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Mayday Protest (Seattle, Washington)

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So much like multiple places here in Seattle we have our yearly Mayday protest. Which consists of Anarchists, Communists, and just anti-capitalists in general. Usually by the end a few hundred people have been arrested and around one hundred injured. I myself am a Communist and attend these rallies and was wondering if any of you have them around you and if you do how large are they. Here are some pictures from this years. It is still ongoing but I left early due to being hit in the neck and that making me very nauseous. If this thread is in anyway not aloud on the fourms, im sorry and feel free to close it. It was not meant to evoke any rebellious emotions but just to educate people on the current state of Seattle, Washington. PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS TURN INTO A FLAME THREAD, I WOULD LIKE THIS THREAD TO REMAIN OPEN AND DONT WANT TO SEE IT CLOSED BECAUSE PEOPLE ENJOY ARGUEMENTS.

-pictures removed, wrong message was taken by my posting of them-

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Tsk, tsk.

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Those picture with the anarchist trying to break the glass doors..see that is why I agree with all the arresting of protesters and using force against them. Once you start breaking other peoples property or simply stuff that doesn't belong to you, you cross the line of being no better than those using force against you to protect said properties. I don't think breaking stuff raises any more awareness to any topic or helps the cause, it actually just irritates people more and drives them away, plain stupidity to break property. Nothing to gain from that except the "hate" of people and because some people protest like this it harms the peaceful protesters too and makes their job harder. Those violent elements seek to turn a protests into riots and forces the hands of the police to use harsh measures and after that they go and cry in public about "police brutality" old trick that is getting old.

Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest that doesn't harm anyone.

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-Clever Statement-

I agree with you 100% on everything said. The only issue is you cannot punish everyone due to the work of Anarchists. While I was there I saw random people being pulled into a group of police and detained for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. I myself was injured due to the fact I was pushed while helping someone up, then hit again when an officer supposedly thought I was being aggressive towards him. So yes I do agree with you, but I feel that the police do use an unneeded use of force in some situations; and they can try and take in the entire situation before acting on a single person who may of done something wrong.

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-Clever Statement-

I agree with you 100% on everything said. The only issue is you cannot punish everyone due to the work of Anarchists. While I was there I saw random people being pulled into a group of police and detained for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. I myself was injured due to the fact I was pushed while helping someone up, then hit again when an officer supposedly thought I was being aggressive towards him. So yes I do agree with you, but I feel that the police do use an unneeded use of force in some situations; and they can try and take in the entire situation before acting on a single person who may of done something wrong.

So you...congregate, cause mayhem, destroy property, and get people hurt in the process... and then when someone comes along to rationalize and set order, you blame them for unnecessary force?

Doesn't quite make sense to me.

#baiting xD

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Although it is baiting still want to respond. More then 80% of us didnt go to cause mayhem. We went to convey our message and share what we think in a peaceful and nondestructive manner. I get mad when innocent people are hurt in situations that could easily be avoided.

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I knew you were a commie! Wait what are you doing in the land of "freedom" then :troll:

I totally agree with TightPants on this

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Land of the free, so I may convert them to my commi way of life muhahaha. In all seriousness.I also agree with him, but read my response. A quick summary is ”punish the guilty, not everyone”

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I am all for different views in society. Everyone has the right to choose their party in America. I would like to hear your views on communism. Because from a historical standpoint, it doesn't work.

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-Clever Statement-

I agree with you 100% on everything said. The only issue is you cannot punish everyone due to the work of Anarchists. While I was there I saw random people being pulled into a group of police and detained for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. I myself was injured due to the fact I was pushed while helping someone up, then hit again when an officer supposedly thought I was being aggressive towards him. So yes I do agree with you, but I feel that the police do use an unneeded use of force in some situations; and they can try and take in the entire situation before acting on a single person who may of done something wrong.

Well you can't blame the police entirely for that. The thing is that many polices forces are required to base their actions of what will cause less damage in that situation. They need to think about all collateral damage one action might cause to people, property, environment etc. They simply cant use the most effective way to deal with the whole situation if it would cause too much collateral damage and there are actions available that will cause less collateral damage. So they could simply tear gas/OC or water the whole crowd and then go pick those masked guys or supposed rioters. Yet that would clearly cause too much collateral damage so they have to choose another approach. Like picking people from the crowd and detaining them in order to get the crowd in control. Less collateral damage.

The thing is that in riot there is always going to be those bystanders getting harmed, somehow that's something that people don't understand. So you stand in a riot you are placing yourself in a risk, whatever you are just standing there thinking that "none can touch you" or you are helping someone else to get out of that situation. It's naive to think that the rioters wouldn't use the crowd as a cover for their actions and so they could get away from the police. See they too have an agenda. Not everyone is like that of course but there are some who will use the opportunity or why do you think that they would start a riot in a protest that was meant to be peaceful?

And also the Police doesn't know who is with the rioters and who isn't and that's why bystanders get detained too. To avoid this the peaceful participants need to also condemn the action of these anarchist who cause riots instead of simply pointing their fingers at police, who after all are doing their job. It's easy to say that in a riot it would be easy for police to avoid detaining or even hurting bystanders but it's not actually that easy since there are rules of engagement, laws, guidelines that Police need to base their actions on and they cannot go and break these rules of engagement.

Sure there are cases where less force could have been used and countries where the Police acts differently and with even more radical methods. But in the end the fault doesn't lie in the Police alone. It's just too easy to blame them when things go wrong.

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I agree still, I think its the fact my left leg was hit three times with a metal baton for helping a guy up. No ROE or laws call for something like that to happen, and I am positive that they could of followed the rules and not of done that.


I am more specifically a Marxist, the arguement I usually pull out is in ”communist” nations the ideals of Marx are almost NEVER followed. Which makes all of those nations noncommunistic and just macerating as one.

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Long story short people like you make the police use force and get others hurt, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Communism doesn't work, and anarchists are just composed of edgy morons in general. I doubt any of those businesses did anything to them, so I have little sympathy, sorry.

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Communism, based on the theories of Marx and socialism are failed systems that only deprive economy and allow for no growth and no reward. It creates a stagnant government run industrialized complex.

-Me a Constitutionalist Libertarian Conservative, Economics major, Veteran.

But really if you'd like for me to explain why communism is a failed type of government, I'd be more than willing to teach you the ways young Jedi.

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Long story short people like you make the police use force and get others hurt, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Communism doesn't work, and anarchists are just composed of edgy morons in general. I doubt any of those businesses did anything to them, so I have little sympathy, sorry.

A few things. First of all I was not looking for sympathy, I was wondering on what you thought about the protests (which you did say) and if there are any around you (Which you did not). I also requested that posts like this not be made to make this thread stay open and avoid out of control arguments (which you just set the template for). Not on the topic of "people like me". I am a person who uses all of the rights I have in the United States to the fullest of the extent. That includes peacefully protesting. I did nothing to provoke any form of force besides move onto the road to help a man stand up, then got shoved forward. I didn't cause harm of anyone (that I know of, thinking back I dont think it was possible at all that I did). Thank you for your input on it, but personal hate when using the word like "you" is unneeded and I dont want it here.


Communism, based on the theories of Marx and socialism are failed systems that only deprive economy and allow for no growth and no reward. It creates a stagnant government run industrialized complex.

-Me a Constitutionalist Libertarian Conservative, Economics major, Veteran.

But really if you'd like for me to explain why communism is a failed type of government, I'd be more than willing to teach you the ways young Jedi.

The way I see ideals (Communism, Socialism, Anarchy, Capitalism, Facism, Ect) is that under the correct circumstances they could work. I always compare them to a science experiment; at some "trials" they will work and others will fail with reasons that are unexpected. Realistically the only issue with Anarchy is the fact people are dumb shits and wouldn't be capable of handling it. I dont see how you can sit there and state that Socialism is a failed system when many first word countries have a gigantic Socialist influence. Just a few of those are Canada, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, and Norway. Getting back on topic yes all systems do have flaws and will work for some and fail for others. I personally see the possibility of a Communist government when put in the right circumstances. Thats just me, im not looking to start a debate about it.

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I am positive that they could of followed the rules and not of done that.

Isn't that sort of contradictory in itself? You're all about "anarchy" and "Communism", but you're complaining that they didn't follow the rules?

It seems like a really baseless cause to rebel towards, and no offense--but very juvenile.

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I am positive that they could of followed the rules and not of done that.

Isn't that sort of contradictory in itself? You're all about "anarchy" and "Communism", but you're complaining that they didn't follow the rules?

It seems like a really baseless cause to rebel towards, and no offense--but very juvenile.

Im not an Anarchist... Communism and Anarchy are in no way the same thing. I didn't even rebel to make it clear I went with a group to form a peaceful protest where all we did was talk to the news and say why we were there. A clear difference between us and Anarchists is the fact we kept are faces uncovered and talked to the news while the Anarchist just blocked the camera and wore masks.

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The thing is you took part in the protests like you said, but if you were really against what others were doing then it would be logical to make a separate protest away from them. Otherwise, you become a part of them. Also, it is a bit ironic that you talk about all your rights yet support communism which in the past has proven to give little to none. Also to answer your question, there were none here. I am hardly flaming or hating here, just being realistic. The point of these protests is either to cause destruction or do absolutely nothing, so at the end of the day it is literally pointless.

Also, to address your anarchist scenario that "seems to work" I'll lay it out for you how people normally don't think about this.

1. People get very angry at the police because of brutality, "the government should fear us, not the other way around!"

2. People talk of revolution against the government

3. Revolution happens, only half of military would join civs at most

4. Catastrophic casualties, most likely in the hundreds of thousands depending on how big the sides are and weapons. Mostly because civs don't have the means to combat jets and tanks.

5. Either 1/3 of the U.S population is killed and they win or lose, but lets say they win.

6. Hooray! Freedom and no rules. Anarchy for days!

7. Rape, murder, etc are all common expectancy every day.

8. People get tired of it

9. Set up government and police force to combat crime

"gee that sure was pointless"

tl;dr anarchism is dumb

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Well, first of all. You dont understand how I got into that situation in the first place. So let me explain really quick. We started on the other side of the city, we were not holding a march or anything of the sort, just handing out papers and talking. What happened was that the Anarchists started moving around the city and in the part I was talking about ended where we were. Me being myself saw someone fall on the ground and went to help them, why? Because I generally care about people no matter what side they are on. If I saw an officer fall on the ground I would help him up. In terms of your statement on rights, all I can say is your looking in the past of Communism while im looking in the future. And finally what you said about Anarchy is right; im not an Anarchist... I was just pointing out that was an ideal that some people have.

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How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

-Ronald Reagan

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Guest neom

We used to have protests in London till they got really out of hand and the police went apeshit and it hasn't happened since

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Guest Ketamine

We used to have protests in London till they got really out of hand and the police went apeshit and it hasn't happened since

Yeah the Manchester riots where really bad, I personally think anarchy is stupid if you have a point to portray you don't go around being destructive it does nothing.

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I agree with you,but I do see the point being how Anarchists protest. To show fear and weakness in government. I personally am a fan of PEACEFUL protests, and have been known to take part in them.

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