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So called "Communism"

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Does anyone see a problem with how many people are going around as "Soviet Russians" and promoting communism, when communism hasn't existed in any recognizable for in Russia since the dissolution of the USSR into the Russian Federation? (Early 90's?)

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Deadplex    0

I to do not really like the idea nor do I think it makes since and is realistic but to be honest I say if a groups wants to be a bunch of soviets then hell let them be! MURICA!!!!

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Tomeran    3

The strong history of communism in Russia could make sense for one or possible two groups once in a while using it as a background, but I'll agree that its definetly been overdone recently. But the same could be said for a lot of things, so im not really sure its a problem that sticks out enough from all the other background cliches out there.

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Snow    1

And the fact that the USSR wasn't exactly communist.

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I'm not saying you can't be a communist, I'm just saying that modern Russia is NOT communist.

There will always be Communist-nostalgists out there, just not nearly as many as are portrayed in DayZRP.

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Slute    1

Yeah it definitely seems to be a common factor on all New Russian clans.

Thinking about it though, if there were to be an actual apocalypse, im sure tons of military would turn to communism. There is no rival country telling them otherwise so they would be free to do whatever they want.

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BattleBoltZ    0

Also I just want to point out that the Soviets did not even claim to be communist for a long time, they claimed to be socialist. The Soviets never practiced communism, there was still a huge difference between the rich and poor. Lastly I have never seen or even heard of a clan practicing even true socialism beliefs much less the extreme communist ones.

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Guest Vespah   
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Its a bit weird. Why all these Russians who have a hugely armed surplus of supplies and weapons would all migrate to Chernarus in an Apocalypse. Or why in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse, people would be promoting Communism without even establishing a community or order to Chernarus.

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Most clans, including those in SKA, do not perform proper Marxism, or communism. If I was communist, I would confiscate illegal weapons from civilians, but also protect them, I would do my job protecting them, and they would do their job procuring supplies for me to do that, or some other greater effort towards the common goal. What almost every "communist" group does is rob people of everything they own, and leave them to die, without any support from their leaders, and basically a dictatorship, with them being worse with the idea of communism than Stalin. I want to see a Trotskyist communism-based group, where they will confiscate your weapons, but nothing else, and give you a chance to apply for their licenses, and always return a "civilian legal" weapon to you after confiscating your illegal one. Please "communists", make communism something like Marx and Engles had dreamed of, not something more degenerate than Stalinism, just so you can use shitty Russian accents and call people "Capitalist Pigs", even though, through stealing from others for personal gain instead of sharing all your wealth, you are capitalists too.

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Most clans, including those in SKA, do not perform proper Marxism, or communism. If I was communist, I would confiscate illegal weapons from civilians, but also protect them, I would do my job protecting them, and they would do their job procuring supplies for me to do that, or some other greater effort towards the common goal. What almost every "communist" group does is rob people of everything they own, and leave them to die, without any support from their leaders, and basically a dictatorship, with them being worse with the idea of communism than Stalin. I want to see a Trotskyist communism-based group, where they will confiscate your weapons, but nothing else, and give you a chance to apply for their licenses, and always return a "civilian legal" weapon to you after confiscating your illegal one. Please "communists", make communism something like Marx and Engles had dreamed of, not something more degenerate than Stalinism, just so you can use shitty Russian accents and call people "Capitalist Pigs", even though, through stealing from others for personal gain instead of sharing all your wealth, you are capitalists too.

On this note if anyone made a group like this, I'd gladly hel pout with it.

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BeastMade    0

well if people wants to RP that way then let them do that. i think its better that these "U.S super soldier terminator" characters....

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A, B and C all have 100 rupias. C buys vodka with 30 rupias and liebuskha with 20. C now has 50 rupias. A and B have to give 16,5 rupias to C because they are richer. If A and B do not pay, they will be moved to gulag to work for the people.

Communism in a nutshell.

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Frisia    8

A, B and C all have 100 rupias. C buys vodka with 30 rupias and liebuskha with 20. C now has 50 rupias. A and B have to give 16,5 rupias to C because they are richer. If A and B do not pay, they will be moved to gulag to work for the people.

Communism in a nutshell.

Daily reminder that currency doesnt exist in communism.

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Apfelsator    2

A, B and C all have 100 rupias. C buys vodka with 30 rupias and liebuskha with 20. C now has 50 rupias. A and B have to give 16,5 rupias to C because they are richer. If A and B do not pay, they will be moved to gulag to work for the people.

Communism in a nutshell.

You have no real clue what the idea of "communism" stands for, am i right?

It would be more like:

A produces wodka(has the knowledge to do it)

B produces potatoes(has the knowledge to do it)

C produces bread(has the knowledge to do it)

So now A will ask B for some potatoes to make wodka as they are needed to make it.

B gives the potatoes to A and ask's how to make wodka.

A teaches B how to make it and they do it together.

C comes around with some bread he/she made and they all sit down to eat and drink and share their knowledge/stories.

In comparison to capitalism:

A produces wodka(has the knowledge to do it)

B produces potatoes(has the knowledge to do it)

C produces bread(has the knowledge to do it)

D "produces" some paper "currency"

So now A will ask B for some potatoes to make wodka as they are needed to make it.

B gives the potatoes to A and ask's how to make wodka.

A teaches B how to make it and they do it together.

C comes around to share some bread for some wodka.

Now D knocks on the door and demands his share of everything so A, B and C can use his "currency" to buy the things they produces.

D does nothing but is still rich and oppresses the others.

EDIT:

I used the same "propaganda" writing style as you did, so you understand more easily ;)

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I don't think there is an issue with groups running around promoting communism. I think the issue is when those groups claim to be sent from the Russian government or any other non communist government. For example when SKA and SVR coexisted, both claimed to be agents of the Russian government but one was from the Russian Federation and the other from the Soviet Union. I think it's important all clans who are real life groups represent them accurately. Otherwise it's cause for a whole lot of conflicting RP.

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Yes the back story behind Communism is fine i mean you can still be Communist even in modern day Russia i'm sure. Although, like Catfish said ,there is a problem with Russian militant groups saying they've been sent by the Russian Government. I mean it is fine for one group to do it and, if another group says the same thing act like they are friends or backup, maybe two but seven or so is not as much good with the RP.

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Bob    0

And the fact that the USSR wasn't exactly communist.

I agree, communism is the idea on a community, communism. Where are socialism is more of a dictatorship which Russia had. In communism everyone is equal thus personally i don't believe that they were truly communist..

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real    1

There are still communists in Russia even in Ukraine.What is communism in your POV?It's even fun as communists would not go to Chernorusia for only 1 good reason,they can't get anything from it.

Whats difference betwen Soviet Union and Russia Federation?It's same.It was called Soviet Union only beacos there was couple of countries under controll of Russia Federation and they maked Union that was called Soviet Union,orders were given still by same people.

What is this post about Vodka in every sentence?You claim you have idea about communism?I see you have no clue that in Soviet Russia you were not allowed to drink Vodka.As it was compared to a crime.There were rules that you needed to follow or else you will be deported in to Siberia.

Who sayd to you that modern Russia are not related to communists?:D It's same just with modernisation.Still you have no opinion in Russia,presidant of russia server in KGB and he trying to implement rules of old Communism and KGB in to Russia what he realy good at.

Why even discuss it?Whats the point?If people want to play as communist just let them be.Sure they have no idea what it is but w/e just keep playing and enjoy you game.

Stop geting stereotypes with word Russia Vodka/Medvedi/Balalyka.

Ska were good example of communism.They took everything they wanted and claimed it was sharing.

In communism no one were equal.If you Russian you live greate in days of communism if you Ukrainian you get deported in to siberia.

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Sin    127

There are still communists in Russia even in Ukraine.What is communism in your POV?It's even fun as communists would not go to Chernorusia for only 1 good reason,they can't get anything from it.

Whats difference betwen Soviet Union and Russia Federation?It's same.It was called Soviet Union only beacos there was couple of countries under controll of Russia Federation and they maked Union that was called Soviet Union,orders were given still by same people.

What is this post about Vodka in every sentence?You claim you have idea about communism?I see you have no clue that in Soviet Russia you were not allowed to drink Vodka.As it was compared to a crime.There were rules that you needed to follow or else you will be deported in to Siberia.

Who sayd to you that modern Russia are not related to communists?:D It's same just with modernisation.Still you have no opinion in Russia,presidant of russia server in KGB and he trying to implement rules of old Communism and KGB in to Russia what he realy good at.

Why even discuss it?Whats the point?If people want to play as communist just let them be.Sure they have no idea what it is but w/e just keep playing and enjoy you game.

Stop geting stereotypes with word Russia Vodka/Medvedi/Balalyka.

Ska were good example of communism.They took everything they wanted and claimed it was sharing.

In communism no one were equal.If you Russian you live greate in days of communism if you Ukrainian you get deported in to siberia.

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Apfelsator    2

And the fact that the USSR wasn't exactly communist.

I agree, communism is the idea on a community, communism. Where are socialism is more of a dictatorship which Russia had. In communism everyone is equal thus personally i don't believe that they were truly communist..

Well, communism is still a hierarchic system just that the power is concentrated in the state, not in single persons.

If you want a system in wich every is equal and every opinion has the same weight, you should think of anarchism.

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Sin    127

DayZ public hive is anarchism.

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A, B and C all have 100 rupias. C buys vodka with 30 rupias and liebuskha with 20. C now has 50 rupias. A and B have to give 16,5 rupias to C because they are richer. If A and B do not pay, they will be moved to gulag to work for the people.

Communism in a nutshell.

In that case,

A, B and C are all people. A and B are hardly able to keep themselves alive due to lack of money. C doesn't care. C makes lots of money.

Capitalism ;)

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JACKxRAWR    0

I studied History and Politics, and both taught me that in times of hardship and peril for a country, they shift towards more extreme political views. This is how Nazism and Communism became so popular in Germany. It makes sense that with all the crazy shit that went on, people would turn to extreme political views.

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