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S1 - NVFL/Metagaming/Invalid Kill


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Server and location:  S1 

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  Small house middle of nowhere , 2021-06-20 22:40

Your in game name: Tachenko Moskivin

Names of allies involved: @Jared

Name of suspect/s:  Chance, his buddy who nvfl'd originally , and his friends (Two more showed up I believe)

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  Enemy white 4x4 Hatchback

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  Forthcoming from Jared

Detailed description of the events:  We were up at whatever that Scrap City area is called when we saw two heavily armed men pull up in a vehicle. Myself and Jack Barns jogged slightly off after doing some trading and discussed that I might know these guys from a previous interaction a day prior and that I wanted to have a few words with them about who they may be involved with. We also considered that the vehicle could be put to good use to buy us some friends with some other people. Not deciding whether or not we were going to take the car itself, we setup for an ambush, and when they began driving away we initiated. They stopped the vehicle and turned off the engine as asked.

The driver was instructed to step out of the vehicle, place any weapon he has away and put his hands into the air. He did so, and then was instructed to lower them slowly and place his weapons into the vehicle. While having an AK and a UMP  pointed at him from two different directions, he put his hands down, pulled a gun from his back/pocket and attempted to shoot Jack. He was then killed. His friend stepped out and complied. Chance was searched and weapons + any communication (other than a radio that was on the front of his vest) was taken. We then handcuffed him, hands behind his back and drove him all the way to the North West part of the map to a small house/factory. He was handcuffed this entire time, nor was he specifically mentioning where we were going out loud other than making vague ''all the way out here references''. We roleplay back and forth a bit and Jared at one point removes the vest with his radio on it. About 7 mins into being at the house another two people who I later found out parked up the road with another car and approached on foot, rush into the home surprising my intoxicated ass and gun me down(without initiation) while I punch air. They shot Jared up as well but he survived.  They later told Jared that Chance used his chin to use his radio while handcuffed.(Edit- and later in a ooc chat they said they were double micing with an IC radio channel which I assume is discord or TS, while handcuffed breaking rule 3.7) This wasn't emoted in game as far as and the only words mentioned were exactly "You brought me all the way up here, for what ?"  I could tell from the front seat, nor was anything said specific to our location. 

Anyway, in conclusion it's been a while since I have played here and I don't know if the rules are much different now in the above aspects. But I believe if two people have automatic guns pointed at you and you don't currently have a weapon, cover, or any allies around , it seems a bit weird to attempt to pull a gun. It also seemed strange we were found across the map in such a short amount of time and even stranger that these people who I know weren't in range of the original initiation shot us on site across the map several minutes later without an initiation(unless they are in an approved group as I understand). Just trying to verify everything was on the up and up. 🙂

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Me and Undead met up in the city and headed up to the northern trader we saw 2 guys who pulled up in a car and decided to question them. They stopped the car and I told Nash to step out slowly and put his hands up which he did, I then told him to slowly lower them and put all of his weapons in the car. Whilst he was doing so he decided to pull his ak out whilst he had 2 guns on him so we killed him. We then tell Chance to get out of the car do the same and we cuffed him so he (couldn't use radio or pull a weapon like his friend did). We then drove him very far up north to a piano house by debug so his group that he said he was apart of us wouldn't find him. This is where my vide starts we get there and begin questioning him ect then out of nowhere 2 guys come running in shooting immediately no initiation killing undead and knocking me out. I wakeup cuffed we do some talking I ask how they found us all the way out there and he jokingly said he used his chin to PTT and its been on the whole time. After about 10 min they let me go leaving me with no food other than a raw piece of meat.

 

I believe the first guy Nash NVFL'd when he tried to 1v2 with no gun out, and that Chance was using 3rd party coms the whole way telling his friends were he was at whilst cuffed. I also believe that his friends had no rights to kill us since they are not an official group and did not hear or see the initial initiation. Also his friends acted on information that was Metad so yea... I have included our path of travel and a video before undead died.

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Connection Logs:

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20:56:35 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" is connected 
23:07:43 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" has been disconnected

20:54:08 | Player "Jack Barns" is connected 
23:07:44 | Player "Jack Barns" has been disconnected

19:59:01 | Player "Nash Payne" is connected 
23:07:44 | Player "Nash Payne" has been disconnected

20:21:54 | Player "Chance Morris" is connected 
23:07:44 | Player "Chance Morris" has been disconnected

19:01:05 | Player "Rudy Morris" is connected 
23:07:44 | Player "Rudy Morris" has been disconnected

18:56:12 | Player "Johnathan Jones" is connected 
23:07:44 | Player "Johnathan Jones" has been disconnected

Hit Logs:

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Tachenko Moskivin

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22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" [HP: 74.737] hit by Player "Tachenko Moskivin" into RightArm(19) for 5.88976 damage (Bullet_45ACP) with UMP-45 from 14.3582 meters 
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" [HP: 15.8393] hit by Player "Tachenko Moskivin" into Head(0) for 29.4488 damage (Bullet_45ACP) with UMP-45 from 14.5384 meters 
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Tachenko Moskivin" into Head(0) for 29.4488 damage (Bullet_45ACP) with UMP-45 from 14.512 meters 
22:25:46 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Tachenko Moskivin" into Torso(23) for 5.88976 damage (Bullet_45ACP) with UMP-45 from 14.7664 meters 

Jack Barns

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22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" [HP: 86.7096] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into LeftHand(46) for 99.8342 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.39022 meters 
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" [HP: 76.6806] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Torso(24) for 10.029 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.39022 meters
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Torso(24) for 19.8757 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.58805 meters 
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into LeftArm(18) for 19.8757 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.59065 meters 
22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Head(0) for 99.3784 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.94302 meters 
22:25:46 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Torso(16) for 19.8757 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 5.01897 meters 

22:45:06 | Player "Johnathan Jones" [HP: 93.3511] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into RightArm(17) for 19.9668 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 3.92429 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Johnathan Jones" [HP: 73.3842] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Torso(1) for 19.9668 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.09974 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Johnathan Jones" [HP: 66.7951] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into LeftArm(18) for 19.9668 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.33147 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Johnathan Jones" [HP: 60.2362] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into RightArm(17) for 19.8757 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.49675 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Johnathan Jones" [HP: 40.3605] hit by Player "Jack Barns" into Torso(25) for 19.8757 damage (Bullet_762x39) with vz.58(model 58) from 4.5546 meters 

Rudy Morris

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22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 63.8695] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into LeftHand(46) for 30.9274 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 48.4058] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 32.9422] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 17.4785] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 2.01477] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(24) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(26) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(26) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(14) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 
22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) [HP: 0] hit by Player "Rudy Morris" into Torso(15) for 15.4637 damage (Bullet_12GaugePellets) with Benelli M4 from 3.37116 meters 

Johnathan Jones

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22:45:05 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 95.7383] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into LeftArm(22) for 12.7244 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 5.07412 meters 
22:45:05 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 91.5393] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into LeftArm(18) for 12.7244 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 4.61967 meters 
22:45:05 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 78.8148] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into Torso(15) for 12.7244 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 4.50005 meters
22:45:06 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 74.6158] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into LeftArm(18) for 12.7244 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 3.92465 meters 
 22:45:06 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 66.1541] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into LeftHand(46) for 63.622 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 4.09709 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 55.5084] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into Torso(23) for 10.6457 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 4.09709 meters 
22:45:06 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 51.3093] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into LeftArm(21) for 12.7244 damage (Bullet_545x39Tracer) with AKS-74U from 4.35214 meters 

22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" [HP: 67.9829] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into Torso(25) for 31.9685 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.48007 meters 

22:47:08 | Player "Jack Barns" [HP: 53.6841] hit by Player "Johnathan Jones" into RightArm(17) for 3.75 damage (MeleeMachete) with Kukri Blade
 

 

Kill Logs:

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22:25:45 | Player "Nash Payne" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jack Barns" with vz.58(model 58) from 4.58805 meters 

22:45:07 | Player "Tachenko Moskivin" (DEAD) killed by Player "Rudy Morris" with Benelli M4 from 3.96294 meters 

 

Position Logs:

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22:24:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2033.4, 2409.2, 35.5>)
22:29:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2048.1, 2483.3, 35.5>)
22:34:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2075.4, 2486.2, 35.5>)
22:39:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<1213.4, 4041.5, 48.0>)
22:44:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2583.2, 5031.1, 173.1>)
22:49:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2598.3, 5028.0, 169.3>)
22:54:58 | Player "Rudy Morris" (pos=<2424.7, 4913.8, 170.2>)

22:24:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2033.0, 2411.1, 35.5>)
22:29:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2035.4, 2484.5, 35.5>)
22:34:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2082.0, 2468.3, 35.5>)
22:39:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<1214.0, 4041.9, 48.0>)
22:44:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2583.8, 5030.7, 172.8>)
22:49:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2469.5, 4887.8, 186.2>)
22:54:58 | Player "Johnathan Jones" (pos=<2425.6, 4914.2, 170.3>)

 

Calling in the following people to post their complete POVs and any evidence they may have:

@Roleplayer | Tachenko Moskivin - OP
@Jared | Jack Barns - Posted


@ImPurge | Nash Payne - Posted
@ImChips| Chance Morris - Posted
@Deathwing| Rudy Morris - Posted
@Final Krullix| Johanthan Jones - Posted

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My POV: Me and Nash @ImPurge were trying to sell and buy shit at the trader, after a while and realizing we didn't have enough money we leave in our car. Right as we are leaving the two people we saw there initiate on us. I turned on my radio and kept it on to let the people i was in comms know what was going on. They tell Nash to get out first, and to put his weapons into the car. He does not do so and pulls out his weapon from his backpack, and after a unfortunate glitch where his gun kept not raising, he lost. In the rule of 3.3 (NVFL) It says that you should value your life, for example if you are heavily out numbered. There was 2 people who were the enemy, He knew he had a platy and an AKM, and a friend in the car who could get out making it a 2v2. I don't see how this is NVFL. After that i am told to not to the same and get out of the car, not wanting the same to happen i comply. They cuff me and put me into the car without taking anything off of me. They put me in the back of our car and drive up North to a house. My partners who were in the city new where we were before we got initiated on because we told them we were going to that trader, and they knew that we got initiated on and were driving a car. And when we arrived and i got out, i said "Why did you bring me all the way up to this lone house?" Knowing that i left my radio on and my allies could hear me. So knowing that information they came as fast as they could to the most logical place to where i would be brung to. After i went into the house, Then is when they stripped me of my guns, vest, radio etc, and then that's when i deafened on discord and stopped double micing. You can see in the video all of my gear plus the radio on my backpack is on the ground in the house. So you can see they stripped me there, NOT at the trader. After a short chat of why they did all this, two of my friends run into the house, knocking one unconscious, and killing the other. We then got everything sorted, tied the person unconscious up and bandaged him. We brought him to a little industrial area where my partners wanted to execute him but i decided to let them slide this one time. And i let the man go. We then left in the cars and that was it. 

i have a clip but will post later as i am doing father day things and shit upload speed

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My POV: Me and @ImChips rolled up to the trader and were looking around the area to try and find a construction lamp for our fight club. We stuck around for a bit and decided there was nothing there so we left. Upon leaving we got initiated on by @Roleplayer and @Jared we complied with their demands and they instructed me to get out of the car, when he told me to put by gun in the storage I wasn't sure what he was talking about and turned around as there was a barrel behind me, he instructed me to put it in the car, I thought I was in a good enough position to catch them off guard as I had some cover with the car. My gun unfortunately bugged out as I was drawing it and they got the better of me... 

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POV: I was at base with @Final Krullix when I overheard the boys getting held up. So I went ahead and informed Krullix IC that our boys are in danger down in the trader, and that we need to double time it. We get into a car and drive our way up there.

On the way, we overheard on the radio "Why are you taking me all the way up North?" and "Why did you bring me all the way up to this lone house?" I looked at the map, the road seemed to lead to a lone house, so we pressed it Northwards till we reached the end of the road.

We got out and ran down the hill till we reached a tree we could hide behind. We heard them talking to Chance inside, that's where they were telling him "We can't let you leave or else you would tell all your boys about what happened." So we pressed it towards the door, kicked in and opened fire.

One of them went unconscious from the wounds he acquired, while the other one dropped dead. We decided to tie up the unconscious man and waited on him to wake up. That's when we took him somewhere to be executed. But through RP, we decided to spare his life and express no hard feelings.

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Skinny's POV: Skinny was talking to this lovely man when all the sudden Skinny's grandson (Rudy) came to him in distress saying "They took my brother, my own blood" Skinny then responded where and who? Rudy still panicking replies with "I over heard on the radio him getting taken we need to help him" Skinny springs into action and says "AYEEEEEE GET IN THE CAR" Skinny quickly puts in the spark plug and puts the car into third gear. He skids out of there and starts driving. Rudy said "They are headed north they haven't took his radio" skinny high tailed it north and pulled up to the building at the most north place. Skinny and Rudy sneak up next to the house and over hear the captors deciding if they should kill his grandson. Skinny BURST THROUGH THE DOOR and unloads on 2 of them. The first guy tanking all the bullets like the god he is and the second one fatally drops from Rudy's shotgun. They administer first aid to skinny and he gets up and yells at the captor. "DONT MESS WITH MY GRANCHILDREN YOU HEAR ME BOY?" Skinny then tells the man to walk outside he walks outside but the man is injured so he couldn't walk. Skinny proceeded to say furiously "Get up boy I don't care how hurt you are." They tried to calm skinny down and explain to him he cant walk. Skinny pulls the car up and @ImChipsadministers morphine to him and shove him in the car. Skinny drives to the nearest high building and they walk him up the stairs. Skinny says "Get near the edge" for he was going to execute him. His grandsons showed mercy to the captor and skinny felt bad. The Captor begged not to die and one thing that remained in skinny was a good heart so they showed him mercy and let him go. Even invited him to attend the Fight night on Friday June 25th serving food and beverages with an all out brawl. Skinny drives off back home with his grandsons safely at his side. END POV

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Summary:

@Roleplayerand @Jared are at the trader in the Scrap Town, when @ImPurge and @ImChips turn up in a car. Roleplayer and Jared decide that they want the car for their own uses, and as such, initiate on the two whilst they are still sat in the car. Upon following their demands at first, ImPurge attempts to non-comply and fight back, but ultimately ends up dead. ImChips is hand cuffed and put into the back of the car, whilst Roleplayer and Jared drive him to a new location.

During the drive, ImChips uses his radio to vaguely give messages about being in some kind of trouble, whilst heading north. Upon arriving to their destination, ImChips is moved into a building by the two hostage takers and is interrogated and questioned. Meanwhile, upon hearing their friend is in distress, @Deathwing and @Final Krullix head north of the trader to find and rescue ImChips, and find a house where they can hear him being questioned.

Deathwing and Final Krullix storm the house, Deathwing killing Roleplayer, and Final Krullix knocking out Jared, saving their friend.

Verdict:

@ImPurge | No Value For Life (NVFL) - Not Guilty – As you were only outnumbered 2:1, this is not considered NVFL, as there was a reasonable chance that you could come out of the fight the victor.

@ImChips | Metagaming - Guilty – You were handcuffed at the time of conveying your radio messages to Deathwing and Final Krullix, which breaks rule 3.7, as shown below.

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3.7 Using OOC communications like Discord, TeamSpeak or others to transmit or receive information related to in game situations is only allowed when you have a personal radio item in your inventory. As soon as your character loses the ability to speak or use the radio - for example has died, is unconscious, has been gagged, is surrendering (F1 or F2 animation), is handcuffed or had your radio item or clothing containing it removed from your inventory - you may not receive or transmit any in game information through OOC communications. While in presence of other players all such communication should also be transmitted in game using "double mic" mechanic. This means transmitting both through in game VOIP and external software simultaneously.

@Deathwing | Metagaming - Inconclusive – There is insufficient evidence to prove that you knew that ImChips was handcuffed at the time of conveying his radio message, and as such can not be proven to have metagamed.

@Deathwing | Invalid Kill (On Sight) - Guilty – At the time of the report, the group you are in was not approved. As such, you did not have kill rights on Roleplayer when you killed him in the house, as you were not in audible range of the initiation on your friends, nor did it effect you directly.

@Final Krullix| Metagaming - Inconclusive – The same as Deathwing, there is not enough evidence to prove that you knew that ImChips was handcuffed during his radio messages.

@Final Krullix | Attempted Invalid KillGuilty – Similar to Deathwing, you did not have kill rights as the group you are in was not approved at the time of the report, and you were not in audible range of the initiation.

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4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by "kill rights" that last for 1 hour. Kill rights are gained by players who are within audible range of the initiation or who are directly affected by hostile action that doesn't require initiation, for example stealing. Approved groups share kill rights to all group members online during the initial hostile action.

Outcome:

@ImChips | Metagaming2 Day Ban, 10 Warning Points

@Deathwing| Invalid Kill (On Sight)5 Day Ban, 10 Warning Points

@Final Krullix | Attempted Invalid Kill1 Day Ban, 5 Warning Points


Signed @Cor @Queerios @PaulB

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