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Can we say communism or die? It has been done in real life before, would happen in a post apocalyptic situation, so why int in DayZRP?

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Communist man: ''Be a communist or die!''

Dude: ''Ok, i'm a communist now.''

Communist man: ''Oh, coolios, you may go now.''

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Rick    19

I think it would be better that instead of trying to force it, you just promote it. The entire point of communism is that it is a populace revolution. It completely defeats the purpose if you force it on people. It would be better instead to try to convince people it is the right course of action (and no, not by gunpoint :P), and help/befriend those who do.

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Moose    7

Had something like this happen to me with Servants of Satan a while back. They said that if I didnt become a Satanist they would sacrifice me so I just went "Uhh.. Okay? Im a Satanist, can I go now?" It kinda got awkward from there and they just let me go...

I dont think that kind of roleplay should be valid because it is more or less making decisions for another player's character. Also I think the whole "Communism or die" thing is getting kind of exhausted. "Why not capitalism or die" :troll:

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TightPants    0

Had something like this happen to me with Servants of Satan a while back. They said that if I didnt become a Satanist they would sacrifice me so I just went "Uhh.. Okay? Im a Satanist, can I go now?" It kinda got awkward from there and they just let me go...

I dont think that kind of roleplay should be valid because it is more or less making decisions for another player's character. Also I think the whole "Communism or die" thing is getting kind of exhausted. "Why not capitalism or die" :troll:

Because capitalism is all ready death so it would be choosing death or death.

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Moose    7

Had something like this happen to me with Servants of Satan a while back. They said that if I didnt become a Satanist they would sacrifice me so I just went "Uhh.. Okay? Im a Satanist, can I go now?" It kinda got awkward from there and they just let me go...

I dont think that kind of roleplay should be valid because it is more or less making decisions for another player's character. Also I think the whole "Communism or die" thing is getting kind of exhausted. "Why not capitalism or die" :troll:

Because capitalism is all ready death so it would be choosing death or death.

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Othuyeg    20

My face when a "communist" wants my character to turn into communism while he hoards everything to himself and my character goes around distributing the fruits of his own scavenging and medical training.

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Uriki    0

its along the line of "If your hart beats one more time i'll kil you!!"

then you die.

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Stagsview    624

You there cake or death!!!!?

Ahhh cake please :D

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Voodoo    487

Bringing it back on topic

I cant see a massive problem unless your robbing someone. Although as Rolle said it is powergaming. Robbing isn't communism, stopping someone and sharing out supplies is.

Communism is all about being equal, no one is better than the other. This was always the argument with 501st and SKA. SKA would say they were communist although they were robbing and such, 501st would attempt to give out supplies so everyone had basic stuff and had food and drink to keep them going (that was until the raids got constant and we couldn't do the supply runs anymore :P )

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Guest Shākya   
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Robbing isn't communism, stopping someone and sharing out supplies is.

Communism is all about being equal, no one is better than the other. This was always the argument with 501st and SKA. SKA would say they were communist although they were robbing and such, 501st would attempt to give out supplies so everyone had basic stuff and had food and drink to keep them going (that was until the raids got constant and we couldn't do the supply runs anymore :P )

I think this is a massive over-generalisation of what communism actually is. Communism is effectively a system based on common ownership of wealth and the means of production and there is many different types of communism. The most popular being Marxist-Leninist Communism which highly focus on the class struggle of proletariat (workers) against the bourgeoisie (the rich).

Under Marxist-Leninist Communism (the official stance of the Soviet Union) which I assume the CSR follow it advocates a Dictatorship of the Proletariat rather that a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. This in turn allows for complete Proletariat control over the newly formed state. You say that under Communism "no one is better than the other" however if you look at treatment of the rich and upper classes during the Communist Revolutions of the past then you will see otherwise.

If you look at all forms of Major Communism throughout history i.e. the Soviet Union and Communist China, you will see that these ideals didn't work out very well in practise. This also led for evil people to come into power in these communist countries and a lot of terrible things happened such as the Purges, Gulag, Great Leap Forward and Mao's attacks on 'Counter Revolutionaries'.

I disagree with the point you made whereby you said, "Robbing isn't Communism" this simply isn't true. It is fair to assume that a Communist in Chernarus would view someone with a lot of weapons and gear to themselves as greedy and would therefore rob him in order to distribute the wealth of gear amongst the people. This would be a perfectly justifiable reason in game for a communist to rob someone else. Much the same thing happened in the Chinese Communist revolution under Mao which I mentioned earlier whereby supporters of Mao executed and stole from many rich and western aligned people calling them 'Counter Revolutionaries'.

In response to the initial question, I do not think it is a good idea to go around and say 'Communism or Die'. We've had enough of that kind of roleplay in the past and it gets boring after a while and doesn't really contribute much to the general roleplay of the server. I'd suggest going down a different route and choose some other ways to spread communism. Maybe make people take part in some sort of forced 'de-capitalisation' or 're-education' schools where you forcefully teach them the ways of Communism. If after that if they refuse to accept your ways then I can see lots of fun ways to deal with them other than simply just killing them. Good luck! :P

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SweetJoe    387

The truth is people use it as an excuse to kill people. Ive seen people kill other communists this way by suddenly turning capitalist. It is just an excuse to rdm people. Its power gaming at its worst. And if you have 5 people to help you its almost like god modeing...you can roll into an area and kill everyone because they are not communist or green skinned or because they dont have a unicorn horn and fart rainbows(shout out to brian.).

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Chris    63

You there cake or death!!!!?

Ahhh cake please :D

I love you for this!

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Nihoolious    1248

Anyone who decides to use communism as an excuse to kill and rob others shouldn't even call themselves one. The way the OP worded it, it doesn't even sound like the people who are making this claim even know what communism is. Shakya explained several different forms of communism above, some of which might result in a similar situation as to what the OP was talking about, but not exactly.

What you should be doing, if it follows your particular version of "communism," is robbing/executing people who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, the wealthy, and those who of course appose communism. These are very extreme actions, but your group sounds like you would practice them. I personally have never met the group or even read the clan page for that matter (to do list), nor would I ever practice any of these things IG. It doesn't fit with the particular version of communism I follow both IC and IRL.

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Whitefur    4

In DA I robbed someone and forced them to eat beans.... ya DA was kinda weird....

Back on topic: It really is just a lame excuse to rob someone. Although I have been robbed for less then that, so who knows...

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Doc    3

Communist Roleplayer: "Follow the ideas of Communism or we will kill you!"

John Smith: "Sorry, I'm Catholic...."

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Sin    127

Why is everyone so obsessed with communism?

Russia wasn't, and hadn't been communist for a long time before DayZ.

The nearest communists to Chernarus are in fucking Laos.

Staaaaaahhhp with the communism already.

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Guest King   
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Buh, budiful communism

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Guest Otmel Strangler   
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Bringing it back on topic

I cant see a massive problem unless your robbing someone. Although as Rolle said it is powergaming. Robbing isn't communism, stopping someone and sharing out supplies is.

Communism is all about being equal, no one is better than the other. This was always the argument with 501st and SKA. SKA would say they were communist although they were robbing and such, 501st would attempt to give out supplies so everyone had basic stuff and had food and drink to keep them going (that was until the raids got constant and we couldn't do the supply runs anymore :P )

Well, what Shākya said plus this: Open any history book and the picture becomes a lot more complicated with any ideology. In the West, for instance, Buddhism is often considered to be ultimately a peaceful, nonviolent religion. This image isn't exactly congruent with, say, religious violence i contemporary Sri Lanka, forced conversions in Myanmar, or historical suppression of native faiths in Tibet and Mongolia. Individual persuasion is beside the point.

Nobody can seriously argue that the Muslim Conquests were un-Islamic, or that the crusades, Charlemagne's expansions (etc. ad nauseum) were uncharacteristic of Christianity even if both religions would agree that it's ultimately nicer to shake hands than chop them off. With communism, as with anything else, there is a gap between the real and ideal - and equally the path to attain the ideal state is not necessarily an ideal one either. Not to mention in western democracies. Is The Communist Manifesto and it's entirety of ideological contents "true" Communism? Obviously, but arguably so were the Holodomor and the gulags. Some communist guerillas in Latin America are effectively drug cartels. These are not mutually exclusive.

Otherwise I sort of agree with Sin (Laos, though?), but I should add that most development countries in the world have some sort of self-identified socialist or communist organisation with varying degrees of militarism. There is not reason why there shouldn't be one in Chernarus, especially as the civil war would make for an excellent ideological spring board. Besides, it fuels the Dragons' cause.

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