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Significant Weapon Spawn Reduction

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The name says it in a confusing way I couldn't format any better. Imagine that the day DayZRP launched was the first day of the outbreak.

Its been over two years yet were still finding an M4A4 in the barracks of a military base, in perfectly fine working condition. Its a completely unrealistic thing. My suggestion is a really dramatic one but one I've had for a very long time.

What if we were to change the spawn rates so that finding a working machine gun was almost as rare was finding a working helicopter? Now before you go and say "No, No, No, lets ban this fool!" think about it. If we increase the rates of more mass produced guns (such as common civilian firearms) then those groups attempting to be military groups would have real battles for supplies. For those high quality rifles (high quality now even being seen as an M4A4) that have great bullet penetration and a high rate of fire.

We will have a more realistic and RP intensive atmosphere. Where supplies are scarce and those who control them are in a constant struggle for those who want them. Mercenary groups would really be used for their firepower, and we might see a great traveling caravan group. I'm open to discuss other options, so please post any feedback both positive and negative!

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It's planned for 1.4.1

Currently a single run through Stary yields 5-6 weapons. In new patch this is reduced to 1-2.

Other spawns like food and ammo have also been significantly lowered.

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^^

That's nice to hear. Always believed there were a bit too many weapons in that area.

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As an example when i checked yesterday one stary tent run gave me;

1 M9 no ammo

1 USP 1 magazine

1 backpack

empty tin cans + other junk

2 smoke grenades

2 painkillers

1 blood test kit

and 1 merc clothing

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It's planned for 1.4.1

Currently a single run through Stary yields 5-6 weapons. In new patch this is reduced to 1-2.

Other spawns like food and ammo have also been significantly lowered.

Will the quality of the weapons spawning also be reduced. Like will we be seeing more Makarov's as opposed to M9's while looting. Or more CZ550's instead of M4 variants?

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It's planned for 1.4.1

Currently a single run through Stary yields 5-6 weapons. In new patch this is reduced to 1-2.

Other spawns like food and ammo have also been significantly lowered.

Will the quality of the weapons spawning also be reduced. Like will we be seeing more Makarov's as opposed to M9's while looting. Or more CZ550's instead of M4 variants?

Thats already how it is. You dont find m4 varianst in barracks or military, only heli crashes or if you are very lucky a basic one at tents

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We have also removed all modified (scopes etc) weapon variants from loot tables. Meaning you will only find basic models spawning and you will have to upgrade them with scopes and other attachments yourself.

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But why is my challenge?

Ok we get this is an RP server but it's enjoyable to have nice gear? I get that it's been X amount of years since it all began but I only see another negative outcome for the server population if you keep reducing high end gear to heli crashes.

I myself am a gear whore but in the sense I like having something I like in weaponry rather than being forced to own something like a M4 or a common AK. To be honest lots of people do just look at the gear thread people enjoy showing their stuff off.

Please just don't cut your nose off to spite your face this is still DayZ let us enjoy the variety that can be implemented with weaponry.

The above run through of the new loot table at Stary sounds terrible!! Surely you cutting the loot will cause more banditry? I see people who are already scared to walk around with a nice gun "on show" (which is crazy it's only a gun). I don't want this to become more of a stealth game for some people who avoid player interaction because they end up finding a super rare M4.

That said I do like the whole customisation piece!!

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I completely disagree myself, but since it's on the table.... meh

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Calm down and chill out. DayZRP is about RP not the gear. It's just a nice side activity :D

It isn't like everything is gone away and in fact there is MUCH new stuff and changes in loot to that too. Just because certain things are nerfed doesn't mean everything is. Wait and see :D

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Calm down and chill out. DayZRP is about RP not the gear.

Its still dayz, so there will always be those people that fancy gear over RP, nothing will ever change that. Unless you removed all zombies and weapons from the game :P

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On the other hand even after two years the guns won't just be gone. They would be in the hands of people and if they die someone will pick them up.

So if you could spawn corpses with potential weapon drop then it would be even more realistic. The amount of guns would not decline, its just replaced.

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Calm down and chill out. DayZRP is about RP not the gear. It's just a nice side activity :D

It isn't like everything is gone away and in fact there is MUCH new stuff and changes in loot to that too. Just because certain things are nerfed doesn't mean everything is. Wait and see :D

So put up more examples then not only one that shows it in a bad light ;)

However I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

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Calm down and chill out. DayZRP is about RP not the gear. It's just a nice side activity :D

It isn't like everything is gone away and in fact there is MUCH new stuff and changes in loot to that too. Just because certain things are nerfed doesn't mean everything is. Wait and see :D

So put up more examples then not only one that shows it in a bad light ;)

Whoever I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

Oh i'm sure! I get that feeling everytime i switch my NVGs on and walk around. I gave that example of stary though because in the context of the thread it made sense.

A counter example could be when i looted a western heli crash yesterday, I found;

1 m4 magpul acog

1 m24

1 l85 holo

1 NVGs

1 coyote

and a couple of meds and ammo

That stuff is still there, just it isnt all over the place :)

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But why is my challenge?

Ok we get this is an RP server but it's enjoyable to have nice gear? I get that it's been X amount of years since it all began but I only see another negative outcome for the server population if you keep reducing high end gear to heli crashes.

I myself am a gear whore but in the sense I like having something I like in weaponry rather than being forced to own something like a M4 or a common AK. To be honest lots of people do just look at the gear thread people enjoy showing their stuff off.

Please just don't cut your nose off to spite your face this is still DayZ let us enjoy the variety that can be implemented with weaponry.

The above run through of the new loot table at Stary sounds terrible!! Surely you cutting the loot will cause more banditry? I see people who are already scared to walk around with a nice gun "on show" (which is crazy it's only a gun). I don't want this to become more of a stealth game for some people who avoid player interaction because they end up finding a super rare M4.

That said I do like the whole customisation piece!!

This is a good and valid point, but there have always been people that get a rare gun then are afraid to walk around with it.

I would not be to worried though, at most it will just be harder and more time consuming to find the good stuff.

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However I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

The people who will avoid player interaction because of their gear are just the kind of people that SHOULD NOT be on this server. The main purpose of this is community is roleplay.

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Calm down and chill out. DayZRP is about RP not the gear. It's just a nice side activity :D

It isn't like everything is gone away and in fact there is MUCH new stuff and changes in loot to that too. Just because certain things are nerfed doesn't mean everything is. Wait and see :D

So put up more examples then not only one that shows it in a bad light ;)

Whoever I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

Oh i'm sure! I get that feeling everytime i switch my NVGs on and walk around. I gave that example of stary though because in the context of the thread it made sense.

A counter example could be when i looted a western heli crash yesterday, I found;

1 m4 magpul acog

1 m24

1 l85 holo

1 NVGs

1 coyote

and a couple of meds and ammo

That stuff is still there, just it isnt all over the place :)

^^^

Likewise just found a pkm and a ghille and other goodies last restart. :)

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However I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

The people who will avoid player interaction because of their gear are just the kind of people that SHOULD NOT be on this server. The main purpose of this is community is roleplay.

Agreed but there isn't anyway for staff to ensure that plus you could have every intention to be a great RPer and stumble across Erm a DMR and be like ok not playing because it's so pretty even a civ would initiate ha ha!

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Oh i'm sure! I get that feeling everytime i switch my NVGs on and walk around. I gave that example of stary though because in the context of the thread it made sense.

A counter example could be when i looted a western heli crash yesterday, I found;

1 m4 magpul acog

1 m24

1 l85 holo

1 NVGs

1 coyote

and a couple of meds and ammo

That stuff is still there, just it isnt all over the place :)

But heli crashes are found once in a blue moon ! :(

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I personally look forward to things being rarer. Shiny things are nice to have but ultimately we are a RP community. I really don't care what kind of weapon I have.

Actually ammo for the weapons should be harder to find, every bullet should be precious. Ammo/weapons could be used as trade/currency due to their value.

In an apocalypse 2 years down the line, weapons especially high end weapons would be as rare as rocking horse shit (pardon the phrase). But like Tamaster said the high end weapons haven't gone they are just harder to come by. Imagine your joy when you come across a rare weapon...ooooo the excitement.

At the end of the day some people will like it and some will not. You cannot please everyone. These changes are never set in stone, lets 'try before you buy'. If you have an issue express your opinion after you have experienced it.

+1 from me.

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However I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

The people who will avoid player interaction because of their gear are just the kind of people that SHOULD NOT be on this server. The main purpose of this is community is roleplay.

Lets not get hasty here, as long as someones following the rules of this community they can play on this server. Some people only RP with their clan mates and that's perfectly fine.

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However I agree it's about RP I still think you'll see people avoiding player interaction because some weapons or gear will be super duper rare you mark my words Tam "Mark my words!!!!!!" :P

The people who will avoid player interaction because of their gear are just the kind of people that SHOULD NOT be on this server. The main purpose of this is community is roleplay.

What about the people who go like "SHIT THIS GUY GOT A PKP LET'S ROB HIM" ?

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But why is my challenge?

Ok we get this is an RP server but it's enjoyable to have nice gear? I get that it's been X amount of years since it all began but I only see another negative outcome for the server population if you keep reducing high end gear to heli crashes.

I myself am a gear whore but in the sense I like having something I like in weaponry rather than being forced to own something like a M4 or a common AK. To be honest lots of people do just look at the gear thread people enjoy showing their stuff off.

Please just don't cut your nose off to spite your face this is still DayZ let us enjoy the variety that can be implemented with weaponry.

The above run through of the new loot table at Stary sounds terrible!! Surely you cutting the loot will cause more banditry? I see people who are already scared to walk around with a nice gun "on show" (which is crazy it's only a gun). I don't want this to become more of a stealth game for some people who avoid player interaction because they end up finding a super rare M4.

That said I do like the whole customisation piece!!

The point of the change is that the entire server is not fully geared the same day the wipe happens. There should be a gearing progress, starting with low-end loot, upgrading it, finding some better stuff and progressing at least for some time before you reach the high-end segment. Right now this progress is non-existent as you stumble upon heaps of weapons and equipment pretty much instantly after respawning. I think it this will make it both rewarding and challenging for people to acquire the better weapons and equipment. Those who are too afraid to play because they have managed to acquire good gear should really re-think the whole purpose of playing this game ;)

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-SNIP-

The people who will avoid player interaction because of their gear are just the kind of people that SHOULD NOT be on this server. The main purpose of this is community is roleplay.

I think this was a little strong. Gear whores can be rephrased as 'supply specialists'. Just because they like gear does not mean they are shit RP'ers. Anyway before yet another thread gets off topic a suggest we concentrate on what the OP has said.

Thanks

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I like it.

Or well, naturally I like it. Im the kind of guy that would preferably have people fight to the death over a can of beans, that's how rare I want it.

If I had to make a personal preferance, I'd say ammo should be considerably rarer then the guns. Oldman is right because guns do not decay, they are not "expended". Some of them may rust however, so it would be cool with more rusty m4's or the like and less normal ones, and with some sort of "jam" system.

Ammo however is expended. Even if the CTC or UEF would be making new ammo in workshops, its hard to massproduce the stuff at enough quantity at the rate people are using it. So ammo should become increasingly rare. A gun aint worth much without bullets, so there's still a balance there.

Regardless, im happy with stuff being generally more rare overral. Cant wait for 1.4.1.

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