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  • Sapphire

Server and location: Cherno server at Tisy Summer

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 17:17 28/02/2021

Your in game name: Oleg Rickov

Names of allies involved:  @Kordruga @burRP @Burak

Name of suspect/s: logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): n/a

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): uploading as we speak

Detailed description of the events: In the middle of raiding a base server restarts, as I reconnect I'm gunned down given no time to comply as can be seen in my video. As far as i'm aware thats AOGM and No time to comply. They're also basing in a military spawn. Analyzing the video further I was given approximately one whole second to comply baring in mind that in the video you can see me tab back in do a little wiggle to check I'm actually tabbed in and in that time I'm initiated on and shot dead.

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  • Diamond

Posting POV now as I know I will be called in

 

Drew Williams POV: After logging off of Siege to join DayZRP, I log into our radio comms and hear we are being raided. Restart occurs before I can log in. WHen I log in I turn to my left and spot someone I do not recognize inside our base. As such I initiate 3 times, "Put your hands up right now or you will be killed, put your hands up right fucking now"

I believe it was the OP. Instead of complying, the OP chooses to turn towards me with his AK out. Seeing this as non-complying I gun him down and rush into the hallway, continuing to yell my initiation, "All of you put your hands up right now or you will be killed."

I kill one more in the hallway before being killed.

END POV

I am always willing to talk this out in Discord.

Allies involved: @XxGrAipYyxX @TaniksBR @8Dust8

 

 

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  • Game Master

Connection Logs

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RAIDING PARTY

16:09:32 | Player "Oleg Rickev" is connected
17:10:45 | Player "Oleg Rickev" has been disconnected
17:12:39 | Player "Oleg Rickev" is connected
---DEAD---
17:23:30 | Player "Oleg Rickev" has been disconnected

15:36:24 | Player "Kamil Novak" is connected
17:10:45 | Player "Kamil Novak" has been disconnected
17:16:31 | Player "Kamil Novak" is connected
--- DEAD---
18:36:00 | Player "Kamil Novak" has been disconnected

15:56:26 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
16:38:39 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected
16:38:46 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
17:09:30 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected
17:09:41 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
17:10:45 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected
17:13:01 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
---DEAD---
17:46:10 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected

15:51:34 | Player "Sasha Rozak" is connected
16:31:28 | Player "Sasha Rozak" has been disconnected
16:31:39 | Player "Sasha Rozak" is connected
17:10:45 | Player "Sasha Rozak" has been disconnected
17:12:39 | Player "Sasha Rozak" is connected
--- DEAD---
17:28:23 | Player "Sasha Rozak" has been disconnected

BASE PARTY

17:12:39 | Player "Drew Williams" is connected
--- DEAD---
18:00:49 | Player "Drew Williams" has been disconnected

17:15:59 | Player "Jakov Cvek" is connected
--- DEAD---
18:27:07 | Player "Jakov Cvek" has been disconnected

17:16:06 | Player "Edward McGrath" is connected
17:36:53 | Player "Edward McGrath" has been disconnected
17:40:02 | Player "Edward McGrath" is connected
--- DEAD---
17:52:08 | Player "Edward McGrath" has been disconnected

17:05:31 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" is connected
17:10:45 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" has been disconnected
17:15:12 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" is connected
--- DEAD---
17:58:42 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" has been disconnected

 

Building Logs

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17:09:08 | Player "Sasha Rozak" (pos=[Redacted]) placed Small Fridge

 

Hit Logs

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16:58:13 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by FallDamage
17:13:16 | Player "Oleg Rickev" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.89405 meters 
17:13:16 | Player "Oleg Rickev" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 3.00614 meters 
17:13:16 | Player "Oleg Rickev" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 3.00614 meters 
17:13:17 | Player "Oleg Rickev" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.99351 meters 
17:13:52 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.77571 meters 
17:13:52 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.67343 meters 
17:13:52 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.89717 meters
17:13:56 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 6.95262 meters 
17:15:18 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 1.17126 meters 
17:15:08 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 4.46215 meters 
17:15:08 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 4.20144 meters 
17:15:09 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 4.46498 meters 
17:15:09 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.07748 meters 
17:15:18 | Player "Drew Williams" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 1.32073 meters  
17:15:18 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 1.17126 meters 
17:17:08 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 9.18649 meters 
17:17:14 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" hit by Player "Kamil Novak" with AKS-74U from 5.70895 meters 
17:17:14 | Player "Leonid Vorobev" hit by Player "Kamil Novak" with AKS-74U from 5.77594 meters 
17:17:15 | Player "Kamil Novak" hit by Player "Edward McGrath" with PKP Pecheneg from 37.0995 meters 
17:17:15 | Player "Kamil Novak" hit by Player "Edward McGrath" with PKP Pecheneg from 37.0995 meters 
17:18:45 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.72267 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.75761 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.79886 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.79676 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.79655 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Sasha Rozak" hit by Player "Leonid Vorobev" with WINCHESTER MODEL 70 from 3.69429 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Sasha Rozak" hit by Player "Leonid Vorobev" with WINCHESTER MODEL 70 from 3.69429 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 6.21209 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" hit by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 6.21209 meters 
17:19:21 | Player "Sasha Rozak" hit by Player "Leonid Vorobev" with CZ-75 from 2.29459 meters 

 

Kill Logs

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17:13:16 | Player "Oleg Rickev" (DEAD) killed by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.89405 meters 
17:13:52 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" (DEAD) killed by Player "Drew Williams" with AKM from 2.67343 meters 
17:15:08 | Player "Drew Williams" (DEAD) killed by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 4.20144 meters 
17:17:15 | Player "Kamil Novak" (DEAD) killed by Player "Edward McGrath" with PKP Pecheneg from 37.0995 meters 
17:18:46 | Player "Jakov Cvek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Sasha Rozak" with AKM from 5.75761 meters 
17:19:21 | Player "Sasha Rozak" (DEAD) killed by Player "Leonid Vorobev" with CZ-75 from 2.29459 meters 

 

 

Calling in the below for their full points of view of the situation, as well as any video unedited evidence they may have.

It would appear a second firefight kicked off around 17:50 in the logs; We did not call in the parties for that report as it was not directly related to this incident. If the Base Party feels that any rules were broken in that second encounter, bring that complaint forth.

 

@General Rickets - Oleg Rickev - OP

@Kordruga - Kamil Novak - Posted

@burRP - Kenny Kowalski - Posted

@Burak - Sasha Rozak - Posted

 

@JasonBR - Drew Williams - Posted

@TaniksBR - Jakov Cvek - Posted

@XxGrAipYyxX - Edward McGrath - Posted

@8Dust8 - Leonid Vorobev - Posted

 

 

7 hours ago, XxGrAipYyxX said:

was bored playing on another server. went to log on. log on, heard gun fire. assumed raid. assumed right. boys clear out hostile force. 

The above is an example of an insufficient point of view. You don't even address that you shot someone. Please take the effort to write an actual detailed point of view that covers your side of the events. Thank you.

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POV: I was the first to log on, and was in the adjacent barracks building to where we had our base located. I walk to where our front door was built to see it's no longer there, and our own car is parked out front, with an unidentified man in a blue tracksuit jacket in it's inventory. He must have not noticed me, since (after realizing what's happening), I retreated back into the adjacent barracks building to radio we were being raided, along with consider my options. It was around here that Drew also got on, and initiated on the assumed OP. This is where Drew's previously described situation happened, and resulted in him killing two before dying. I then get initiated on by blue tracksuit jacket man, and decide to not comply. After a minute of dancing, and I think support fire from McGrath (I honestly don't know when people logged in or who they were, was more focused on not dying), I manage to kill blue tracksuit man with a CZ-75, and the combat subsides. 

I would like to add a note: OP basically admitted they were tabbed out while being initiated on, making the time of initiation anywhere from as soon as the server was back up from the restart to the point of him tabbing back in

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I got on today to hear, and saw everyone was on coms. I join the coms hearing that we are getting raided. I log into the server, immediately pull out my AK, walk around the barracks and notice two things. One of my buddies is on the ground, and there's at least one of them dead. I stay inside the room I woke up in and prepare to shoot anyone I see. I spot my friend, @8Dust8, across in the other barracks. I see @Kordruga, take a shot at him, then watch him fall as @XxGrAipYyxX kills him from his over watch posistion. I go to reload my ak, say "If you are out there put your hands up, we have iced three of your men" and then am shot by @Burak through a window.

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  • Titanium

Hello Gamers , inactive forum reader Community Members and Staff.

Sasha was hired by CLF officer to help him in his deconstruction plans. They found a gamer base in summer near Tisy , talented CLF officer @Kordruga blowed up the gate , Mechanic @burRP and his friend @General Rickets was taking cover and securing the perimeter. When the Chad officer blowed up the front gate of the illegally enclosed military base, all gamer loot hungry people got in , and distributed the goods. Deconstruction mission was completed. After big storm when Sasha ( @Burak) woke up he heard a very fast talking man was dropping initiation , even faster than Sasha. ( you can check my character profile for roleplay.mp3 on the background ) After that fast talking man hurt one of the hired deconstruction team members, Sasha heard another initiation dropped on him from that same fast talking man. After they roleplayed , Sasha made the guy unconcious.While he was changing mag , he heard another guy talking in same building ( they were waking up because of gunshots prolly) while he was dropping again another initiation on him , Sasha rushed again from window and made him uncon. Suddenly another guy ( 3rd ) woke up in next building , he was not dropping initiation but sneaking,  when he saw Sasha from windows , he pointed gun but didnt shoot , Sasha was very scared and pulled back harder than ever , he reloaded his magazine once more, and then Chad Officer @Kordruga went to that window and magdumped to that guy, same minute he got RDM'ed , KOS'ed by a PKP using roleplayer from the treelines  northern part of summer camp , but from a  very close range. Sasha was very sad and angry, his temporary bosses were all knocked out , he cocked his AKM once more and rushed to that building , but suddenly he found out that he was out of Ammo, as he realized he cannot hurt a man with empty magazine , other roleplayer hurt Sasha really well with a pistol.

if i remember it wrong , all gamers in roleplay can correct me please 

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  • Sapphire

So the video has uploaded, 47ish seconds of me loading in 2 seconds of being loaded in and then a death screen. I load in, as I see me loading in on my second screen I tab back in wiggle to make sure I'm tabbed in and get gunned down. I have nothing else to say personally so this will be my last response unless otherwise requested.

 

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  • Diamond

Loving the title.

As seen in the video, I'm mid way through initiation when he turns to me with a gun out. Why you would choose to tab out in the middle of a raid while logging in is beyond me, but it's what got you killed.

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  • Emerald

Hello all, this is my PoV
Me and the boys found a base and decided it was worth raiding. It was built into a military barrack so we anticipated some mad amount of loot. We blow it open and we were right, was stacked to the brim with everything you'd ever need, even a pink floatie. Anyway, we thought we were completely alone, nobody had made themselves known, nobody said a word or made us aware of their presence. So the server restarts and as it does I go for a cigarette. I get back and start to log in when I hear @Burak double micing an initiation. Confused, I log in to @Burak telling me there is a man in the barrack he's beside and that he is hostile. I run around the barrack to try and spot the man through the window and as I pass the last window I am shot at by the man inside. As I had just logged in and I'm not in an approved group with the boys I was with I don't believe he had rights. After he tried to kill me I get an angle on him and attempt to kill him, as I start shooting I am killed by another in the trees behind the barracks. This guy didn't say a word to me either. 
End of PoV

Just to make some things clear in case staff overlook it. The people in question are not in an approved group so did not share attacker rights with @JasonBR 's initiation on @General Rickets and on top of that we were running as a dynamic making it even more sketch to shoot at us who weren't logged in/ initiated on. 

Also, as mentioned by the offending party, we had been spotted before restart but they chose to wait until we were logging in to attack us? Rickets was killed within seconds of logging in, is this AOGM? I've seen it in several reports before and it's usually frowned upon. It's bad sportsmanship either way and really shouldn't have happened.

Lastly, as seen in the video posted by @General Rickets, he had a second or two to react. He turned to see who was speaking, without even raising his gun before being gunned down. Non-compliance, as I see it both from my own experience and from past reports, is the failure to listen to demands after a lengthy time and/or opposing the demands with a hostile action i.e raising a weapon. Simply turning 90 degrees to see who is talking isn't, in my eyes, non-compliance @JasonBR

I'll respond further if @Rover or another staff member needs me to ✌️🙂

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  • Diamond
2 hours ago, Kordruga said:

 

Also, as mentioned by the offending party, we had been spotted before restart but they chose to wait until we were logging in to attack us?

I would like to point out this is a blatant lie. The only person logged in was Dust I only logged in after the restart. The connection logs show this. Furthermore, if I didn’t have rights on you, why did you shoot first? Beyond that, I yelled my initiation after your friend non com. Exact words “All of you put your hands up right now or you will be killed.” 
 

Even more than that, you four were actively raiding our base. There would be no reason for us to not open up on you.

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  • Diamond

sorry for the late POV.

MY POV - We are raiding a base, server restart is about to happen, i log back in to dead silence, followed by quick death after about 3 seconds. No Initiation was presented clearly from this group of boys towards me. The male who shot me i didnt even look at, he was behind the other side of the door to me and waited for me to log in before swiftly ending me with such honour.
He opened the door without revealing himself, then  shoulder peeked the corner while pre firing which is quite odd.

I believe these men are guilty of not having much experience with the rules unfortunately, as they clearly did not use their brains and killed us all before we had any time to comply during a server restart. 

Definitely AOGM and no time to comply.

I do not have video evidence and i will only be posting and replying when told so, cheeky back and forth is not my thing.

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  • Diamond
9 minutes ago, burRP said:

. No Initiation was presented clearly from this group of boys towards me

Yet another lie. As seen in Buraks POV, he could hear me initiating repeatedly. As seen in the video, I initiated clearly. I had yelled my initiation multiple times before you had entered and tried to attack me.

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Hate to break it to you, but defending our base from you (the raiders) means we have defending rights. We dropped initiations purely so you knew you were breaking into the wrong house, and even, hopefully actually roleplay. We weren't required to drop initiations (As I believe you are allowed to kill anyone who is inside/raiding your base), but we did so we could provide a nice intense hostile roleplay. Roleplay clearly wasn't your intent and it was a gear grab. Got no issue with that, but if you think that the people defending the base where attackers, I feel like you need to learn what the Hostile Action part of the rule 4.2 actually means. 

 

And if you think its AOGM, we didn't decide to be raided at restart. You had 90 minutes of "Hey restart soon, lets not raid". And to be fair, its not even AOGM for us to log in, say "Get out or die" then kill you, because there isn't a gentlemen's rule of "No killing until 5 minutes after the restart" now isn't there. I am sorry that you feel wronged, and I would to love chat about what happened, but pointing fingers and saying "But that's not fair" doesn't help anyone, unless you feel that we wronged you so hard you want us to be banned. 

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  • Emerald
25 minutes ago, JasonBR said:

I would like to point out this is a blatant lie. The only person logged in was Dust I only logged in after the restart. The connection logs show this. Furthermore, if I didn’t have rights on you, why did you shoot first? Beyond that, I yelled my initiation after your friend non com. Exact words “All of you put your hands up right now or you will be killed.” 
 

Even more than that, you four were actively raiding our base. There would be no reason for us to not open up on you.

When I say 'the opposing party' it refers to the entirety of 'the opposing party' not just you @JasonBR. The 'blatant lie' is phrased as a question, made clear by my use of a question mark. Can a question be a lie?

As shown in the logs, our connection times are all different due to the joining queue, you were schlimed before I even got back in so I didn't hear you initiate. I'm not sure why you're trying to twist the situation when the facts and logic contained in the video evidence and the logs is pretty straight forward.

You've been around for long enough to have a decent grasp on what's accepted as a hostile action. A base is not a person, therefore has no defender/attacker rights. Us raiding your base doesn't give you attacker/defender rights just because said base is yours. You and every individual involved had to initiate hostilities as there were no shared rights between any of you.

@TaniksBR can you explain further where your defender rights came from?

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Just now, Kordruga said:

When I say 'the opposing party' it refers to the entirety of 'the opposing party' not just you @JasonBR. The 'blatant lie' is phrased as a question, made clear by my use of a question mark. Can a question be a lie?

As shown in the logs, our connection times are all different due to the joining queue, you were schlimed before I even got back in so I didn't hear you initiate. I'm not sure why you're trying to twist the situation when the facts and logic contained in the video evidence and the logs is pretty straight forward.

You've been around for long enough to have a decent grasp on what's accepted as a hostile action. A base is not a person, therefore has no defender/attacker rights. Us raiding your base doesn't give you attacker/defender rights just because said base is yours. You and every individual involved had to initiate hostilities as there were no shared rights between any of you.

@TaniksBR can you explain further where your defender rights came from?

totally 

blowing our gate open and rummaging through our gear is a hostile action
therefore (As the base owners) we get defender rights

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As I said in my previous post, I was waiting for the lads to get on, whilst being bored on another server. I saw the lads in our IC Communications. I join and hear we getting raided. My character, Edward being the heavy weapons specialist was already in a prime position to perform over-watch duties on the base. 

When I saw someone shooting @8Dust8 I started to lay down cover fire around where the shots are seen. (muzzle flashes) I saw that dudes were both in and out of our base when I had already logged in. The leader of my group goes down. So I push in and take position for cover fire from another angle with intent of clearing the AO of hostiles, along with recollecting lost equipment. I had to sit and do something IRL, and soon enough I hear "Hands", gun fire erupts. I die almost instantly. That is my POV.

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  • Game Master
4 minutes ago, TaniksBR said:

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Oh, just for reference, you are wrong, base raiding is a hostile action, even if it aint alive @Kordruga

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@TaniksBR I rarely ever involve myself in arguments in a report, but I would appear to be quoted out of context, and I would be remiss to leave it unanswered. Let me try to clear this up.

Please see the attached screenshot above by me; This screenshot is something where I was directly explaining defender rights to a base owner, regarding questions they had about when they can protect their base.

The one you quoted above is where I was explaining the attacking situation from the position of the hostile party, that is doing the raiding. 

If this is unclear please DM me directly. Any specifics about the rule in this application will be handled in the verdict.

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  • Diamond

Well then yes, we would have had defender rights, as stated here,

4 hours ago, Kordruga said:

Also, as mentioned by the offending party, we had been spotted before restart but they chose to wait until we

They knew the home owner was there prior to the restart. And even regardless of whether or not defender rights were distributed, I initiated multiple times AND someone initiated on @8Dust8 we were well within our right to defend our home.

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  • Emerald
49 minutes ago, JasonBR said:

Well then yes, we would have had defender rights, as stated here,

They knew the home owner was there prior to the restart. And even regardless of whether or not defender rights were distributed, I initiated multiple times AND someone initiated on @8Dust8 we were well within our right to defend our home.

Huh? Maybe you misread this: "As mentioned by the offending party, we had been spotted before restart" 

I'm referring to @8Dust8 spotting us before restart. As @8Dust8 had been in the server for 4-5 minutes before being booted on the restart, I'm guessing that's when he relayed the information about the raid as it wasn't mentioned specifically in the PoV provided. 

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1 hour ago, Rover said:

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@TaniksBR I rarely ever involve myself in arguments in a report, but I would appear to be quoted out of context, and I would be remiss to leave it unanswered. Let me try to clear this up.

Please see the attached screenshot above by me; This screenshot is something where I was directly explaining defender rights to a base owner, regarding questions they had about when they can protect their base.

The one you quoted above is where I was explaining the attacking situation from the position of the hostile party, that is doing the raiding. 

If this is unclear please DM me directly. Any specifics about the rule in this application will be handled in the verdict.

oh oke my bad

i read it the wrong way

pls forgib ;<

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  • Titanium
Posted (edited)

As the most wholesome community member i wanna point three things and i want deconstruction company to stop back and forth with other party.

1st - other party has to learn about defending rights while even getting raided , blowed up gate doesnt give you and your friends kill rights ,  even if you login after restart  you have to warn other party that base is yours and make them comply , if you gave enough time and they didnt comply , slime them all. YET ,WHAT HAPPENED WAS , YOU BOYS GET EXCITED , AND STARTED KOS , RDM. What i can tell from my experience , you guys never did double mic. What i heard random initiation after restart and random gunshots , KoS(kordruga kos'd in front of me by bored member of other party). After i made uncon any of other party i double miced '' i killed one '' to make you feel i'm not only doing discord , but double mic and give you at least my position.I initiate , gave chance to comply , but other party member played better than me and made me uncon.

2nd - As you're not part of approved group, you boys are a bit confused about kill rights, but its ok. Everyone can do some faults. A friendly suggestion is ; you all have to read kill rights in rule section very loud and repeat it until you understand. You guys never double mic'd but KoS'd RDM'd  @Kordruga in front of me.

3rd - Please learn how to be a good sport.This is just a game , i hate people who are turning reports into an argue or discussion ( derailing report by accusing lies etc. ), there is no need to lie or twist the situation , post your povs and answer staffs questions ,  own the thing you or your friends made and wait the verdict. If you think verdict is not fair , please do appeal. Do not spend your time empty , do not steal our time , do not steal staffs time. Because you cannot influence,bias Staff with lies , etc. They always look to the events or reports from a neutral position and thinks , determines , and decides from both sights ( Attacker , Defender ).

In the end , i love y'all 🥰

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Outcome

@JasonBR - Abuse of Game Mechanics & Invalid Kill (On Sight) - Guilty

@TaniksBR - Attempted Invalid Kill - Guilty

@XxGrAipYyxX - Invalid Kill (On Sight) - Guilty

 

Summary

We have a lot of ground to cover here, so I'll try to keep this brief. @Kordruga, @Burak, @burRP & @General Rickets (From now on referred to as the Raiding Party) have found themselves a target to raid. This target is a base that is owned by a dynamic of players working together, the parties involved today being @JasonBR, @TaniksBR, @XxGrAipYyxX, & @8Dust8 (From now on referred to as the Base Owners).

The Raiding Party was well underway into their raid, having destroyed some doors, appropriated a vehicle, and begun to distribute the loot within. At this point the first member of the Base Owners, @8Dust8, logs in and realizes that their base is actively being raided. He conjures assistance into wakefulness, at almost the moment server restarts. @JasonBR logs in, acknowledging that the server had just restarted, and logs in to find @General Rickets unresponsive beside him. He initiates in what has been agreed on to be a number of times before @General Rickets logs in, tabs in, and promptly gets shot and killed.

After the death of @General Rickets, @JasonBR proceeds to continue down the hallway initiating, where he finds and kills @burRP. While abuse of game mechanics has been alleged here, we have no video evidence with which to prove it. @JasonBR is then shot and killed by @Burak.

Approximately 2 minutes after the death of @JasonBR, @TaniksBR & @XxGrAipYyxX log onto the server. This makes for 3/4 members of the Base Owners being on the server, with the only one that had initiated having perished in the firefight. @Burak drops an initiation while @Kordruga moves to assist, and @Kordruga is then killed by @XxGrAipYyxX after being shot at by @TaniksBR. @TaniksBR then walks into the open to initiate and is killed by @Burak. And finally to wrap this whole mess up, @8Dust8 successfully kills the last standing member of the Raiding Party, @Burak.

 

Reasoning

Abuse of Game Mechanics & Invalid Kill (On Sight)

We'll deal with this first. @JasonBR acknowledges in his opening post that he is aware of server restart. Despite this, which should have been a clue that everyone is restarting, he still chooses to initiate as the server is coming up on someone that he rather obviously should know is going through the same logging in process that he himself is going through. This is an unfortunate situation where we are going to be trusting @JasonBR's own word that he spawned in the same room @General Rickets was in, and didn't move in there first to take advantage and initiate on @General Rickets. Because @JasonBR took advantage of the logging in helplessness of @General Rickets, regardless of whether he initiated or not, the rulebreak voids the initiation and renders the kill invalid. The fact that @General Rickets was tabbed out of DayZ for 1.25 seconds on logging in does not make this situation any less invalid.

Even if @General Rickets had been logged in, not tabbed, and complied completely, it would still be abuse of game mechanics as you took advantage of the fact @General Rickets was helpless during login to get an easy initiation on him. 

 

Invalid Kills & Defender Rights

This report is going to be a lesson on when Base Owners actually gain defender rights. Not a single member of the Base Owner party at any point would have received defender rights, other then from @Burak when he initiated on them. From the points of view in the report, its obvious the Base Owners believed they had defender rights. We will now try to explain how this works. For reference, we will quote the defender rights rule below.

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4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.

If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

The most clear thing to note in the above; Your base is not you. When you are not on the server, your base is not a player. It can not truly be subjected to Hostile Actions. As a dynamic party, none of you can receive defender rights while you are offline. Even if you were an approved group, your base is not on the roster. It can not give you defender rights. We want to be abundantly clear that the rule requires a human victim to be present and known while the base is subjected to a hostile action, in order to grant defender rights.

In order to gain defender rights from your base being raided, you must meet ALL of the below criteria.:

  1. They must know that it is your home.
  2. They must know that you (or anyone else that lives there) is home.
  3. They take a hostile action against the base.

In this situation, quite literally none of the above were achieved.

  1. They did not know whose home it was.
  2. They certainly did not know anyone was home.
  3. At no point were any (visible) hostile actions taken with members of the Base Owners party online; The closest may be @8Dust8 who logged in and saw the aftermath of the raiding, but based on his POV he didn't see any actual hostile actions, only someone standing in the cars inventory.

For this reason, none of the kills or attempted kills by @TaniksBR or @XxGrAipYyxX are valid, and have resulted in a punishment for Invalid Kill (On Sight), and attempted invalid Kill. @8Dust8 validly killed @Burak, as an initiation was thrown by @Burak.

 

At the point that the Base Owners logged in, you are a dynamic party. None of you share rights with one another unless you've recently roleplayed with one another; this further solidifies that the kills were invalid, as you can not gain defender rights to protect your dynamic friends when you are all just logging into the server together in the midst of a Raid. You must each, individually, cover your asses by initiating separately.

 

Suggestions

@JasonBR - Do not initiate on people when they are logging in. If you know the server is in the middle of restarting, or has restarted,  don't start hostilities or wait a minute to log in. While we understand you and @General Rickets logged in at the exact same time, you need to put yourself in the shoes of @General Rickets. Whether he chose to comply or not, he logged in with a gun pointed at the back of his head and an initiation being dropped. This is textbook taking advantage of server restart mechanics, to gain an advantage over another player, as is conclusively shown in his video. He had no chance.

 

@TaniksBR & @XxGrAipYyxX- You both either attempted to shoot and kill @Kordruga, or succeeded at it, while you had no defender rights with which to do so, for the reasons described above. In the future when you log on to an active situation you must cover your own ass. You need to initiate on your own, independently, to make absolutely sure you are covered and do not run the risk of invalid kills.

 

To the entirety of the Base Defending Party: When you log in to protect your base, be cognizant of the rules around base defender rights, as explained above. If you are not online, you have options. You can initiate (barring server restarts to abuse) or you can loudly announce "This is my home, what are you doing here?" This ticks boxes 1 & 2; They now know its your home, and that you are present. Any further hostilities will grant the Base Defenders defender rights. It will also very likely force the Raiding Party into initiating, or withdrawing.

 

With that said;

Verdict

@JasonBR - Abuse of Game Mechanics/ Invalid Kill (On Sight) - Guilty - 7 day ban, 10 warning points.

@TaniksBR - Attempted Invalid Kill - Guilty - 2 day ban, 5 warning points.

@XxGrAipYyxX - Invalid Kill (On Sight) - Guilty - 7 day ban, 10 warning points.

 

Signed.: @Rover & @Jade

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