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Are you army strong? Or how to make your military background better.


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  • Emerald

So you want to roleplay an character who was or is in the military. Well so does many others who come here but most of them fail to achieve believable military history. Many of us are annoyed by the amount of generic super-soldier-ninja-assassin-space-marine-triple secret agents that we meet in game, I belong the the category of being annoyed about the ignorance about the facts of what army, navy, airfoce or even unit your character was part of. So I've decided to bring up some points and tips that should be remembered when you start writing a character background that has military involved.

1. Not all armies are like the US army

I dare to say that at the moment the most well known military force out there is are the US Armed Forces. And we all know that you join the United States Armed Forces, voluntarily. Some armies are bigger, some smaller, some participate actively on UN and NATO operations, some don't. Some armies have well trained special forces, some don't. Also the equipment of armies varies heavily, not all armies have Blackhawks example.

Then another thing that I've seen many missing is the fact that some armies have conscription with two other options civil service or jail time. Those who don't know what conscription means I shall briefly explain it; Conscription is mandatory armed service for all men usually from age 18 to an age that varies by country. Israel is the only country to conscript women also. So that means that you either serve in the armed forces like a man for 6, 9, or 12 months (some nations might have more) or you do civil service or if you don't want to do either you go to jail for short period of time. So joining army in these nations is bit different than in nations that have no enforced conscription. Below is a nice picture that shows nations that have conscription with red color.

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So that is right Russia has conscription too. And as Russia is a pretty big player in DayZRP and there are many Russian characters and Russian military characters too we will be using Russia as another example. Before 2007 Russia had 24 months of armed service for men from 18 to 27, 2007 it was changed to 18 months and in 2008 it was reduced to 12 months. Also if you do a bit of research you find that Russian army is not a nice place to be due to Dedovshchina (hazing) of the new junior conscripts and it can be pretty brutal at some times.

2. Research

We all know that USA has been very active in travelling around the world fighting against different enemies far away from their native soil. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. And of course the movies give us a view that USA has Delta Force, Navy Seals, Green Berets always on some highly classified mission in some nation without ever being detected. US forces have done most of the fighting but then there are those nations that participate in UN peace keeping and peace enforcing operations around the world or have been part of such operations. Or might have fought civil wars recently or other wars and conflicts.

The existence of Russian Federation has seen Georgian Civil War, War of Transnistria, East Prigorodny Conflict, War in Abkhazia, Civil war in Tajikistan, First Chechen War, War of Dagestan, Second Chechen War, Russo-Georgian War, War in Ingushetia, Insurgency in the North Caucasus, which the last two are ongoing conflicts. So if your character is serving in Russian military there is a chance that he might have been deployed in one of these conflicts. But Russians haven't been travelling around world fighting away from their native soil, most of these conflicts have happened right next to Russia.

Of course if your character served before 1991 then you need to research something about Soviet Military. But the same research goes with every military force there is. It is suggested that you research a bit about the history of the military force your character is belonging into. Also another good thing to search is facts and history about a certain unit which you are going to put your character in if you want your character to be some sort of Spetsnaz soldier or Green Beret or some other special forces operative.

3. Not all are cut to be Tier 1 operatives

Lets face it, not all are cut to be Tier 1 operatives. The number of those elite soldiers even if it is classified is actually quite few. Military doesn't need to have a whole field armies full of most highly trained Tier 1 operatives. This goes with all the military forces in the world. You don't join any army and go straight to the special forces in every army there is some sort of basic training that you do and then you go serve in the assigned unit and usually after that you can apply for special training and other units. Some special units might even require decent amount of experience or service time or a certain age or education before you can apply, not all but some.

But one thing is sure each of the special force units have some sort of test that will put even the toughest marine close to breaking point both mentally and psychically. Hell even the basic training does that to some people. How many did know that for a Spetsnaz soldier to wear the maroon beret he has to go trough a three part test? So yeah think before you choose a unit your character belongs to. There are more units in the armed forces of the world than just special forces, granted special forces are interesting but the training is tougher than for a regular grunt.

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So yeah these are my first thoughts that came in to my mind first. I shall be adding more once I get time. Also suggestions are welcomed from those who have knowledge of Military matters, be it that you are just interested in military history or you have served or are serving at the moment. And of course feedback.

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Really cool guide!

Don't worry, I'm not roleplaying 'generic super-soldier-ninja-assassin-space-marine-triple secret agents', I plan to roleplay a arms dealer with my friend.

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In my opinion there is no logical reason for the United States Armed Forces to be operating in Chernarus. Chernarus has no oil and no vital military or minerals. I'm an American myself, and I hate to say it, but we aren't good people, we are bastards. We only get involved in military situations if it threatens our oil and mineral interest, military strategic positions and lastly "global/national security"-this term is no longer valid this only held up until the Cold War was over.

Other than that, post looks great, didn't find any flaws at first glance keep it up!!

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  • Emerald

In my opinion there is no logical reason for the United States Armed Forces to be operating in Chernarus. Chernarus has no oil and no vital military or minerals. I'm an American myself, and I hate to say it, but we aren't good people, we are bastards. We only get involved in military situations if it threatens our oil and mineral interest, military strategic positions and lastly "global/national security"-this term is no longer valid this only held up until the Cold War was over.

Other than that, post looks great, didn't find any flaws at first glance keep it up!!

According to the Armaverse, US have had / do have presence in Chernarus, for one reason or another.

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  • Emerald

Really cool guide!

Don't worry, I'm not roleplaying 'generic super-soldier-ninja-assassin-space-marine-triple secret agents', I plan to roleplay a arms dealer with my friend.

Thanks.

In my opinion there is no logical reason for the United States Armed Forces to be operating in Chernarus. Chernarus has no oil and no vital military or minerals. I'm an American myself, and I hate to say it, but we aren't good people, we are bastards. We only get involved in military situations if it threatens our oil and mineral interest, military strategic positions and lastly "global/national security"-this term is no longer valid this only held up until the Cold War was over.

Other than that, post looks great, didn't find any flaws at first glance keep it up!!

Thank you.

Well the Americans and other International forces, probably under UN mandate were sent to Chernarus to help contain the situation in the Official DayZRP background story. Other than that US forces were present in Chernarus in ARMA 2 during the Operation Harvest Red for helping the CDF in 2009 but then they were present in Takistan where I guess the oil comes in. So according to the Official DayZRP background story there were elements from United States Armed Forces present in Chernarus but the whole international task force is said to contain roughly 1000 men and women. But I would say just few from USA itself.

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Very interesting read. Although my character isn't a soldier (she's a journalist who helped write news stories the Middle East), you have made me consider some deeper research into the British military.

Another key point is to do research into any wars the soldier was involved in, including the Arma one to an extent to find the small details for your story.

P.S It would be interesting to know how many snipers each countries military actually have. :D

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  • Emerald

Very interesting read. Although my character isn't a soldier (she's a journalist who helped write news stories the Middle East), you have made me consider some deeper research into the British military.

Another key point is to do research into any wars the soldier was involved in, including the Arma one to an extent to find the small details for your story.

P.S It would be interesting to know how many snipers each countries military actually have. :D

I think the amount of snipers or marksmen depends on the size of the platoon really or company and also the need of specialized. Also not all companies have need for specialized marksmen or snipers. We had 4 snipers in a MP Platoon in Finland and that was because there were 4 squads in that platoon. There was also same amount of medics. So one for each squad. Not everyone in the army are trained in the use of sniper rifles and if I'm correct snipers also work in pairs with a spotter.

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Well I suppose I can add in on the Australian Military units, seeing as one of them is represented as a clan at the moment.

So when you all think of the Australian Military you probably think of this:

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However, this is not the case.

We have an active Army, Navy and Air Force with our most famous and feared regiment being the Special Air Service Regiment (SASR). they're our elite, and not only perform our nasty work overseas, but also combat home grown terrorism as our Tactical Assault group (West).

In order to be considered for the SASR you need to be an existing and serving member of the Army and complete an 8 hour fitness test. 60% of applicants will pass this. You then enter the "Special Forces Cadre" test- a 21 day selection course which on average only 7% will complete. This is considered by many militaries globally to be the toughest selection course in the world

There's also been a doco made about this selection course, a synopsis of which can be found here.

Other notable units for the Army are:

-2CDO (2nd Commando Regiment, Considered 2nd to the SASR, and has seen active service through WW2, Korea, Vietnam and modern conflicts)

-7RSR (7th Signals Regiment- one of the premier military intelligence regiments in the world, and up until the Whitlam Goverment was top secret. This was the regiment both my parents served in. If Shit's going down in Asia, Africa, or India, the info your armies are getting is more than likely coming from them.)

-4RAR (4th Australian Rifle, one of our oldest and most decorated Infantry Units)

and last but not least

the Australian Light Horse Brigades, which have seen service since the Second Boer War, and are best known for the last great cavalry charge of the modern era of warfare. Easily identified by the Emu Feather in their slouch hat. Are now Armoured Cav units.

Our Navy is smaller than other western Allies, and is mainly used in a support role for our other forces, as well as heli's and the such.

Airforce is often used in conjunction with other Allies as well.

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If you're going for an Aussie Solider, and why wouldn't you-we're badass, you don't all have to be ex SAS. Even our most humble riflemen are put through training similar to that of American Marine Force Recon. The reasoning for this is due to the fact that we will never EVER have the forces to fight a pitched battle the way the Americans or British can, so we specialise in Guerilla warfare first, formal warfare second.

Australian Soldiers tend to be a little roguish in nature, light hearted and very family oriented. All are well educated and spoken. To an officer, the word of a Corporal or Sergeant can carry as much weight as a Captain, and they know damned well that if their Warrant Officers speak, to listen.

Anyways, hope that helps :)

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  • Emerald

Well I suppose I can add in on the Australian Military units, seeing as one of them is represented as a clan at the moment.

So when you all think of the Australian Military you probably think of this:

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Anyways, hope that helps :)

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Exactly my though except I thought the koalas ride the kangaroos and act as commanders. Thanks for providing information about the Aussies. And that it's not that easy to get into SASR.

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THANK YOU! I am pretty sure that there is more Tier 1 operatives in DayZRP than in real life... I heard something a while ago saying that the average Delta Force (most feared U.S. force) member is around 34 years old, and has most of those years worth of military training and education... Finally, I hope people can take information from this and we can have a much greater military presence!

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Snipers operate with spotters but designated marksmen typically operate with an infantry squad, as most sniper engagements in dayzrp are actually across relatively small distances and are there to protect infantry it would make more sense for these people to be designated marksmen rather than the more specialized sniper.

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  • Sapphire

Cool guide!

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Guest magw33d

I'd like to believe that a military background could be as close to believable as possible, but its a tall order to ask from so many people.

My military character is from an entirely fictional background which would have no chance of happening in real life- but then we are playing a game where the dead come back to life, can run as fast as an olympic runner and punch like an ox, whioh I would say has as much chance as happening as a pig taking flight.

I do however dislike seeing 20 year old spetsnaz and war hardened fighters. Most 20 year olds are barely out of their training wheels.

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  • Emerald

I'd like to believe that a military background could be as close to believable as possible, but its a tall order to ask from so many people.

My military character is from an entirely fictional background which would have no chance of happening in real life- but then we are playing a game where the dead come back to life, can run as fast as an olympic runner and punch like an ox, whioh I would say has as much chance as happening as a pig taking flight. But even a fictive military career can be good if it is done well.

I do however dislike seeing 20 year old spetsnaz and war hardened fighters. Most 20 year olds are barely out of their training wheels.

Even if the game allows unreal things doesn't mean that your background cant be realistic. If one has a highly fictive military career or takes it as a joke and others have realistic military careers, it kind of ruins the RP of those who actually play a realistic role.

You have a good point about the age there. The training itself takes some time and then you need to get some experience to rise in the ranks. Promotions don't happen just like that and there are usually some requirements that need to be met in order for one to be eligible for an promotion not to mention that officers usually have own officer/leadership training.

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Age doesn't mean anything about combat experience. I have personally lead 18yr old Marines who have more combat experience than people who have served 20yrs. But as far as the tier 1 stuff you are right, because you have to apply for that MOS while serving, you don't pick before joining the military. So typical age for tier 1 is 23ish the earliest. If anyone is thinking about making a military char, feel free to pm me for questions or to help with background stuff.

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  • Emerald

Age doesn't mean anything about combat experience. I have personally lead 18yr old Marines who have more combat experience than people who have served 20yrs. But as far as the tier 1 stuff you are right, because you have to apply for that MOS while serving, you don't pick before joining the military. So typical age for tier 1 is 23ish the earliest. If anyone is thinking about making a military char, feel free to pm me for questions or to help with background stuff.

Well the age and combat experience varies in each nation and not every nation has been in conflicts in recent years yet they still have active military personnel serving in their armed forces, so you can be in a military without having combat experience. And not every peacekeeper gets in an ambush where roadside bombs explode and stuff like that.

Of course for the nations that have been active in fighting wars, like USA have been doing, there are young men and women with combat experience. But as you also pointed out you don't become Tier 1 special commando operative at age 18. And I guess that is the major issue people find with the crappy military background characters.

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My character Ashven is a bit older than most other peoples characters on the server. He's somewhere in his mid 40's, and occasionally has mentioned he's ex KGB.It's part of his history, but not his defining characteristic either. He's not particularly accurate with a gun. (I made this part of his backstory because my connection is slightly worse than most peoples and Dsync is a bitch) He's not a super badass, but he does have talents, he's particularly good with spying, intel gathering and tactics.

It seems like people just use a generic template for military characters. Besides Ashven I've had one other, and his role was a combat medic, he did almost no fighting, and was perfectly happy to patch people up.

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