Roadblock Rule

[Challenger]

Now that we have stable and working cars (sometimes), I believe the Road Block Rule that was in during the mod days, should be re-introduced. At the moment, person v vehicle initiations can be quiet confusing for both sides.

Majority of people involved don't actually know what's valid and whats not. I could be zooming down the road 135km/h and I get voice/text initiated on.  But I can't do anything because it will take me about 5-10 seconds to come to a full stop, and I'll be flying past the attackers and they'll think you're not complying. For text initiations you actually need to read the message before you react otherwise you're going to get blasted because the attackers think you're not complying (understandable) and normally a text is followed up with a voice, but not always. 

With this rule being re-introduce I believe it would cause less confusion, and both Attackers/Defenders will have guidelines on how to Person v Vehicle initiations. It will also cause less work for staff involved in reports when it comes to people initiating on vehicles.

From what I can remember, the rule contained the following:

1. The road must have something that covers 75% of the road. 

2. You can only initiate without a roadblock at a certain speed or it is offroad (I believe it was around 25-35 MPH)

3. It has to be a text initiation and voice or you are not validly initiating.

4. The road block must be visible and clear

5. You have to give up to 10 seconds before you can shoot (Unless you're 110% the car is avoiding the road block e.g driving right through it and not slowing down)

What are your thoughts on this?

Edited June 3, 2020 by Challenger

[Jerry]

Agree 100%, anyone that might cry about having more rules this one is important imo, I've seen quite a few videos of car initiations that are totally valid within the rules right now but anyone in the car didn't stand much of a chance mostly because of how clunky driving or getting out is, a rule with a few requirements to make the initiation valid would make roadblocks take at least 3-4 people to man if you had to give ample time to stop and potentially comply.

The con is, it does give people in cars some rule armour, but if you're driving down a road full speed and get shouted at, then lit up, it fuckin sucks.

[Duplessis]

I see no reason why not.

+1

[Elmo]

22 minutes ago, Challenger said:

1. The road must have something that covers 75% of the road. 

2. You can only initiate without a roadblock at a certain speed or it is offroad (I believe it was around 25-35 MPH)

3. It has to be a text initiation and voice or you are not validly initiating.

4. The road block must be visible and clear

5. You have to give up to 10 seconds before you can shoot (Unless you're 110% the car is avoiding the road block e.g driving right through it and not slowing down)

I like all of these points except point 2. That would be a nightmare to gauge without video from the PoV of the driver.

[AndreyQ]

Much like Elmo said all good but without the 2 as it's impossible to know the speed of a vehicle.

[BoomBewm]

Please. Some of my worst deaths have been people shouting "STOP THE CAR OR I WILL SHOOT YOU". I am going down the road at 80km/h wtf am I supposed to do.

Provides Bad-RP, and for the most part is just someone who wants a free car.

[Lori]

One of the few reports I've been part of was actually because I got KOSed as a passenger in a vehicle when they gave us less than 5 seconds to stop when we were going 45MPH+. I think there needs to be an understanding of how cars in the game work explained in the rules along with road block rulings.

May I suggest adding four additions?

1. The roadblock needs to be at shoulder height or higher for maximum visibility. It cannot be steel, grey or white- or any color that matches the road. Tents cannot be used to block roads as realistically they would just be crushed by the car.

2. Roadblocks may not be placed on the dips of hills and or mountains. Nor may they be placed directly after a turn where they are not visible from the oncoming direction. This is to prevent people from turning into roadblocks or coming over a peak and slamming into a roadblock.

3. Roadblocks must either be cleared when your group is not online or leaves the area or there must be a gap large enough for a car to drive through at some point in it. This is to prevent people from completely blocking roads when no ones around to interact with.

4. Each group is only allowed one roadblock. This is to prevent groups from spamming roadblocks.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Lori

[Para]

Honestly as long as it's used realistically, I don't care. Road blocks could be made out of a lot of things and are a useful tool for bandits to steal vehicles, or to catch someone you're looking for. The military factions could use them during certain highly tense scenarios. 

But ye get rid of point 2. That's a huge nono. 

Also roadblocks should have to be removed within certain of being unused, because fuck the roads being permanently blocked, some times are already inaccessible.

[Mugin]

I'd say leave at least #2 up to a case by case judgement of staff viewing such reports. Many recommendations here would also suffice for a other solution for such. 

If they start blasting for the free car, RP clearly isn't main their intention for the initiation. If road blocks will force people who continually use/abuse a quick grab and go strategy by making them work as hard as it takes to rebuild a car, works for me. Though atm that 'hardest' part about obtaining a car is A. Finding it, B. Finding gas/water, and C. Keeping it.
So I would say it's fair and balanced, and to make sure road block guidelines require as much works as step B. in obtaining a car. 

Could be interesting developments to either build up or secretly take down well known road blocked areas, as I am sure it'll come to that. 

[CamoRP]

I voted no; to keep the rule page from being cluttered as I think the current rules regarding initiations are fine the way they are; just use common sense.

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4.1 All initiations and hostile actions as well as their demands and conditions must be made clear and unambiguous to all involved players. Hostile actions or initiations must be done personally and on specific targets who must be aware who the attacker is, for example they cannot be done remotely through radio or PA system.

I'd expect players to be using an appropriate method of getting cars to stop so that they can initiate fairly.

If you're screaming/text initiation at a car you see flying back 130km/hr passed you, that's does not fall in line with the rules, as the driver is unaware of what you're doing.

Use my personal example as a guide; it was once brought up in a report by me. 

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First attempt a player claimed to voice/text initiate on me, but I never saw it.

Video #1: 3:44-3:50

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Second attempt: the player and his group made an appropriate roadblock.

Video #2: 1:56-2:10

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Edited June 3, 2020 by Camo

[Truemonkh]

I voted yes because in the old lore when I had a short period on Chernarus we had a run in with S-GRU. We drive off and back to our base and a short while later we get ambushed while driving. They text initiated and used voice, but we were going at least 80km/h (it's the superior system for measuring distance covered over time, don't @ me) and had no chance to stop before they started shooting at us because voice wasn't used immediately and our driver was focusing on the road instead of reading text messages. So yes please make some sort of rule to prevent this.

+1

[Whitename]

Shouldn't this all be covered by the "give people time to comply"? You can only kill a defender if they are not following your orders, which you have to give reasonable time to comply with. 

 

I'm okay with giving back the text initiation vs cars because VoIP is confusing at times but besides that, should already be handled by giving people reasonable time to comply. If they're travelling really fast you have to give them time to stop, else it's breaking the rules

[Guest Generic Name]

5 minutes ago, Whitename said:

Shouldn't this all be covered by the "give people time to comply"? You can only kill a defender if they are not following your orders, which you have to give reasonable time to comply with.

Yes, but when a vehicle is going fast enough, the time it takes to react and slow down can make it seem like non-compliance because it's impossible to full stop break short of ramming into an obstacle.

[Player 1]

I'm fine with this so long as the people build the road block or are using a pre-existing road block, like the random ones in towns, are used and it's not just some car on one lane and people lined up on the sides of the road with guns drawn. I want to see effort into BLOCKING the road and not some half-A** attempt just to steal the car. Or another horrible road block I remember was a semi suddenly doing a quick turn right before a car passes them, endangering the lives of the driver and passenger and damaging the car they wanted to steal. I'm fine with road blocks but I want to see strong, well planned, calculated ones that make sense. The new rules would be fine, except for #2 because there is no way you can determine speed that well. Like you said though, give people time to react. I'm a slow reader so it will take a few seconds to read, listen, make a judgement call, then commit to that action. 

[Jerry]

2 hours ago, Camo said:

I voted no; to keep the rule page from being cluttered as I think the current rules regarding initiations are fine the way they are; just use common sense.

I'd expect players to be using an appropriate method of getting cars to stop so that they can initiate fairly.

If you're screaming/text initiation at a car you see flying back 130km/hr passed you, that's does not fall in line with the rules, as the driver is unaware of what you're doing.

Use my personal example as a guide; it was once brought up in a report by me. 

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First attempt a player claimed to voice/text initiate on me, but I never saw it.

Video #1: 3:44-3:50

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Second attempt: the player and his group made an appropriate roadblock.

Video #2: 1:56-2:10

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Well by voting Yes you'd prevent these types of initiations, back when we had the roadblock rule a fast moving car on the road was invincible pretty much unless you had a guy close enough to drop an initiation, then more people to cover the distance the car would take to slow down or drop another initiation to make sure it was clear, rule armour is the only negative fast moving cars were off limits unless you had a good roadblock setup, but it was different, cars were much faster and agile.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Jerry