Avoiding RP - Severograd, S1 Chernarus.

[Morytania]

Server and location: Severograd, K & R's Mechanic shop, S1 Chernarus.

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): Just before 0900 Server Time. Approx. 0845 - 0855.

Your in game name: Liliana Svobodova.

Names of allies involved: @Millie @burRP @Halven

Name of suspect/s: Unknown.

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): Red BMW (salvaged from a wreck a short ways down the road), Black BMW (Kenny's), Kamaz (Kenny's).

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

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Detailed description of the events: This might be a bit complicated but I'll try to outline things as I saw them since it all kind of seems to play into the incident I'm reporting about.

So to start things off, I spent most of the day roleplaying with @Millie and @burRP as well as quite a few of our friends.

Earlier in the day there was a situation where a red BMW - known to us as being owned by three or four people that often come to trade - drove by the shop quite fast and crashed up the road by a green two-story house. We noticed the crash and, along with @FalkRP @Eagles and @Dongle went to see if people were there at the crashed car. We saw that there were three corpses inside the car, and two outside the car that were obviously killed by it in some kind of freak accident. We decide to RP cutting the seat belts of the car to get the bodies out and salvage what we can of the car and their gear in hopes of having more material to trade with, or potentially to give/trade back to the people should they have made it out alive and needed some gear back at a later time. It ended up that the red BMW was pristine, and we took it - because dead people don't need a car.

As we're looting however, one of the people that died ran straight back to his body and said OOC on voice "we're calling an admin" as if to tattle on us for looting their free gear. Millie will have evidence of that scene as I wasn't right there when it happened. But either way I can only assume it was taken care of by one of our lovely GMs after the fact, since it was a blatant NLR rulebreak.

Afterwards, someone came up to us and said he "heard that his friends died in a car crash" and we took their belongings and their car. We questioned how he knew that his friends had died to which he didn't seem to be able to come up with a plausible answer. I'm pretty sure this person was the same one who later avoided roleplay with us, as the outfit they were wearing was almost identical.

The incident in question:

As we're wrapping up some RP with an old friend of mine, a person walks past that we try to talk to, as shown in the video evidence. I jokingly say to myself "who the fuck is this now?" The person blatantly ignores our attempts at roleplaying with him, and I can only imagine it's because he was salty about the earlier incidents in the day involving us looting his friends' bodies, or not giving the car back, or something along that line. @Millie and @burRP try again and attempt to roleplay with the man after he went straight to the green two-story house and CONTINUED to avoid their attempts at RP, completely ignoring them and being silent. He looked at us as he passed by the first time, showing that he knew we were there. I had asked in chat if it was considered avoiding RP because as we all know, DayZ is a finished game, and sometimes we can't hear one another. I was attempting to find out if they had potentially heard him say anything at all and I simply hadn't. If his microphone was malfunctioning he could have also said so OOCly, or told us he was too tired to talk and needed to sleep ICly. Any response at all would have been welcomed by all of us involved, instead of blatantly avoiding our roleplay attempts.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Morytania

[Halven]

POV:
Was talking to the three in Severograd when a guy came running by with his gun out. They all tried talking to him and he ignored everything they said and kept running, so a couple of them went running after him. I left shortly after.

[Eddie]

Connection logs:

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08:03:27 | Player "Liliana Svobodova" is connected
08:57:21 | Player "Liliana Svobodova" has been disconnected

08:03:09 | Player "Millicent Cibulkova" is connected
09:19:26 | Player "Millicent Cibulkova" has been disconnected

08:02:19 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
09:58:40 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected

08:01:28 | Player "Marko Karyinik" is connected
08:55:34 | Player "Marko Karyinik" has been disconnected

08:49:25 | Player "Max Smit" is connected
09:49:58 | Player "Max Smit" has been disconnected

Position logs:

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08:51:18 | Player "Liliana Svobodova" (pos=<8102.1, 12810.8, 114.4>) 

08:51:18 | Player "Millicent Cibulkova" (pos=<8102.1, 12808.5, 114.3>) 

08:51:18 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" (pos=<8100.1, 12808.8, 114.4>) 

08:51:18 | Player "Marko Karyinik" (pos=<8100.8, 12810.3, 114.4>) 

08:51:18 | Player "Max Smit" (pos=<8217.2, 12863.5, 115.0>) 

Chat Logs:

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08:51:18 | Chat("Liliana Svobodova"): //was that avoiding RP?? o.o

08:51:22 | Chat("Millicent Cibulkova"): //yes

Calling in the following people for their point of view as well as any un-edited video evidence they may have:

@Morytania | Liliana Svobodova | OP

@Millie | Millicent Cibulkova | POSTED

@burRP | Kenny Kowalski | POSTED

@Halven | Marko Karyinik | POSTED

@Max Smit | Max Smit | POSTED

[bur]

POV

Walked out from our shop and spoke with morytania and millie and this new guy ive never met.
Some guy called maxim who i had spoke to quite a few times for the past few days shows up, walks straight past us.
Me and millie walk over to the house he is sleeping in and call out to him again, we get no answer from= him even tho i know hes in there.
I walk away with millie after being ignored x2 and go fix some cars

 

[Millie]

As @Morytania mentioned, during an interaction with our neighbor that took place last night, he returned to his body after crashing a car. He said, in VOIP, that he'd been killed and my friend had been looting his body. He then began repeatedly stating that he was getting an admin as I picked up some of the things left in the road. I mentioned in side-chat that he should not be talking OOC in VOIP and that he was violating NLR, but he didn't seem to notice or didn't know what I was talking about. I then began recording the following. I record with OBS and a hotkey to start and stop it, so please forgive the length. You'll note in the video that he mentions summoning an admin and asks in side-chat about my friends looting his body.
 

The next interaction came maybe an hour or two later (complete guess), when his friend showed up and started asking about his two "dead" friends and their gear. He then backtracked a bit and said they were only *mostly* dead. I asked how he'd heard about their injuries and he didn't seem to have an answer, running off instead.

Then today, I have no idea what time (I have been awake forever), he ran by myself, @burRP, @Morytania and I don't entirely recall who else if anyone. We said hello, he said nothing and continued to run along. We then went over to his house to ask if he was okay, to which we received no reply. When we returned to the shop we could see him peaking out from behind his house. He said literally nothing either of these times. Not even so much as a "go away" or "leave me alone." I will say that he's spoken to me a bit after the fact, assuming it was the same person, but at the time he acted as though he hadn't heard us at all.

Frankly I don't know who any of these players or their characters are. I know the guy who lives down the road is either Max or John, but that's about it. I believe the people in the crash were some people we've done a little trading with, but I don't know how or if they're connected to the guy down the street. The NLR and OOC over VOIP were pretty glaring, though, as was the avoidance of RP. I'm just not sure who did what.

[Eddie]

@Max Smit  will be temporarily banned due to being on the forums since being called in and not responding, as well as going in game. Once you provide your POV the temporary ban will be lifted.

[Max Smit]

I have no real knowlegde of what happend because i wasn't there. According to my friends the red car hit a tree, then 'bounced' off and killed them. Since they were killed in a glitch and there was no rp whatsoever leading to their death they returned to the bodies only to find their bodys looted and our base raided, as shown in the video above.

[Rover]

7 minutes ago, Max Smit said:

I have no real knowlegde of what happend because i wasn't there. According to my friends the red car hit a tree, then 'bounced' off and killed them. Since they were killed in a glitch and there was no rp whatsoever leading to their death they returned to the bodies only to find their bodys looted and our base raided, as shown in the video above.

The position logs show that you were present. Please explain what you mean by you 'weren't there'.

 

[Max Smit]

I have no real knowlegde of what happend because i wasn't there. According to my friends the red car hit a tree, then 'bounced' off and killed them. Since they were killed in a glitch and there was no rp whatsoever leading to their death they returned to the bodies only to find their bodys looted and our base raided, as shown in the video above.

I only showed up after the incedent, stuff was already gone, and people already left. I picked up the pieces and started rebuilding

[Rover]

Just now, Max Smit said:

I have no real knowlegde of what happend because i wasn't there. According to my friends the red car hit a tree, then 'bounced' off and killed them. Since they were killed in a glitch and there was no rp whatsoever leading to their death they returned to the bodies only to find their bodys looted and our base raided, as shown in the video above.

I only showed up after the incedent, stuff was already gone, and people already left. I picked up the pieces and started rebuilding

You logged in between 1-2 minutes before the OP typed the below.:

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08:51:18 | Chat("Liliana Svobodova"): //was that avoiding RP?? o.o

Your first position log at 8:51:58 puts you in the house just down the street from them, exactly where the person in the video just went to.

Are you sure this isn't you in the video that runs by them?

 

[Max Smit]

No, because i was never killed. Note that there are 2 players in our group called Max. I was offline at the time they were killed, and it took me about 30 mins to get in the server bc of the queu

to make sure, what time zone is the time stamp? 

[Rover]

3 minutes ago, Max Smit said:

No, because i was never killed. Note that there are 2 players in our group called Max. I was offline at the time they were killed, and it took me about 30 mins to get in the server bc of the queu

to make sure, what time zone is the time stamp? 

Your personal steam account is tied to the position logs I am looking at.

I am not asking you about when they died. I am asking you about this video.: 

 

The figure that runs by them on the road around 25 seconds in. Is that you, yes or no.

[Max Smit]

Oh ok. yes, that was me. When i passed by i was in a hurry, if that is counted as avoiding rp, I apologise. 

I went into the house to check on things en then alt-tabbed out of the game to talk to my friends on Discord about being killed by a glitch. Unfortunately, it does cut out the game sounds, but at the time i was not expecting Rp from them by coming over to the house.

[Rover]

Just now, Max Smit said:

Oh ok. yes, that was me. When i passed by i was in a hurry, if that is counted as avoiding rp, I apologise. 

I went into the house to check on things en then alt-tabbed out of the game to talk to my friends on Discord about being killed by a glitch. Unfortunately, it does cut out the game sounds, but at the time i was not expecting Rp from them by coming over to the house.

Thank you for your POV, your temp ban will be removed now. Please be sure to keep an eye on this report in case we have any further questions for you.

[Eddie]

Calling in the following person @Echomikedelt to post a full and detailed POV of the incident that took place in the logs below:

Connection log:

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01:13:10 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" is connected
02:25:01 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" has been disconnected
02:35:13 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" is connected
02:35:52 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" has been disconnected
02:53:07 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" is connected
12:54:22 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" is connected
14:25:37 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" has been disconnected

Death log:

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02:33:22 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" (DEAD) (pos=<8221.2, 12864.5, 115.0>) killed by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34_Red

Position log:

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02:55:01 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" (pos=<8219.9, 12863.2, 115.1>) 
03:00:01 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" (pos=<8220.1, 12806.3, 111.4>) 
03:05:01 | Player "Maxim Zakarov" (pos=<8219.4, 12806.9, 111.5>) 

Chat log:

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02:53:56 | Chat("Maxim Zakarov"): //what is NLR?
02:54:19 | Chat("Maxim Zakarov"): //for how long?
02:56:50 | Chat("Maxim Zakarov"): //who was your friend that ran off with all my stuff?

Please explain what lead up to this situation and why you spoke OOC in character voice.

[Morytania]

5 hours ago, Max Smit said:

only to find their bodys looted and our base raided

It wasn't us that raided your base, as far as I am aware.

5 hours ago, Max Smit said:

When i passed by i was in a hurry

Then why didn't you simply state, "sorry I'm in a hurry, can't stay and chat"? You obviously saw us there trying to RP with you as you passed by. Ignoring people isn't cool on a roleplay server since it's required of you to actually roleplay. Why would you be in such a "hurry" to go into your house and AFK, anyway? And not sprint there? 1 - 2 minutes after logging in, as well, I might add.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Morytania

[Max Smit]

I still had and still have a lot of stuff on me. Couldnt sprint even if i wanted too. 

Again, ill apoligise for ignoring you guys.

[Morytania]

46 minutes ago, Max Smit said:

I still had and still have a lot of stuff on me. Couldnt sprint even if i wanted too. 

Again, ill apoligise for ignoring you guys.

You basically ignored my entire point. If you were in a hurry to go alt-tab in your house, why didn't you just say so?

[Echomikedelt]

My buddy John and I were standing by our house when a red BMW went zooming by, it hit a tree around 20-30 meters from us, shot all the way back, killed me and john, then went back to the tree.  Obvious lag/glitch in the game.  Being new, I came back to my body to be told I was breaking NLR.  So I contacted and admin and told them what I had done and explained the situation.  I was banned two nights ago.

[Eddie]

Verdict:

@Max Smit | Max Smit | [BadRP] - Not Guilty

@Echomikedelt | Maxim Zakarov | [BadRP] - Guilty

Explanation:

Regarding the BadRP in the first incident:

To explain briefly, @Morytania, @Millie, @burRP and @Halven were in Severograd talking among themselves, after a brief period @Max Smit comes strolling by and the OP and friends speak to the accused and he just keeps jogging along without acknowledging anyone that said hello. The accused then goes into his house and proceeds to tab out to his desktop without any knowledge that he was being spoke to IG. Millie and burRP decided to then leave the area of the accused house as they received no response and carried on about their day. 

After discussing this report we have come to the conclusion that the incident that occurred was not Avoiding RP, reason being is that there was a single attempt to RP with the accused and he chose to not speak to the individuals mentioned above. If there were multiple attempts to roleplay with the accused and he straight up just refused to speak or he ran off to avoid the roleplay being provided and you led chase for a prolonged period of time then yes, that would then be considered BadRP for Avoiding RP. The accused is a passerby and has the option to refuse to say hello, remember not everyone will stop and say hello when they pass by. You cannot make someone stop and say hello if they don't feel comfortable stopping, not everyone is trusting enough of people at this point of the lore, as they would be leery of people they may not know.

Regarding the BadRP in the second incident:

So @Echomikedelt was killed in an indecent that occurred earlier where he was killed by a vehicle and went back to his last place of his death. This is where @Millie confronts the accused and lets him know in OOC chat that he's breaching the NLR rule. The OOC chat continues as the accused then realizes that he indeed broke the NLR rule after confirming this with Millie. The accused then breaks character by going OOC in IC voice by saying that he contacted an Admin regarding the incident.

@Echomikedelt you are to never break character by going OOC in voice regardless of the situation as this breaks the immersion of other players involved in the RP taking place. As far as the NLR breach you have already received a warning regarding this incident and I hope in the future that this doesn't happen again. You are not allowed to go back near the location of where you died, that means 1,000 meters or 1 kilometre from that location under any circumstance, glitches or bugs are no exception as this can break other players immersion if they just seen you die then return within that hour.

Outcome:

@Max Smit | Max Smit | [BadRP] - No action taken

@Echomikedelt | Maxim Zakarov | [BadRP] - 5 day ban, 10 warning points and a character reset

Signed by @Eddie @Para @Peril