NVFL, HOSTILITIES 4.1, CHERNARAUS 2020-07-02, 01:28

[rhothar]

Server and location:  server 1, chernarus , novaya petrovka

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2020-07-02, 01:28

Your in game name: Eric Golani

Names of allies involved:  @Chimmy Chonga, @The1FreeMan420

Name of suspect/s:  unknown

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  our olga 24, and the attackers olga 24 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  no

Detailed description of the events: 

My friends and I were traveling east into novaya petrovka to get some gas for our car when we see another car heading our way. I stay in the right lane to avoid them but they purposefully move to that lane as well and crash into us head on. they did not attempt to avoid us at all. three individuals pop out of the car and make some noises like they are hurt. after this we are surveying the damage when someone calls out hands up. I do not know where this person was. it sounded to me like it came from the building we were crashed next to. I was looking at the vehicle inventory when it was called out so I stopped and by the time I could try to put my hands up I was shot dead.

I believe these individuals were looking to rob us from the start, and decided to run into us which I find to be NVFL and invalid kill because we were all injured in the accident and it could have resulted in the death of someone. there was also no communication between these guys before the initiation other then the few moans they made after the crash so there was possibly some OOC communication going on as well.

[The1FreeMan420]

Server and location:  server 1, chernarus , novaya petrovka

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2020-07-02, 01:28

Your in game name: Frank Krest

Names of allies involved:  @Chimmy Chonga, @rhothar

Name of suspect/s:  unknown

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):  our olga 24, and the attackers olga 24 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  no

Detailed description of the events: 

Myself (Frank), Eric, and Henry were traveling down the road when an approaching vehicle swerved in front of us and hit us head on. I got out right away. 3 people got out of the other car. One of them had a rifle in his hands and didnt seem to be saying anything. I then took my rifle out in case this person became more hostile.
After about 3 to 5 mins of assesing the damage someone screamed hands up and then immediately opened fire. I ran and jumped over a small wall for fear of my life. I stood up to see what was happening, someone had chased me from accross the street and killed me with weapons fire without saying anything at all. There was no time to react between the initiation and the hostile gun fire 
I feel as though they had intentionally crashed into us which may indicate no value to life. I also feel it was bad RP as no one was given any time to react to the commands. 

[rhothar]

The location was topolniki, we hadn't made it to novaya yet.

[Chimmy Chonga]

Henry Heller POV

My friends, Frank and Eric, and I had just gotten to the outskirts of Topolniki when we see another car in the distance approaching us. We moved to the right, as is our driving custom, and the approaching car seemed to stay in the center of the street. As they got closer the approaching car seemed to swerve into our car, which had no room to maneuver as we had moved as far right as possible on that road. When the crash was over we all got out of the car and made some noise to simulate a car crash victim, some seemed lacking, but as we assessed the damage to the car there was not much being said by any side other than Frank asking one of the opposing sides member to holster their weapon as it made him feel uncomfortable. I believe he asked him that 2 times before there was a shout to "Put your hands up" and no more than 1 second later people started shooting, Frank jumped a barrier wall and was instantly pushed and shot dead, Eric didnt even have time to react to the demands before he was slaughtered, I myself got a bullet while I was holding a battery to replace the one that was damaged in the crash. Had Frank not ran that barrier I feel I would have been killed, as I had no time to put my hands up before being shot.

My friends lay dead and my hands are raised and I received poor hostile role play from one of the 2 people that I actually interacted with, Erik I think was the name of the bandit that actually supplied the best R.P throughout the entire encounter. He told me that they were a group of bandits that were just going to do what they have to do to survive since the russians had pulled out of the region. I have no problem with bandit R.P. but I feel very strongly that this was done poorly. I do understand that there was a car to fix but it shouldnt have taken more then a couple minuets with 2 people to fix a car that had crashed into an identical car that had the needed repair parts, let alone the 4 or what seemed like 5 of them. To me that feels like our car was fixed ASAP and our robbery was purely gear based and had no R.P. intentions.

When they did leave I was left with no water to speak of and almost no food, granted I was not far from town. This on top of the poor R.P and what seemed like the unfair death of my friends has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Before the "initiation" happened, if you could call it that, a member of the bandits group approached our car and seemed to be surveying the contents, not long after that is when they dropped the "initiation" again if you could call it that.

I would also like to add that I believe this group has robbed me before and the bandit R.P. that I received was also very poor. I may be mistaken but I do not think so.

Unfortunately I do not have any video evidence but I feel this has been a violation of the NVFL rule and 2 Invalid Kills.

[Jade]

Connection Logs:

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00:09:23 | Player "David Grant" is connected 
00:56:26 | Player "David Grant" has been disconnected
01:08:30 | Player "David Grant" is connected 
02:02:26 | Player "David Grant" has been disconnected


00:07:24 | Player "Frank Krest" is connected
-DEAD-
01:27:55 | Player "Frank Krest" has been disconnected


00:05:35 | Player "Eric Golani" is connected
-DEAD-
01:35:15 | Player "Eric Golani"has been disconnected


00:16:52 | Player "Henry Heller" is connected 
02:02:26 | Player "Henry Heller"  has been disconnected


23:18:18 | Player "Erik Horak" is connected
02:02:26 | Player "Erik Horak" has been disconnected


21:52:42 | Player "Janda Kacek" is connected
02:02:26 | Player "Janda Kacek" has been disconnected


21:53:35 | Player "Felix Dubocek" is connected
02:02:26 | Player "Felix Dubocek" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs:

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01:27:35 | Player "Henry Heller" hit by Player "David Grant"  with FN-FAL from 5.20596 meters 

01:27:35 | Player "Eric Golani" hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.71816 meters 
01:27:35 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.71816 meters 
01:27:36 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.67832 meters 
01:27:36 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.67832 meters 
01:27:36 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.90206 meters 
01:27:36 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 3.06296 meters 

01:27:36 | Player "Henry Heller" hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 5.946 meters 

01:27:40 | Player "Frank Krest" hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 4.68905 meters 
01:27:40 | Player "Frank Krest" (DEAD) hit by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 4.44295 meters 

 

 

Kill Logs:

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01:27:35 | Player "Eric Golani" (DEAD) killed by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 2.71816 meters 
01:27:40 | Player "Frank Krest" (DEAD) killed by Player "David Grant" with FN-FAL from 4.44295 meters 

 

 

Position Logs:

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01:27:26 | Player "Janda Kacek" (pos=<2943.7, 12430.8, 214.2>)
01:27:26 | Player "Felix Dubocek" (pos=<2917.4, 12437.1, 214.1>)
01:27:26 | Player "Erik Horak" (pos=<2906.6, 12418.7, 215.0>)
01:27:26 | Player "Eric Golani" (pos=<2910.9, 12434.2, 214.2>)
01:27:26 | Player "Frank Krest" (pos=<2907.4, 12430.8, 214.3>)
01:27:26 | Player "Henry Heller" (pos=<2912.8, 12430.5, 214.2>)
01:27:26 | Player "David Grant" (pos=<2916.4, 12437.6, 214.1>)

 

Calling in the following people to post their POVs and any unedited video evidence they may have.

Allies:

@rhothar - Eric Golani (OP) | POSTED

@The1FreeMan420 - Frank Krest | POSTED

@Chimmy Chonga - Henry Heller | POSTED

 

Accused:

@cultist - David Grant | POSTED

@groovy blisna - Janda Kacek | POSTED

@Clarence - Felix Dubocek | POSTED

@groovy patz - Erik Horak | POSTED

 

[groovy blisna]

Rightio.

So i was driving into novya to drop off @groovy patz and @Clarence to when entering town i get a huge lag spike and my car starts flying on my screen (can provide example clip) and i lose control for a couple of seconds. After dropping them off I go pick up @cultist and everyone else again. We all get together and start driving to Novya and spot the other party at a barn down the road. As we are driving, I experience the same lag as before and accidently crash into the other party. We RP crashing and then finally get out of the car and are told by the opposing party to holster our weapons whilst theirs are unholstered. PatZ dissapears while the rest of us roleplay and he says over the radio that he's going to tell them to put their hands up to which the rest of us begin to get some distance. patz drops his initiation so the rest of us do the same. @cultist being in the middle of the street he is seen by all members of the opposing party and identifiable as you are now being told to put your hands up. One of the guys complies who I aim at while the other runs for a wall and jumps it. He stands up and points his weapon at @cultist but is promptly killed. I didn't see what happened to the other guy. I RP with mister Henry and ask some general questins. Stuff like that. patz takes over and I do downstairs to figure out the car problems.

also @Jade While i dont have video evidence of the event. I do have video of what my lag might have looked like so you can better understand what i saw. if you want to DM me.

Edited July 2, 2020 by groovy blisna

[Hennessy]

PatZ PoV:

On the look for building materials, and equipment, we were heading up the road in our olga, until @groovy blisna lagged out and crashed into a car with some other people in it. After rping out the crash, all of the people from OPs party got out of the vehicle and drew their weapons. At this point i realized that they might try something out of anger or whatever. I deceided to get into the house behind them. As i jog past them i could hear them demanding @cultist and @Clarence as well as @groovy blisna to holster their guns, allthought they didnt initate it came across as bad sign to us. For us to put our guns away whilst they have theirs drawn.

Expecting an initiation from their end, i deceided to act first and in surprise. I went into the green house behind them, making sure i was far enough away to be able to whisper "i will initiate in 3" on the raido and on the lowest voice volume in game. After that, I upped my volume to 3 and dropped an initation after this, @cultist and the others dropped theirs. A firefight ensued ending in the death of 2/3 of the OPs due to non compliance. Only Henry deceided to comply. I sort myself out whilst the guys RP with the hostage. I then take over the hostage RP and give the guy an explanation because to why we were taking their stuff and why we deceided to get the jump on them. It was not our intent to crash into the car, purely to get you to stop. One car got ruined like that as well as yours badly damaged (engine on orange). Would we have robbed you anyways if we had a better option? The answer is we debated on it, but us crashing into you guys was a lag on @groovy blisna side and not us trying to stop u like that. In fact, you were spottet prior by one of us looting the town, as some of us were still looting the area and not in the car by that time. We debated on setting up a roadblock to initate on you guys on your way towards Novaya. In the end we left it be because we didnt care as much, but the fact that you acted all suss after the crash made us do what we did.

 

3 hours ago, The1FreeMan420 said:

After about 3 to 5 mins of assesing the damage someone screamed hands up and then immediately opened fire. I ran and jumped over a small wall for fear of my life. I stood up to see what was happening, someone had chased me from accross the street and killed me with weapons fire without saying anything at all. There was no time to react between the initiation and the hostile gun fire 
I feel as though they had intentionally crashed into us which may indicate no value to life. I also feel it was bad RP as no one was given any time to react to the commands. 

You claim to have heard the initation and deceided to run for a stonewall, with that you were not following our demands of putting your hands up and therefor got fired upon. I also would like to add, that once arrived at the stonewall, you raised your gun and fired at my friends.

 

2 hours ago, Chimmy Chonga said:

When they did leave I was left with no water to speak of and almost no food, granted I was not far from town. This on top of the poor R.P and what seemed like the unfair death of my friends has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

I would also like to add that I believe this group has robbed me before and the bandit R.P. that I received was also very poor. I may be mistaken but I do not think so.

You state our RP was bad and poorley done, i have to disagree with you here. I feel like we gave you decent hostile RP and explained to you, what happend and why, i even went as far to include your characters backstory, talking with you about your previous job here in South Zagoria and your love for Lord of the Rings. If you have anything you feel we could improve let us know and we can debate on it.

I also recall giving you painkillers and asking if you were alright and if you wanted water etc. That would have been the time to tell me that you could use something to drink. Food you had left in your backpack if i remember correctly.

[The1FreeMan420]

No one else initiated. you initiated us from inside a building... and there was no firefight, it was one sided, you killed us. No time to react. no one was clear about who was being initiated on or by who. Only 1 of us had a gun out right away and that was me. you killed eric while he was in the vehicles engine bay inventory. he didnt have a chance to react. screaming hands up from insise a building is not a proper initiation and is badrp. im pretty sure my death was an invalid kill since you were out of sight, inside a building, and i didnt hear anyone else say aything. i never had a chance to fire i was immediately pushed and when i stood up there was a person standing at the wall next to a telephone pole and i was shot and killed. i never had time to react to your command, i reacted to the gun shots. But it deosnt matter. I learned my lesson. I will be recording everything from now on. This was so far the worst experience i have had in dayz rp, granted i only have around 20 some hours. If you were serious about it you wouldve actually talked to us. you couldve called out to me behind the wall to come out with my hands up, right? i was pushed/rushed, imo that deosnt seem like life was valued. you guys saw our inventory and ooc decided to gun us down for our loot... i dont even care about that. i care about meaninful interactions. that was not one of them. 

also, the only one i saw with a gun drawn, which btw is why i had mine, was the dude the FAL. and i politely said, 'sir can you please holster your weapon' there was no demand. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by The1FreeMan420

[groovy chernon]

David Grant's POV:

We are driving in our vehicle, looking for much needed building supplies, when another car approaches us fast. The driver of our car swerves to get out of the way, but lags and accidentally hits the car instead, which anyone who has ever driven a car in DayZ knows how much the vehicles lag. We actually roleplay out being injured and stunned from the crash, while the people in the other car instantly get out of their car with weapons out, while screaming asking why we hit them. At this point they seemed like they were going to try and initiate on us since they were already being aggressive, so I get out of the car with my gun out just in case they did, when they started becoming even more aggressive, demanding that we put our weapons away while they still had their weapons out themselves. While i'm still trying to recuperate from the crash, the individuals from the other car continue to be suspicious, standing there staring at us with their guns out without saying anything. One of them then starts walking behind us and @groovy patz says he's going to initiate, which he then yells an initiation. Right after I hear his initiation, I initiate myself loud and clear on all three of them (I initiated several times making sure they could hear it), in which case one of them near their car didn't comply and did not raise his hands after I gave him enough time to do so, so I shoot him due to noncompliance. Right after that, I notice one of them had noncomplied then run and hid behind a guard rail, so I run over there to see him aiming a gun at me, so I kill him as he sprays at me. The last guy who actually complied began insulting us while he was a hostage, and didn't seem to care about the situation at all while we tried to RP with him for a long period of time. We only had problems with the vehicles because the cars themselves were heavily damaged and almost all the parts and the engines themselves were heavily damaged.

Saying we didn't "value our lives" because of the commonly known DayZ lag that caused two vehicles to collide is untrue, we are all very aware of the DayZ bugs and high pop lag associated with vehicles, and how easy it is to die from these vehicles. 

I'm also confused on why you think it's completely fine to hear "put your hands up or you're dead", then sprint behind cover, point and shoot a weapon at me, die, then say i'm at fault? 

Edited July 2, 2020 by cultist
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[rhothar]

david @cultist was the first to draw a weapon after the crash. no one demanded that you holster your weapon. the only person who asked that was frank. and he said "hey man can you holster your weapon?" in a regular voice. we seen you creeping by us when we were moving our stuff to the other car by the barn as our first olga had a bad gas tank. after we swapped parts and were making our way to fill the new car you had made a 180* to come back towards us showing your premeditation to attempt the robbery. I must correct my friend in that I did draw my krink after i seen david with his gun and some zombies came our way and i opted to butt one in the face then trap it in a house. I came back to the car and seen david with weapon still drawn and someone walking by the back of the car, presumably searching its contents. I walked up to the driver side facing away from david and started to assess the damage to try and fix the car. that's when the initiation dropped from the building and only came from you. as I heard no other person yell hands up. I exited the inventory screen to be gunned down.

your fear of being initiated on is solely because your friend had his gun drawn immediately causing frank to draw his in concern. no one on our side had plans to do anything to you guys other then fix our car and keep moving. It does not make any sense that immediately after being in a head on collision that anyone would go straight to robbing the person they crashed into unless it was on purpose. I highly doubt there was any lag on your part, you got out of the vehicle right away and were moving fine. we seen you from far enough away that you would have plenty of time to correct but you instead drove straight in our lane until crashing into us. I moved to the far right of the road and started slowing, you kept pace and aimed right for us. ive seen plenty of vehicle de-sync and this wasn't like that.

and as frank said, this wasn't a firefight, the only person to fire a gun was on your side. making this a ambush slaughter. You guys were OOC planning it. as the only thing said during the whole ordeal was moans from the crash, me asking why you ran into us with no reply, and frank asking david if he would holster his gun.

were all four of you in the car when it crashed or were one of you already posted up in one of the houses?

[rhothar]

4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is

@groovy blisna : PatZ dissapears while the rest of us roleplay and he says over the radio that he's going to tell them to put their hands up to which the rest of us begin to get some distance. patz drops his initiation so the rest of us do the same.

by your own admission there was nothing clear about your initiation. you purposely made it harder for us to understand what was happening.

@groovy blisna : So i was driving into novya to drop off @groovy patz and @Clarence to when entering town i get a huge lag spike and my car starts flying on my screen (can provide example clip) and i lose control for a couple of seconds. After dropping them off I go pick up @cultist and everyone else again. We all get together and start driving to Novya and spot the other party at a barn down the road. As we are driving, I experience the same lag as before and accidently crash into the other party.

From what ive seen you get a bit of lag when entering an area you haven't been through yet as it loads the environment. by your own admission you have already been through this area and such it is unlikely you would experience anymore lag. as you were driving the opposite direction through the same place you just traveled.

@groovy blisna : Would we have robbed you anyways if we had a better option? The answer is we debated on it.

you were looking to rob us when we were moving stuff from our car and so your turned around. when you seen us driving towards you, you knew there wasn't much of an option to stop us at that point other then ram into us. so you did.

[groovy blisna]

How could we be clearer? I do not understand what is ambiguous about "all of you, put your hands up or die." We specified targets, and gave clear demands. It is on you, whether you comply to the given demands and in this instance, you didn't.

20 minutes ago, rhothar said:

@groovy blisna : PatZ dissapears while the rest of us roleplay and he says over the radio that he's going to tell them to put their hands up to which the rest of us begin to get some distance. patz drops his initiation so the rest of us do the same.

by your own admission there was nothing clear about your initiation. you purposely made it harder for us to understand what was happening.

How does us spreading out give admission that the initation was not clear? We never made it purposely harder for you to understand a clear initiation, we made it purposely harder for you to fight back when the initaition was dropped. A tactical advantage is not creating some sort of ambiguarity to our demands. 

 

21 minutes ago, rhothar said:

@groovy blisna : So i was driving into novya to drop off @groovy patz and @Clarence to when entering town i get a huge lag spike and my car starts flying on my screen (can provide example clip) and i lose control for a couple of seconds. After dropping them off I go pick up @cultist and everyone else again. We all get together and start driving to Novya and spot the other party at a barn down the road. As we are driving, I experience the same lag as before and accidently crash into the other party.

From what ive seen you get a bit of lag when entering an area you haven't been through yet as it loads the environment. by your own admission you have already been through this area and such it is unlikely you would experience anymore lag. as you were driving the opposite direction through the same place you just traveled.

Anyone who has played DayZ knows that vehicle lag is unpredictable. No matter if the town was loaded in or not. Doesnt matter. There are many things that can happen. It could freeze. it could stop controls or inputs of your keyboard. you could even fly through the ground and teleport. Unfortunately one of those happened here. 

25 minutes ago, rhothar said:

@groovy blisna : Would we have robbed you anyways if we had a better option? The answer is we debated on it.

you were looking to rob us when we were moving stuff from our car and so your turned around. when you seen us driving towards you, you knew there wasn't much of an option to stop us at that point other then ram into us. so you did

I never said this, patz did. Again, we never rammed you on purpose, and if we wanted to rob you initially we would've set up a roadblock instead of ramming someone off the road. We have all played long enough that it's clearly a poor idea to intentionally ram someone in a car (dayz physics, and dayzrp rules alike). The initiation was dropped as a countermeasure to foreboding hostilities and the fact that we now did need a new car.

[Chimmy Chonga]

The only further thing Ill add is that I said that 1 of the 2 people i R.P with in the situation was good. The one that was screaming at me to shut the fuck up while I had not said anything but some grunts and coughs, sticking a rifle barrel into my chest, was the bad one. When the poor initiation was dropped there was no one that I could see within 5 feet of my character, and Eric was straight across the engine block from me. Frank never shouldered a rifle to my knowledge but I got a little nervous for myself when I was SHOT without having a weapon in my hand at all. Eric was also killed in that manner. Neither of us made any kind of move that would imply we were not going to comply with your demands. 1 person had weapons out in our party once we started to fix the car, who wouldnt pull a weapon after someone seemingly crashes into us on purpose. When your group never said a word we figured we would try to get the car fixed before you guys robbed us, which is what i knew was going to happen to us as soon as your crashed into us. Out of all the initiations that have been dropped on me this was by far the most hectic and confusing situation that ended in the wrongful death of 1 individual. Frank should not have ran or at the very least should have holstered his weapon when the terrible initiation was dropped but that fact is the initiation was so confusing he probably didnt know it was for us three. i have no video proof but the initiation was not specific in anyway, with only a "PUT YOUR HANDS UP PUT YOUR FUCKIN HANDS UP" being said. Not one member of our group had even left the car so there is a mistake on your part about who you saw looting the town, also at the "barn" as you say. If you did see us repairing our car then your robbery must have been premeditated and you must have decided crashing was the best option to stop us, since you say you had been talking about it amongst yourselves. again i do not have video proof but i have the software so next time we wont have this he says she says back and forth. just truth

Edited July 2, 2020 by Chimmy Chonga
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[Clarence]

POV: 

I was in Novaya looking for nails and other building supplies, after a long journey through Novaya and finding nothing, myself and PatZ are picked up by Blisna and Cultist. On our way out of town another car comes speeding around the corner, my frames were acting up in Novaya for a while so most of what I saw was OPs car then us slammed into the bonnet of their's. myself and the driver were stuck inside the car for about 10-15 seconds not being able to get out, all 3 of them hopped out of their car only said one thing and spread out. Once I was able to get out I helped Blisna remove car parts, fix the car and speak a few words to OP. About after 30 seconds we get told to holster our weapons by OP and they're all staring at us saying practically nothing. PatZ disappears from sight tells us he's gonna initiate on them about 5-10 seconds later we hear an initiation, whilst this is happening I'm still fixing the car and Cultist initiates on them beside me, the guy fixing their car complies, the other two decide to non-comply. After Cultist kills the first one near the car I manage to put the car parts away and initiate on the last two. Cultist at this point chased the last non-complying bloke into a ditch, gets shot at by him and drops him. We bandage the complying hostages wounds, take him up into the house, give him RP and start fixing the car. After about 5-10 minutes of speaking to the hostage, we leave in a car and head back towards home.

[rhothar]

@Clarence What words did we speak?

The only thing I said was "why did you run into us?" After the crash and no-one responded and then I ran down the road to get rid of a zombie. And when I came back to look at the car nothing was said to us until the guy in the house initiated.

[Eddie]

Verdict: 

@cultist -Invalid kill (Roleplayed) on @The1FreeMan420 - NOT GUILTY | Invalid kill (Roleplayed) on @rhothar, Metagaming, BadRP- INCONCLUSIVE
@groovy blisna -  Metagaming, BadRP, NVFL - INCONCLUSIVE
@Clarence -  Metagaming, BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE
@groovy patz - Metagaming, BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE

Explanation:

The situation begins as the OP and co were traveling the outskirts of Topolniki when they see another vehicle approaching from the opposite direction, this so happens to be the vehicle of the accused who were out in search of supplies. The OP's vehicle stays in the lane to avoid a collision but the other vehicle carrying the accused crossed over and a head on collision occurred. The occupants of both vehicles begin to exit the vehicle's to survey the damage. After a couple of minutes the accused party initiates on the OP's party resulting in the death of the OP and @The1FreeMan420 who was killed by @cultist. After the two died, only @Chimmy Chonga was left there to be questioned by the accused side. Once the accused left Chimmy Chonga went about his way as the lone survivor.

The staff team have reviewed all of the POV's provided and we have come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence,  as the POV's from both the OP's side and the accused side conflict with one another therefore we have reached a verdict of Inconclusive. There is no video evidence that was provided to prove what actually happened in this situation. We would highly recommend recording your game play in the future if you are capable of doing so.

Also regarding the car crash, there was insufficient video evidence to prove that the crash was done in a malicious manner. Lag could have indeed been an issue resulting in the head on collision but as stated we don't have any evidence to back up either claim.

We have reached a Not Guilty verdict regarding the death of @The1FreeMan420 as stated in his own POV he ran and jumped the wall when the initiation had dropped and he was killed by @cultist for going non compliant. 

@The1FreeMan420 In the future when you hear an initiation it is best to comply instead of running away as that can be seen as going non compliant resulting in your character being wounded or killed. 

Outcome:

@cultist -Invalid kill (Roleplayed) on @The1FreeMan420 - NOT GUILTY | Invalid kill (Roleplayed) on @rhothar, Metagaming, BadRP- INCONCLUSIVE | No action taken
@groovy blisna -  Metagaming, BadRP, NVFL - INCONCLUSIVE | No action taken
@Clarence -  Metagaming, BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE | No action taken
@groovy patz - Metagaming, BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE | No action taken

Signed by: @Eddie, @Banshee and @Jade