Reporting BAD RP and Bad hostile action to the point of KOS

[Klogg]

 

Server and location: Airfield Western wall almost

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  8:30 GMT+03:00 

Your in game name: Muhammed ibni naser harran

Names of allies involved: None, One bystander that I met on the scene on the same side of defence

Name of suspect/s: CLF

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): A car that they had black 1995 golf

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): None

Detailed description of the events: Just got killed at airfield at 8:30 GMT+03:00 
After being told to leave the airfield, My character said ok started going out and 3 people were following me and another person that was told to leave by "the russian military"
When I turned around and told them not to follow us the got out of their car and told us to put our hands up and immidietly started firing, By immidietly I mean right after they said put your hands up.
I play with a ping of 120. No shots were fired by me, Dident even aim my gun I just kept screaming OKAY OKAY STOP SHOOTING and they kept on shootings us.

this is the second time I have been killed without initiation, I delete my characters when I die. I cannot play on this server with people constantly having Shitty hostile RP like this only to kill.
after I died I heard one of them say, We killed them cus they were assholes.
 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Klogg
(Edited to fit the format provided by admin)

[Dingle]

KILL LOGS:

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17:31:31 | Player "Andrew Rose" (DEAD) killed by Player "Radzig Kobyla" with FN SCAR-H STD from 25.928 meters
17:32:45 | Player "Andrew Rose" (DEAD) died.

17:31:34 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" (DEAD) killed by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 1.41829 meters
17:32:45 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" (DEAD) died.

HIT LOGS:

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17:31:30 | Player "Andrew Rose" hit by Player "Yegor Kaska" with AKM from 48.9221 meters 
17:31:31 | Player "Andrew Rose" hit by Player "Yegor Kaska" with AKM from 51.7362 meters 
17:31:31 | Player "Andrew Rose" hit by Player "Radzig Kobyla" with FN SCAR-H STD from 25.928 meters 

17:31:23 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 41.0899 meters 
17:31:23 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 41.2854 meters 
17:31:24 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Yegor Kaska" with AKM from 34.764 meters 
17:31:24 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Yegor Kaska" with AKM from 34.6751 meters 
17:31:25 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by is unconscious
17:31:34 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 1.41829 meters 
17:31:34 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 1.41829 meters 
17:31:35 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 1.41829 meters 
17:31:35 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" hit by Player "Runian Kuzco" with AK-74 from 1.39986 meters 

CONNECTION LOGS:

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17:20:45 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" is connected
17:41:19 | Player "Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran" has been disconnected

16:50:00 | Player "Andrew Rose" is connected
17:34:06 | Player "Andrew Rose" has been disconnected

17:19:45 | Player "Radzig Kobyla" is connected
20:51:22 | Player "Radzig Kobyla" has been disconnected

17:11:57 | Player "Runian Kuzco" is connected
20:51:22 | Player "Runian Kuzco" has been disconnected

17:28:06 | Player "Yegor Kaska" is connected
19:13:45 | Player "Yegor Kaska" has been disconnected

Calling in the following players to post their full PoV of the situation, as well as any unedited video evidence.

@Klogg | Muhammed Ibni Naser Harran | OP
@VoidTheWeeb | Andrew Rose | POSTED

@Nonplayer | Radzig Kobyla | POSTED
@Timberwolf | Runian Kuzco | POSTED
@Woodzie | Yegor Kaska | POSTED

[Nonplayer]

Hello Staff team of DayZRP

POV:

We meet three people at the airfield. We tell them that airfield is restricted and tell them to go away. One of my group members procceed to escort one of them out of the airfield north. Me , @Timberwolf and @Woodzie handle the rest. We tell one of them to change out the RAC pants and they comply. After that we follow them with a car to see if they leave the airfield. When we stop by the two floor barack one of them start disrespecting us and pull out their weapons, i tell one of them who do you think you are and they start screaming something about being a prothet of allah or something similar. After that I radio in on one bar to my allies and tell them we are going to hold them up. I then proceed to initiate when one of them pull out a weapon and aim down it clearny not complying. After that the other man keep running ignoring our demands and gets shot down.

Regarding video evidence, I wasnt recording so I have none.

[Timberwolf]

Hello fellow gamers, this is my POV: Me, Nonplayer and Woodzie met three people at the airfield and while one of us is dealing with one of the trio which was a woman, we dealt with the other two. One of them had RAC pants which we then told him to strip and change for pants that we provided. One of them complained but we kept on the move, escorting them out. We then get hostilities and insulted by the OP and his friend while we were all in a car just following them. Long story short, we received the order to hold them up, we tried holding them up and both of them didn't comply. What happened? They both died.

I do not have video evidence as I said in the support channel.

[Guest]

Greetings gamers and gamer girls,

Alright. So I was minding my own business in Night City, trying to simp on Panam to see what she's all about.
I then remember that my bratri are around the airfield, so as a proud member of the CLF, I stop all I'm doing and I go join them.

I arrive and spot their car, I join and ask who those lads are. Afterwards we come to a halt since they get itchy that we are following them since ya know, they were gonna keep squatting on the airfield if we didn't make sure they left.

We get out and our fierce leader and combat medic @Nonplayer
orders us to detain them. One of them spews some stuff about Allah, and I quickly remember the crusades, thus I try to stop them and have a conversation about gods and holy grounds.

Unfortunately they keep running, with guns in their hands and Nonplayer initiates on them.
One raises his gun but he goes down fast,
the other runs and he also drops down, most likely due to the exhaustion of carrying all the gamer gear he had.

We look over them, I pick the scraps and we all leave to later pray to God and ask for forgiveness.

No video evidence unfortunately due to GoPro malfunction , as what we did was pretty rad and I would've loved to keep some memories of it.

[VoidTheWeeb]

Hello staff,

So, sorry for the late response (School Work). So I start of by going to the airfield for some rp. After looting and looking around I found a car that was doing donuts and shooting in the air. Of course I go to check it out. I was told to get off the airfield ASAP. Me and the other fellow bystander decided to take our guns out because they were following us. BUT, we did not point or shoot our weapons. Then they get out of the vehicle that was escorting us out and they say "PUT YOUR HANDS UP NOW!" Then as soon as they said that they started to shoot at us. I fired 1 round back at them and then started booking it. Thats where I die and decide to hop off and do some homework. BUT AGAIN, They gave us no time to put our hands up, and just start shooting.

 

As seen by the evidence they start shooting without enough time to initiate the hands up feature. So, if they start shooting my instinct is to dip so I start running after bystander dies.

YouTube Link to Clip:

Although they may be wrong I still had a great role play experience and I would like to thank them for that!

Have a Good 1!

[Rover]

28 minutes ago, VoidTheWeeb said:

Hello staff,

So, sorry for the late response (School Work). So I start of by going to the airfield for some rp. After looting and looking around I found a car that was doing donuts and shooting in the air. Of course I go to check it out. I was told to get off the airfield ASAP. Me and the other fellow bystander decided to take our guns out because they were following us. BUT, we did not point or shoot our weapons. Then they get out of the vehicle that was escorting us out and they say "PUT YOUR HANDS UP NOW!" Then as soon as they said that they started to shoot at us. I fired 1 round back at them and then started booking it. Thats where I die and decide to hop off and do some homework. BUT AGAIN, They gave us no time to put our hands up, and just start shooting.

 

As seen by the evidence they start shooting without enough time to initiate the hands up feature. So, if they start shooting my instinct is to dip so I start running after bystander dies.

YouTube Link to Clip:

Although they may be wrong I still had a great role play experience and I would like to thank them for that!

Have a Good 1!

Hello @VoidTheWeeb,

Can you upload the full video evidence of this situation that you have?

Thank you

[VoidTheWeeb]

@Rover  Due to Geforce Experience Thats all I have

[Realize]

6 hours ago, VoidTheWeeb said:

@Rover  Due to Geforce Experience Thats all I have

I find it highly unlikely that you only have 14 seconds of video evidence. Did you manually start your recording or were you using GeForce instant reply ?

[VoidTheWeeb]

3 hours ago, Realize said:

I find it highly unlikely that you only have 14 seconds of video evidence. Did you manually start your recording or were you using GeForce instant reply ?

Geforce Instant Replay

[Rover]

Verdict

@Nonplayer - Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) - Guilty 

@Timberwolf - Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) - Guilty

@Woodzie - Attempted Invalid Kill - Guilty

 

Summary

In this incident, @Nonplayer, @Timberwolf, and @Woodzie (referred to going forwards collectively as CLF) are making their rounds around the airfield and encounter @Klogg & @VoidTheWeeb. After some roleplay where CLF begins to remove the pair from the airfield and escort them towards the exit, a decision is made to initiate by CLF members due to the responses being provided by @Klogg. An initiation is dropped, a shot is fired, then the pair are killed in short order by members of CLF.

 

Reasoning

Invalid Kills - The initiation was rendered invalid by the member of CLF that fired a shot at @Klogg when neither @VoidTheWeeb nor @Klogg had a chance to properly comply with the initiation. As can be seen in the video evidence provided by @VoidTheWeeb, the initiation is dropped ~2-3 seconds in. At this point, @Klogg is in the middle of a loading animation, and @VoidTheWeeb swaps from a rifle to a knife. It is hard to say if this was something he was already going to do, or was done in response to the initiation, however its safe to say a knife is less threatening then a rifle. At 4 seconds in the video, a shot is fired that hits the dirt near @Klogg, whom has turned around to face CLF. Notably, his rifle is NOT raised at this point.

At this exact moment, the initiation given by Nonplayer is void and can not be used. CLF voided the initiation by firing on @Klogg & @VoidTheWeeb, rendering the kills on them to be invalid. At 6 seconds in the video, Klogg can be seen with rifle raised however he does not fire a shot and lowers it, attempting to talk things down before being shot and killed. This is invalid, as the initiation was invalid.

@VoidTheWeeb fires a single shot before running, and is then killed after the video ends. Despite the fact he fired a shot back, he was acting on valid defender rights gained by the members of CLF invalidly attempting to kill him, and they can not gain defender rights themselves from his efforts to protect himself, nor can they gain attacker rights as their attempts to kill him were invalid due to the voided initiation. At this point the best thing CLF could have done would be attempt to initiate a second time and give him an actual chance to comply, or disengage. 

Allowing the kill on @VoidTheWeeb to be valid would start an unusual precedent of shooting at someone, getting them to shoot back, then killing them to protect yourself.

 

Suggestions

@Nonplayer - You led the initiation, and from my recollection of our helpdesk call you claimed that you saw @Klogg raise his rifle at you. This is technically correct. He did raise his rifle at you, but only after 2 seconds after a member of CLF had already shot at him. In the future, we highly recommend if you are going to initiate on people you don't do it when they are walking away from you already in rifle-loading animations. Its hard enough to hear, process, and react in short order without the added danger of already having a rifle in hand. 

Additionally give a verbal threat when initiating from behind, or if you think someone is not directly looking at you. Yelling hands up at someone's back doesn't meet the qualification of an initiation unless they turn around and see you are pointing your weapon. This would mean that in the video above, @Klogg is only 'actually' initiated on at about the same moment someone is shooting at him, as that is the first time he is really aware of what the threat is, and the demand. Remember an initiation must contain a threat and a demand, until they have reasonably been able to acknowledge the threat they have not been initiated on.

@Klogg - You were incredibly adamant and swore up and down in the helpdesk call you did not ever raise your rifle. As we can see in the video, you did at around 6 seconds. You didn't fire a shot and you lowered it soon after, but this should serve to you as an example that our recollections are not always perfect. It was after you were already shot at, but you were still quite clear in the helpdesk call that you didn't do it, and only tried to get them to stop shooting at you through voice. As we discussed in the helpdesk call, going forwards we would heavily encourage you to record video evidence of your own and get shadowplay working, so you can review incidents yourself before reporting.

@VoidTheWeeb - We'd like you to set your shadowplay for at least 1 minute. 15 seconds of video makes it appear like it was trimmed down, and if your computer can handle 15 seconds it can handle 1 minute. Video evidence is important to reports and in this instance was the make or break decision between an inconclusive verdict and a guilty verdict.

 

Outcome

@Nonplayer - Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) - Guilty - 3 day ban, 10 warning points.

@Timberwolf - Invalid Kill (Roleplayed) - Guilty - 3 day ban, 10 warning points.

@Woodzie - Attempted Invalid Kill - Guilty - 2 day ban, 5 warning points.

 

Signed.: @Rover, @Basko.