why not have a set of rules so all know what is what when it happens, just as with combat, initiations etc?

There already are rules. They dictate certain limitations to RPing a cannibal and the normal KOS etc rules dictate how you can treat a cannibal.

We don't need some super specific rule or procedure just for one RP style

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KpopKilla    74

This sounds overly complicated. When I capture cannibals I'll confront them about it call them worthless pieces of shit etc, but in the main flow of things I treat them mostly like any other person I capture. I'm not going to sit there and test some guy for an hour especially if said guy has a cannibal horde of friends looking for me. I wouldn't execute him for being a cannibal either unless I had some past grudge with him. Feel like all these cannibal threads are just simply making a mountain out of a molehill.

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Nagita    0

Even if game and real life is completely different, DayZRP is known because the community tends to provide some realistic Roleplaying experience.

If you don't want to wait for months, or years to consider Kuru's symptoms, that can be understandable. Not everyone has a lot of gametime so, we can perfectly understand you want to "cut" a bit the processing time.

But you need to consider this though : Kuru isn't a common disease like flu, diarhea and such. It's a rare case, or at least, it was before the outbreak. So with no to basic medical knowledge, you can't link the symptoms to the disease. Your character needs to have advanced medical knowledge to make the link.

People will be used to see cannibals in the future, and that will be easier to them to see the symptoms, and link them to Kuru. But we aren't in the outbreak long enough (2-3 months if we refer to the Lore) to make those links yet, with basic to no medical knowledge.

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Grihm    16

I guess it´s up to one and all then to either make use of somewhat longer RP suggestion as this, or to make their decision in their own way. As long as it includes RP. Also, it seems to be sort of a common theory that Kuru was for some reason unheard of until they added it in the game. It was not and people had heard of it before.

Don´t brush off common mouth to mouth information spreading as something impossible. Like i said before. If people are going to blame this on them being sad, why did people not cry in their mic´s before? IMO it´s a bit of a stretch to take one mechanic as soon as it arrives that´s given to us to Id a specific outcome, and then when it happens, say that is´s something completely different.

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That's true, Kuru was not well-known. In fact, with exception to very brief mentions in post-apocalyptic fiction (Book of Eli, Fallout, etc), most people in modern society aren't even aware that eating human flesh carries any health risks at all.

For now, I think the safest way to RP hatred of cannibals is to only assume you know about it if they either mention it or you see them eating a corpse.

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redspear461    3

I like your idea mate, but I just think its a little too complicated, and limits RP :P It's like telling all people who RP with a military background that we have to go through long, complicated procedures to see if they deserve to live or not, due to side affects of the war (Not the best example, but I'm tired so lets go with it :P).

Last I played alongside cannibals, I called them all out on their wicked ways, told them that if they didn't stop eating others I would end their miserable lives, luckily I got to end most of em that day :) All I can say is, be a cannibal if your story fits it, there is no need to limit a cannibals RP experience, just my 2 cents though.

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Grihm    16

That's true, Kuru was not well-known. In fact, with exception to very brief mentions in post-apocalyptic fiction (Book of Eli, Fallout, etc), most people in modern society aren't even aware that eating human flesh carries any health risks at all.

For now, I think the safest way to RP hatred of cannibals is to only assume you know about it if they either mention it or you see them eating a corpse.

The i guess it´s just me that has an interest in watching Discovery " and similar " documentary's + reading science magazines. It´s been published for at least 50 years so it is not that secretive. I´m not saying everyone needs to know about it at day 1, but at this stage the information would be well spread.

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The i guess it´s just me that has an interest in watching Discovery " and similar " documentary's + reading science magazines. It´s been published for at least 50 years so it is not that secretive. I´m not saying everyone needs to know about it at day 1, but at this stage the information would be well spread.

I wholeheartedly disagree that knowledge of Kuru is even remotely well spread.

Go poll 100 random people. I'm willing to bet money that less than 5% of them can tell you what "Kuru" is, and less than 10% of them will know what health problems are caused by eating human meat and how to diagnose those problems in a random stranger.

It's not about how long the scientific community has known about Kuru or how heavily published the information is. Kuru isn't something that's taught in any common knowledge courses. Only someone with education and training in the medical field, or someone that studies tribal history and such in their off-time, is going to know anything about it, and even then, given the slew of other personality quirks that could be responsible for random bursts of laughter or crying, as well as trembling, the odds that anyone would immediately say "That must be Kuru!" are extremely low.

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How about we just don't worry about cannibalism unless we actually see a player kill and eat another player, or unless the cannibal openly admits to being one?

I think this whole cannibalism thing has been thrown way out of proportion. Kuru takes months or even more than a year to show symptoms. Why don't we just not worry about "hunting" cannibals in that way? You know that if we pay any attention to them at all, people are only going to metagame.

Cannibalism can be a fun complication to throw into RP, and an interesting angle for detailed characters, but I feel that right now, people focus way too much on how to kill cannibals when they meet them.

Wiser words have never been spoken!!!!!

Why is everyone on a mad one abit cannibals? Just let it play out!

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Grihm    16

The i guess it´s just me that has an interest in watching Discovery " and similar " documentary's + reading science magazines. It´s been published for at least 50 years so it is not that secretive. I´m not saying everyone needs to know about it at day 1, but at this stage the information would be well spread.

I wholeheartedly disagree that knowledge of Kuru is even remotely well spread.

Go poll 100 random people. I'm willing to bet money that less than 5% of them can tell you what "Kuru" is, and less than 10% of them will know what health problems are caused by eating human meat and how to diagnose those problems in a random stranger.

It's not about how long the scientific community has known about Kuru or how heavily published the information is. Kuru isn't something that's taught in any common knowledge courses. Only someone with education and training in the medical field, or someone that studies tribal history and such in their off-time, is going to know anything about it, and even then, given the slew of other personality quirks that could be responsible for random bursts of laughter or crying, as well as trembling, the odds that anyone would immediately say "That must be Kuru!" are extremely low.

No it´s not. I found out about it in school and through TV, papers and such. Cars are very much more common than this, yet i know nothing about them. Why? Because i don´t care and i have no interest in it. I have made school reports about psychology and trauma etc + we have had papers written about the movie Alive and it´s surroundings. I would hardly call myself educated in a scientific degree, but nevertheless i knew about this. I find it strange that people doubt anyone would have known about this actually. Is it actually that strange?

It´s not that you should have the exact knowledge to Diagnose Kuru ingame, but that you should be allowed to recognize a Cannibalistic trait and avoid or take precautions or combat it. Call it Kuru...buru...flusiluru or whatever you wish. The name does not matter. It´s that you should be able to recognize what the reason for it is now when it´s been happening all over the area we are in.

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Jarvis Seistt    7

I wholeheartedly disagree that knowledge of Kuru is even remotely well spread.

Go poll 100 random people. I'm willing to bet money that less than 5% of them can tell you what "Kuru" is, and less than 10% of them will know what health problems are caused by eating human meat and how to diagnose those problems in a random stranger.

It's not about how long the scientific community has known about Kuru or how heavily published the information is. Kuru isn't something that's taught in any common knowledge courses. Only someone with education and training in the medical field, or someone that studies tribal history and such in their off-time, is going to know anything about it, and even then, given the slew of other personality quirks that could be responsible for random bursts of laughter or crying, as well as trembling, the odds that anyone would immediately say "That must be Kuru!" are extremely low.

No it´s not. I found out about it in school and through TV, papers and such. Cars are very much more common than this, yet i know nothing about them. Why? Because i don´t care and i have no interest in it. I have made school reports about psychology and trauma etc + we have had papers written about the movie Alive and it´s surroundings. I would hardly call myself educated in a scientific degree, but nevertheless i knew about this. I find it strange that people doubt anyone would have known about this actually. Is it actually that strange?

It´s not that you should have the exact knowledge to Diagnose Kuru ingame, but that you should be allowed to recognize a Cannibalistic trait and avoid or take precautions or combat it. Call it Kuru...buru...flusiluru or whatever you wish. The name does not matter. It´s that you should be able to recognize what the reason for it is now when it´s been happening all over the area we are in.

I tend to disagree.

Keep in mind that while you learned about Kuru in school, the TV or papers not everyone might have. After all Kuru is a disease that can only be found in a few, few parts of the globe and I doubt many people would do a report in school about it. Well, I, for one, first heard about Kuru whilst playing Standalone.

So, what would classify as a cannibalistic trait? The laughing and crying ingame? Personally, I would attribute that to, simply put, "regular insanity" like the one portrayed in games and movies because I think people would firstly think of that than cannibalism.

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Grihm    16

So, what would classify as a cannibalistic trait? The laughing and crying ingame? Personally, I would attribute that to, simply put, "regular insanity" like the one portrayed in games and movies because I think people would firstly think of that than cannibalism.

It´s like i said before. If laughing and crying in the mic is used for being "crazy" or sad, why did people not do that before they implemented the Cannibal mechanics?

Now when people are "caught" and these side effect happen, they are excused and you then you are left with looking the other way. People know of the infection..about the quarantine, about groups and events, but not that people eat each other and they are flipping out because of it?

We are immune to the infection, but what´s to say that does not advance or "mutate" the damage done to the body when eating the flesh from someone?

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Jarvis Seistt    7

So, what would classify as a cannibalistic trait? The laughing and crying ingame? Personally, I would attribute that to, simply put, "regular insanity" like the one portrayed in games and movies because I think people would firstly think of that than cannibalism.

It´s like i said before. If laughing and crying in the mic is used for being "crazy" or sad, why did people not do that before they implemented the Cannibal mechanics?

Now when people are "caught" and these side effect happen, they are excused and you then you are left with looking the other way. People know of the infection..about the quarantine, about groups and events, but not that people eat each other and they are flipping out because of it?

We are immune to the infection, but what´s to say that does not advance or "mutate" the damage done to the body when eating the flesh from someone?

I am not saying what it is used for, I am merely stating my interpretation of someone acting like that and what I think most people would assume.

What do you mean with "caught". If I were to catch someone chomping on someone's corpse then he would have a bit of lead delivered to his cranium rather quickly, or not, depending on how he presents his case.

But if I caught someone crying or laughing maniacal, the ingame symptoms, then I would just stay away. They might be dangerous and/or unstable. Or someone might try to comfort them, depending on the person.

Not saying people acting weird should be excused right away, but they would have to put on some convincing acting that they are just very stressed out or lost someone important recently instead of just being...a "regular madman".

Not my call to decide if the infection would make you get some disease from eating human flesh faster. Might happen, might not happen. But whose first thought would be that someone is acting weird because the infection made them get Kuru faster?

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Grihm    16

More or less everyone knows that if you eat raw chicken, you could get sick. I don´t feel it´s anything extraordinary about figuring out that eating human flesh might be bad considering people are bursting out in hysterical laughter and cryings and having influenza like shakes. You might not know it by name, but the source would be less of a problem to guesstimate.

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I still find it bizarre that you honestly think that the average person would attribute shakes and random crying/laughter to being a cannibal. This is not common knowledge among the populace.

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Jarvis Seistt    7

I still find it bizarre that you honestly think that the average person would attribute shakes and random crying/laughter to being a cannibal. This is not common knowledge among the populace.

What I was trying to say, basically.

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Grihm    16

I still find it bizarre that you honestly think that the average person would attribute shakes and random crying/laughter to being a cannibal. This is not common knowledge among the populace.

OK lets see it like this. Do you agree that at some point, this would be knowledge that could be spread to others? If someone sees a person eat another, and then he is having shakes and being sick etc. Would it be so very strange that someone put two and two together and that person tells it to another. This goes on and after a few weeks, it is talked about?

I cannot see how this would be so very unrealistic. Stop focusing on people "identifying" it as Kuru. The shakes are there, the mental breakdown etc. It only takes a few to witness what has been ongoing now for weeks and weeks to get the word spreading.

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Diamond    0

How about we let standalone be free and fluid and not try limit every little thing :D

There doesn't need to be strict procedures about how to interact in a situation, it's supposed to be fluid and random every time. It's why DayZ is so popular and fun to play.

AGREE


I can see where you are coming from but people that play cannibals will have limits to the rp they can take on

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