Why do you not Report?

[Player 1]

In my time in Staff and being on the server, I have noticed that a lot people complain about BadRP and other issues but REFUSE to report the issue. People have even quit playing because of the quality of RP and make up excuses why they don't report. Then quit playing claiming "Staff should fix this!" Yet, they will not put in there input or effort to help solve the problem. Not including those who resolve the issue OOC through a healthy discussion, why do you think people don't report? Do you Report or not? Explain why? How can we solve this problem?

In my opinion, I think people don't report is summed up to being lazy and not having video evidence. I can understand the lack of video evidence to some extent but it would still benefit the server to Report it regardless because of the results it could produce. Laziness, is honestly the biggest culprit and it's deplorable. Especially those who complain about it afterwards. It doesn't take much effort to sit down and write out what happened. 

Please keep this discussion civil. This is not meant to target anyone particular. This is aimed at helping bring some concerns to light and encourage people to work together to improve the server!

Staff, I hope you utilize this information

Edited October 7, 2020 by PATRIOT

[Jackfish]

Its pretty easy.

People who clearly break the rules don't get banned and the ones who barely break the rules get banned.

And video evidence gets you banned, fucking dumb.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Jackfish

[dom]

I don't report because frankly this is a game, I honestly don't have the fucking time to care about what goes on in game. I get a bad experience? I'm over it as soon as it's happened. I'm honestly not invested in the game whatsoever and I'm just here to play it. If it's that big an issue I'll do my upmost to solve it OOC with the other party because seeing people get punished like this is the crown prosecution service on a video game community really bothers me.

Oh and to add frankly I don't think I could ever report someone for BadRP. I don't rank my RP highly enough to consider someone else's poor.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Final Dom

[Sc0ttie]

Pretty simple reasoning on my part. People who break rules, usually don't get banned for what they do because of video evidence showing the reporting party breaking rules, and the effort it takes the report with the consequences.

Personally its either that, or because I couldn't care enough about the rule break, even if someone KOSed me I wouldn't care that much it's a whatever mentality and it takes more effort to report then not. If someone I know broke a rule, i'd DM them and let them know if it was an issue to me but beyond that I wouldn't report. There's no reason to get people banned and get people points as in my opinion it doesn't help anything. I would never wish someone banned from the community who provides roleplay just because they executed me invalidly or invalidly kill me or provide some BadRP at a point or don't value their life.

[Rover]

13 minutes ago, PATRIOT said:

In my opinion, I think people don't report is summed up to being lazy and not having video evidence

I don't think anyone doesn't report cause they are lazy.

Some may not report cause they don't have evidence.

 

Probably the largest portion from feedback I've gotten that don't report don't do it because they don't believe in getting people banned, don't believe in the system, don't trust the staff team, etc.

 

I don't report in most cases cause I talk things out. I'll usually save reports for egregious cases or when logs aren't pulled for me so I have to report it to figure out who it is to talk it out. (Last time that happened was before I was staff)

[Player 1]

Just now, Rover said:

I don't think anyone doesn't report cause they are lazy.

Some may not report cause they don't have evidence.

 

Probably the largest portion from feedback I've gotten that don't report don't do it because they don't believe in getting people banned, don't believe in the system, don't trust the staff team, etc.

 

I don't report in most cases cause I talk things out. I'll usually save reports for egregious cases or when logs aren't pulled for me so I have to report it to figure out who it is to talk it out. (Last time that happened was before I was staff)

I understand and respect that completely. From my own experience and from what I have been told by other players during my time as Staff and out of Staff, this is what I have been told. Some people beat around the bush on it and other straight up tell me bluntly. 

[dom]

1 minute ago, PATRIOT said:

I understand and respect that completely. From my own experience and from what I have been told by other players during my time as Staff and out of Staff, this is what I have been told. Some people beat around the bush on it and other straight up tell me bluntly. 

I agree with what Rover said. I don't enjoy a system that breeds the need to win IG fights on an OOC level. People get off to getting people punished in this community far too much.

[Brayces]

I always try and talk it out first. I often think Reports come from a knee jerk reaction and throwing more emotion into a already volatile situation only seems to cause more issues. If someone is being purposefully spiteful and mean then perhaps I would continue with a Report if talking about it failed first but more often than not I try and speak to people first. I don't care about gear or guns but the quality of RP I get. So if someone gives me piss poor RP, kills me for no reason, blatantly breaks a rule they may be new or just don't understand how to RP and I'd prefer to be able to help them than harm them right off the bat. There have been many times I could of reported someone(s) and got them banned or hit with a verdict but chose not to because it wouldn't serve any good in the end and we talked it out and resolved any issues. I recall once approaching someone who KOS'D me accidentally and they were so defeated that they would be reported and banned because of the video evidence I had that they legit seemed down like ''cool, another one of these...'' Instead we chatted about it and they apologized for the accident, explain and were respectful and I was cool with it.

As long as someone can learn from a poor or bad experience in RP even if there's a rule break I see no reason to report and punish them further. If they refuse or decide to get petty and snarky then I guess they didn't learn then!

[groovy blisna]

3 minutes ago, Rover said:

I don't think anyone doesn't report cause they are lazy.

Ay right here big man that’s me. Can’t be asked with some people. When two groups are having good role-play but one of the groups has a member who I saw broke a rule. Probably wouldn’t report it because that would ruin my experience and the opposing groups experience. I also wouldn’t report a major faction leader for a small thing considering that would also ruin my experience. 

[Squillium]

If everyone reported as vehemently as the saltiest among us we wouldn’t have a community rn. 

[Wulf]

There's hard rule breaks and soft rule breaks.

For me something like getting KOS'd is a hard rulebreak and is a standard report. Especially if the video evidence is banter.

But Bad RP related stuff is a lot softer imo, i only really start acting against that if it gets out of hand. Like if it was consistently shit RP for a long period of time from a large all powerful group with no signs of getting better. Even then though i don't think a report is necessarily the place to express the sum of all parts. I guess a feedback post would be better or even a community discussion.

I guess maybe this line of thinking might be a factor into why people don't just report badRP as and when they find it.

[neom]

coz i'm not a bitter person, the only time you need to report is when something serious happens. 99% of the time you can talk it out in discord or DM's and the people will learn from the mistakes and so will you. 

reporting is pointless imo and you will make a report an most the time its handled wrongly by staff anyway so, whats the point when you can sort it out among yourselves 

Edited October 7, 2020 by neom

[Zed JR]

Because most rule breaks are petty  and can be talked out rather then reported, i don't deem worth to report or it will spark a report war. Instead talk it out in DM's or Helpdesk if possible

If an individual repeats the behavior or lies in your face about it though then i see fit to report. 

But 99% of the time, a simple talk will suffice, as alot of the time they weren't even aware they were breaking a rule

Edited October 7, 2020 by ZedLR

[Elmo]

I don't approve of reports, even if its something like KoS or BadRP, I'd rather deal with that in-character and move on. 

[SwampyMuffinz]

Tbh a lot of times people don't even really mean to break the rules, there's just so many it's easy to slip one. An example being dynamic groups vs. official groups. A big dynamic group might get in a scuffle and if that one homie forgets to say "put your hands up" and technically doesn't have any kill rights, I think that's fine and personally would just let it slide. Also there's things that don't make sense from an RP perspective, so I think as long as your RP is solid, I'm not gonna try to cook you on rules. At the end of the day it's a RP server, not a rule play server you know? I think if you let some rule breaks slide passed you for the sake of bettering an RP, everyone benefits. 

[Nick]

I only report when some major thing will happen. However, honestly I always give a chance to solve it OOC in HD first. Sometimes people make mistakes and I'm very patient and understanding about it.

[Mike]

I honestly can't be bothered to sit down and type out a report, it's just a video game, so there's one reason. Secondly I don't want to see any fellow role players get banned so I don't bother putting them up and most of them time tell others not to post them.

[K2U]

I don't record, and have seen time and again that without video evidence reports turn up inconclusive. The few reports I have been involved in had video from someone else involved, or I wouldn't have bothered. 

[Stagsview]

I just cant be assed with the drama and the waste of time.

[G_DateSB]

It's just the hassle. One thing leads to another then boom turns to blow on a OOC level. To much drama so I just carry on with my day and shrug it off 

[Dallas Price]

Honestly, I feel that our community is alreadly lacking enough in numbers right  now, so I feel like reporting and potentially getting players banned will do more harm than good right now. With that being said, it depends on the situation, as some people aren't worth keeping around if they're continually causing problems.

 

Long story short, I'm often too lazy and I don't want to lessen the server population further.

[Whitename]

I only report things that have a clear impact on RP and even then it has to be bad. I don't leave a firefight going "Well that bastard might not have had rights on me!!!" and report somebody. Because at that point you're doing it just for the fleeting satisfaction of getting somebody banned. Dick move

 

As far as video evidence goes, as much as "just don't break a rule 4head" is kind of a meme, it's got merit to it. If you don't break rules while you roleplay you won't have to pretend you don't have video evidence to post. Story for another thread, though.

[AndreyQ]

I report if it's something that genuinely pissed me off or I don't like the person.

[rp]

I hate getting reported so i don't report either.

[Banshee]

I sometimes report rule-breaks, but it all depends on the severity of the rule-break - and most of the times I'd try and talk it out before creating a report. If someone is clearly taking the piss and breaking rules to an extreme extend, then yeah, fuck 'em and throw up a report - but if someone accidentally breaks a rules or has a clear misunderstanding of a rule, then I'd usually opt for talking it out with them and explain to them their wrong doings.

I've only ever reported someone 3 times (i believe) during my time here.

 

3 hours ago, Jackfish said:

And video evidence gets you banned, fucking dumb.

I'm sorry Jack, but this is not the case. Video-evidence by itself doesn't get you banned - breaking rules gets you banned. If you provide staff with video-evidence that clearly showcases you yourself breaking a rule, then yes, you will be punished for it. You can't report someone for breaking a rule, whilst breaking a rule yourself, and then expect not to get punished for it - that's not how things work. I understand your frustrations, and I get where you are coming from, but saying that video-evidence by itself gets you banned is false.