Am I the only one dissapointed by the "Russian only" approach the new lore has set up?

[rokvam]

The new lore is out, and in my opinion it has made the Chernarus server a "Russian fetish" only community. 

Livonia lore, the only one open for players partial to characters with UN, NATO, Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders affiliation, is practically dead.

In my opinion this is due to Livonia lore beeing devoid of a real story line, there is no conflict or exitement there. Playing there just does not seem interesting right now. 

Now, you could argue the sheer number of players on the Chernarus server prove me wrong, but I play every day, that does not mean I like all of the new lore.

I suspect I am not alone, but I could be wrong of course. 

I also find the lore unrealistic in some areas...

I don't think The Red cross and Doctors without borders would be absent in a country with the issues the country is facing. If you look at the Corona epidemic, groups of both Norwegian and German doctors was sent to Italy to assist the Italians in batteling the epidemic. 

Also I think the UN, the EU and NATO would want to have a say about the Russian take-over in Chernarus.

For those about to say "What about Ukraine"? I would say that both NATO, the EU and the USA is very much involved there still, and Russia has not anexed all of Ukraine... Not yet anyway. 

Am I alone in feeling this way about the new lore?

Right now I play on "old indtinct", hoping the lore will open up for other characters than Russian or Chernorussian...

Yeah-yeah-yeah! I know you can have foreign characters now as well, but you know what I mean... They can't be organised or linked to any of the organisations I mentioned above. 

As it stands now, players with foreign characters will always be at the mercy of the huge Russian and Chernorussian factions, suffering the "Foreigners go home" rant from the Chernorussian side, and the "Give us all your weapons" rant from the Russian side. 

But seriously... Is this how it will be? UN, Red Cross and NATO in a dead Livonia server only? 

And am I the only one a bit dissapointed? 

[OxeN]

stay tuned, there might be light in the tunnel, who knows what could happen the next weeks.

[ImPreacher]

I fully agree. Seeing the US not taking any action after Russia pretty much fucking invades Chernarus, doesn't make quite a lot of sense. I know that the US is dealing with their own epidemic that's happening but it doesn't make sense that NATO troops wouldn't still be stationed there and would just pull out of the war for whatever reason. I think that the US wouldn't just sit and watch Russia expand.

Edited June 5, 2020 by The Preacher

[Whitename]

There’s a majority of Russians in my Russian country?!??!?! How UNREALISTIC!?!??

Come on. 

It’s not that far fetched. 

The borders to Chernarus have been closed and the UN have cleared out a long time ago. You can’t just play your UN / NATO megasoldier because they wouldn’t be deployed there. 

This is a GREAT change imo. I’m sick and tired of the same old UN / NATO American soldiers running around Chernarus like it’s nothing. It’s a way overplayed character style and I’m glad to see it is very encouraged to NOT play this. It just makes zero sense to have a majority foreign military population in the country. If I have to hear the words “alpha company” or “bravo command” or “delta whatever” one more time I might just lose it  

Play a Russian character. Apply for the RAC/RF and see how it goes. I think you won’t be disappointed

 

[Itsmez]

I think its just better, makes more sense and the less we have US supersoldiers the better it is. Now people are forced to do something else and interesting

[tripzkill]

1 minute ago, The Preacher said:

I fully agree. Seeing the US not taking any action after Russia pretty much fucking invades Chernarus doesn't make quite a lot of sense. I know that the US is dealing with their own epidemic happening but it doesn't make sense that NATO troops wouldn't be still stationed there and would just pull out of the war for whatever reason. I think that the US wouldn't just sit there and watch Russia expand.

Yes the us would never let Russia expand like when it took parts of the Ukraine

[Cuchulainn]

I think its better, no super soldier NATO marines running around doing flips and shit in Chernarus. Been having loads of fun and am actually happy to see loads of Eastern European characters rather than western characters.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Cuchulainn

[rokvam]

2 minutes ago, OxeN said:

stay tuned, there might be light in the tunnel, who knows what could happen the next weeks.

Hope ignited... But the light in the tunel could be an incoming freight train

[Conor]

Just now, tripzkill said:

Yes the us would never let Russia expand like when it took parts of the Ukraine

Or in the Russo-Georgian War...

[Rover]

You are four days into the lore.

That is why nothing has been done yet. Countries are still reacting/planning/etc.

Stay tuned, be patient, read the FAQ for how to play a western character in Chernarus.

 

 

[Blake]

I get what you are saying but it is still a game and stuff like this will happen. 

When it comes to Americans and foreigners in general there are a lot of things that also doesn't make sense. 
Met multiple characters from the US claiming they came here because of various reasons, yet they run around with huge ass guns and looking like super soldiers, why? Because its still just a game and we should just let it play out. 

[Charlie]

I do really enjoy this lore, it gives people the challenge of adapting and not having their way. Yes, Livonia is dead, but that is good.

Slava Chernarus all the way.

[Bear]

Yes I do think it's been isolated and people are sort of forced down a path, but from what I'm aware this new lore will actually be fluid and change and flow as we play, new things will be introduced as we go along and the infection gets worse or things change in game. 

 

It's nice way to have it tbh 

[Inferno]

Im happy with the way the lore is set up atm. As Rover says it's only day 4 into the lore, it makes A LOT OF SENSE that no NATO/US intervention is going on at the beginning since the whole god damn world is dealing with the same problem and before a country sends it's military to a foreign area first they gotta deal with the problem on their own soil right? If the US decides to send a whole army to a random ass country like Chernarus instead of clearing it's own land from what is going on that makes absolutely no sense at all. The LMs most likely have a plan later down the road for foreign stuff but all you gotta do is have patience. 

[rokvam]

2 minutes ago, Blake said:

I get what you are saying but it is still a game and stuff like this will happen. 

When it comes to Americans and foreigners in general there are a lot of things that also doesn't make sense. 
Met multiple characters from the US claiming they came here because of various reasons, yet they run around with huge ass guns and looking like super soldiers, why? Because its still just a game and we should just let it play out. 

I don't disagree that having ton's of US supersoldiers running around is annoying,... But what about the Red Cross, Doctors Without borders? The new lore also prohibit such characters...

[Lori]

God fuck no.

One of my biggest gripes back in the day was how 90% of the server were foreign military characters who never did their actual military research. They just watched whatever Michael Bay movie circle jerked the military that year and decided to play one. They did absolutely no research because "It's the military of my country so how hard could it be?". It was so fucking painful.

Also, what's with this "AMERICA WOULD STEP IN HU HA" nonsense? The USA has a long and storied history of not stepping into conflicts until it has something for them to gain from it or it becomes publicity suicide not to get involved. Just look at how Libya's going.

Honestly? From what I've seen of your profile and character, you shouldn't be talking about the "Russian Fetish" when you seem to have a "Military Fetish".

I'm 100% GLAD people have to put more thought into their characters than "Hurrduurrr I military! I instantly GOOD at errythiiiing!"

Edited June 5, 2020 by Lori

[Jade]

Honestly I think it's fine. We don't need American/British/whatever military invading every single country in the lore, whole point of the new lore was to go for something different than the arma lore.  

Either way... I think more people should play your average Joe type character instead of trying to play "american super sniper sent on super secret cia mission from the president himself" if anything that's more immersion breaking then seeing only Russians and Chernarussians in a  prominently Russian country.

[Guest]

No no and no. 

Seriously, this Lore is fantastic, yes for some roleplayers, there are limitations (although see this as a plus) since it gives you the opportunity to get out of your safe space and do something new and try something new and experience the game from a different perspective. 

For others it's a chance to show their experience with Russian /Chernarussian characters which ends up giving good experiences to everyone. 

You can wait for when Western forces might enter the picture, if ever (although you are losing alot by not playing and enjoying these moments). 

Also it's much better for this (since it's technically an alternate universe) to give a different world to play in. 

 

8 minutes ago, The Preacher said:

I fully agree. Seeing the US not taking any action after Russia pretty much fucking invades Chernarus doesn't make quite a lot of sense. I know that the US is dealing with their own epidemic happening but it doesn't make sense that NATO troops wouldn't be still stationed there and would just pull out of the war for whatever reason. I think that the US wouldn't just sit there and watch Russia expand.

Yes, but actually no. I mean the referendums did happen and I don't see Donetsk and Luhansk back under the Ukrainian flag.

 

As a final thing, you don't need to be a soldier if X secret agency, or X army that comes to help and fails miserably, to roleplay, being a tourist or a local, or even joining one of the Lore Factions is still a viable and better option.

I've been part of this community for a while and after seeing US groups or whatever come and go(I was also part of one said group back in 2013) and just provide sub par (not bad) experiences, I believe people just do this to make themselves feel important. 

 

Go out there, experience something new and roll with what you're given. Trust me, you'll enjoy it so much better than the typical soldier background. 

[Eddie]

My opinion is just enjoy being the foreigner for a while and see where it goes.

 

Like everyone stated we are only days into this new lore so enjoy it and let's see what the future holds....

[Drbeans]

In my opinion, this change in lore is a great way to get people out of their comfort zones and more open to try new things. There should be a bigger population of Russian/Chernarussians running around in Chernarus than Western military forces. I am also stepping outside my comfort zone for this lore and looking to play a Chernarussian character for the first time ever  The community is pretty forgiving about beginner accents as long as you are making an effort and doing your best to provide others with enjoyable roleplay! 

Take some risks, do something new - there's no harm in trying! There's also no shame in your character being an average everyday joe.

[Duplessis]

I disagree. You can still be a foreigner. You can still be a soldier. The only thing you can't be is deployed to Chernarus. Which makes sense. NATO deploying troops to a territory which is legally controlled by the Russian Federation would provoke World War III.

[Knight]

The lore will bring us more stuff later down the line, tbh iam really glad myself that i don't have to run into the same nato/un groups for the 100th time.

Also the un/nato/us not stepping in outlandish ? it's not like the chechen recieved any support for thier fight for indipendence.

[Jackfish]

US Super soldiers Zzzzzzzzzzz..

I am so glad I dont run into US soldiers who were here to save the day. 

I love the current state of RP, its a russian country. It makes sense for russians to be here

[Sgttater]

You act like the world is fucked outside of here. It's open ended. They could still come, just not now.

[Brayces]

My question is, why do we always NEED to have a UN/NATO Faction at start of Lore? Why does it always have to be the US? Why are western soldiers the default "priority" when it comes to combat effective people? We've had the same start of Lore for the past five years or so. It was time for a change, desperately. 

You have Russia and Chernarus as the military leaders in the country as it makes sense. During the Civil War the West pulled out ENTIRELY. They abandoned Chernarus after first aiding them against Russia. Why would Russian people or even Chernarussian people welcome them back from either sides perspective? They are not welcomed. They are shut out. That's the Lore. Will this change in the future? Probably! A lot will change! That's how Lore works, it moves forward and changes. We have so many avenues we can explore and welcome as time moves forward. Shelf your US based super soldier for now, maybe he can come out another time.

I see people who strictly play military chars. having a blast as a Lore Faction, or a private PMC hired personally by a single person(s). Your style of RP is not hindered, you're just forced to be creative if you wish to fit into the world we have made. 

The west is not a priority, the US isn't the rest of the world. I live in the US and I know that there's more to the world than "USA Number One let's stick our nose in everything." And tbh I'm one of the many people who were sick of seeing the same stereotyped US/Western super soldier coming over and RP'ing out being part of NATO/UN/Green Berets/CIA/MI6/Etc without ever consulting us LMs or considering the Lore. Saying things about special OP missions and super secret orders, curing infections, crashing their heli's and planes into hotels and going rainbow six bravo alpha company seek and destroy combat mission solid snake hoorah without any directive from us and all kinds of non-canon things. So we, as a Team, locked that down and presented a new world which the Admins and the Owner of the server approved. 

Why would Russian and Chernarus invite foreign military influence into their lands first off? They are strict, very much so, on what comes in and goes out regarding that. Also, what about the rest of the world? They have their own shit going on. They are handling their own pandemics. Their own issues. They care more about themselves atm, not some Russian country in the middle of BFE. 

So, no. There is no US/Western/Outside Chernarus and Russia based military sent to Chernarus to "aid" peacefully or aggressively. No foreign aid, none of that. Will there be some of that later? Maybe! I dunno! Wait and find out! It's been 5 days! That's not even a week. Give it some time, breathe with me... In and out ... 

Some Idea;
Your past doesn't matter to us tooooo much (depending) as long as your reason for being in the country isn't political, diplomatic, military or aid based as that affects the lore as a whole.

- Chernarus was open for tourism, in which it's quite pretty okay? Nice hills, nice grass. Come visit and stay oh no borders closed
- Honeymoon 2020 Gone Wrong! [WE'RE STRANDED? *Gasp emoji*]
- Oh man maybe you have family out here? Long lost uncle brother cousin who you want to reconnect with
- Maybe your plane stopped here? Boat? For a refuel and is now stuck? Damn
- SCHOOL you could of come here to do schooling, cheap degree. Maybe even teaching? Who knows
- Your job outsourced you? Miroslav'l? Novi--I mean Lopotevgrad 
- You volunteered to do something for school or work or internship before the outbreak and are now stuck
- What about "lmao I was backpacking and got lost? what you mean this isn't Takistan?? oopsies" 
- You're here to hunt the big black mythical bear you heard about in the news and ventured into the black mountains to seek dominance over nature as man

If you have questions just as the Supports, they are amazing and super helpful. 

Another thing; why are people so against playing normal characters? Throughout last Lore I played nothing but idiot civilians and had a blast, impacted a lot of people and those who impacted me were ALSO normal people. You can make a huge impact in RP by just playing a normal char. If you want to explain weapons handling, say you love guns! You're American and traveled to Chernaus to go bear hunting! It's not that hard. You wanna play MilSim? Ask @Ducky or @Duke for a chance to join their military based Lore Factions and see how it goes. Ducky is a megaphone and will make you feel like you're in the army in no time. Hell, you don't even need to join just go goof around in front of him and he'll be sure to let you know all the ways you fucked up. Duke is like the disappointed father when you mess up, you will feel how pathetic you are just by the tone of his voice it cuts deeps.

TLDR; Wait and find out. Things change, bet on it.