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Hostage called for help - Kill him?


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  • Emerald

MiketheVike and I were practicing initiations and such on a private server and we came across this situation:

We had this disarmed, we did what we wanted with them, and then they say "But my boys heard everything, and they're on their way. You're going to regret this."

My character's first response was "Sigh... I wish you hadn't done that. You could have walked away from this!" And blow his brains out and run before his reinforcements get here.

My question is: Do I really need to say "If you call for help I will shoot you." in order to have the right to do that? I figure it's implied that if you call for help to come and kill people that are holding you up, that you're threatening those kidnappers directly, and that they have the right to kill you for that, because he is doing everything he can in his position to harm you.

I really wish I didn't have to ask this, but I don't want to get banned for being realistic IC.

EDIT: Actually, depending on his demeanor and how much he knew about us, we might just "knock him out" and leave with either chloroform or roleplay.

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  • Emerald

This is why I used to take mine at least a one KM away from the robbery point with no radio :D.

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  • Emerald

We came across a situation quite recently when taking someone hostage. They called in for backup and had people in the area so damn close to us. Best thing you can do is run the hell out of the area with the hostage if you even suspect they've called backup in. As far as I'm aware, you cannot shoot them if they say they called backup in, for all you know they're bluffing.

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Now the rules are changed a little you can't kill a hostage unless he is a threat to you not his friends he has to be the threat. e.g. He tries to run, takes out a weapon and tries to kill you, or you tell him to stay sat down and he gets up and moved. You can't just shoot unarmed hostages if he has friends on the way I don't think.

Only exception would if you had execution rights.

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  • Legend

What james has said is correct you cannot kill a hostage who is unarmed unless he poses a threat by not following your instructions, Picking up a weapon etc.

You can execute the victim if you have valid reason to do so (Belongs to a clan that is registered as enemy on your Clan thread)

The best thing to do is to move the victim to another location once he/she has dropped the radio and is frisked correctly

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  • MVP

We came across a situation quite recently when taking someone hostage. They called in for backup and had people in the area so damn close to us. Best thing you can do is run the hell out of the area with the hostage if you even suspect they've called backup in. As far as I'm aware, you cannot shoot them if they say they called backup in, for all you know they're bluffing.

This is a decent representation of what you should do.

If he doesn't run, then you can kill him. Him stalling in that scenario is putting you at risk.

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  • Emerald

What if you release him if you are under fire and he is no longer your hostage but you still have KOS on him as his clan is shooting at you?

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  • Legend

What if you release him if you are under fire an dhe is no longer your hostage but you still have KOS on him as his clan is shooting at you?

He is technically still unarmed and poses no risk to the group. If you see him pick up a weapon or given a weapon in a treeline then by all means you should take action.

The new rule was implemented to create more RP during Robberies and situations. It was brought up as not being fair to kill everyone over one person not complying.

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  • Emerald

The bottom line is you can't kill your hostage without a good reason. Also by call for help do you mean them shouting out loud at people saying they are being hostage or them radioing their friends?

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  • Emerald

Calling in friends is a hostile act in my eyes therefore you can kill him. Had younot taken his radio away from him?

It depends on how the hostage puts it to be honest. If they say "Oh by the way, I radioed my friends and they're going to kill you all" then you could possibly kill them depending on the situation, I personally wouldn't though risk it though. If they say "My friends are coming for you" or something like that, then it would not really warrant you killing them would it?

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  • Legend

Calling in friends is a hostile act in my eyes therefore you can kill him. Had younot taken his radio away from him?

Technically yes but under the rules hostages are not to be harmed if they pose no threat. Robberies should be planned to take into account situations like this, how could you prove he isn't just lying to get out of the situation quickly or put the attackers on edge abit more?

To be honest I don't know why you would even say your friends are coming the element of surprise is always the best method :)

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  • Sapphire

If you can Roleplay it out well anything is legit....

If he reported you for that i would put that down to straight ruleplay as IC you probably would kill him for that

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  • Emerald

Calling in friends is a hostile act in my eyes therefore you can kill him. Had younot taken his radio away from him?

Technically yes but under the rules hostages are not to be harmed if they pose no threat. Robberies should be planned to take into account situations like this, how could you prove he isn't just lying to get out of the situation quickly or put the attackers on edge abit more?

To be honest I don't know why you would even say your friends are coming the element of surprise is always the best method :)

Roleplay over ruleplay, the guy has just threatened you, yes he has no weaponry, but still poses an indirect threat. If he said that to me I would of shot him, he is essentially saying "I've called my friends on the radio, they're going to kill you". That's worthy of a bullet to the brain.

In ruleplay terms he is unarmed and supposedly shows no signs of threat, even though its quite the opposite, whilst roleplay + logic would dictate he is a threat, remove the threat.

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  • Emerald

If you can Roleplay it out well anything is legit....

If he reported you for that i would put that down to straight ruleplay as IC you probably would kill him for that

I mean that's how I want it, really.

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  • Legend

Roleplay over ruleplay, the guy has just threatened you, yes he has no weaponry, but still poses an indirect threat. If he said that to me I would of shot him, he is essentially saying "I've called my friends on the radio, they're going to kill you". That's worthy of a bullet to the brain.

In ruleplay terms he is unarmed and supposedly shows no signs of threat, even though its quite the opposite, whilst roleplay + logic would dictate he is a threat, remove the threat.

The other point to all this is if the guy says he has friends on the way why not frisk him for a radio, make a perimeter and move out as fast as you can. The whole group doesn't have to escort the prisoner you could move out in different directions so if spotted the friends wouldn't know exactly which way their ally is being taken.

As said before the hostage rule was added to increase RP. Robberies and Good Samaritan have to be planned out more and it gives the chance for the victim to get out of the situation rather than being instantly shot because someone fired a gun close to initiators.

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How about then:

Hostage calls for backup/says he has.

You then start taking fire.

Would you not be able to kill him? Seems like fairly good reasoning to me...

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  • Legend

How about then:

Hostage calls for backup/says he has.

You then start taking fire.

Would you not be able to kill him? Seems like fairly good reasoning to me...

How would you know its his backup maybe just random civ's using good Samaritan?

The way the rules are now no hostage is to be killed without a valid reason unless he is a threat to you himself

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How about then:

Hostage calls for backup/says he has.

You then start taking fire.

Would you not be able to kill him? Seems like fairly good reasoning to me...

How would you know its his backup maybe just random civ's using good Samaritan?

The way the rules are now no hostage is to be killed without a valid reason unless he is a threat to you himself

That's the point.

If he doesn't want to value his life and threaten his hostage takers, if someone GS then surely it's his fault because he's basically told them he called the back-up.

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  • Emerald

That's when I wish I could just hit him in the head with my rifle and walk all badass saying "take up positions, gentlemen. Were entertaining some guests shortly.

And then initiate on them once they come upon the knocked out hostage.

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  • Legend

That's when I wish I could just hit him in the head with my rifle and walk all badass saying "take up positions, gentlemen. Were entertaining some guests shortly.

And then initiate on them once they come upon the knocked out hostage.

Sounds good. Initiators can still 'harm' victims just not kill them. Would like to see a animation of hitting someone with your gun :P

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  • Sapphire

That's when I wish I could just hit him in the head with my rifle and walk all badass saying "take up positions, gentlemen. Were entertaining some guests shortly.

And then initiate on them once they come upon the knocked out hostage.

So do that just get chloroform write *Smack man in the head with the butt of his rifle* and the scroll and chloroform him as you say it :P

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