Livonia?

[Gaard]

Just wanted to make a quick post to ask about the status of Livonia. 

From what I could see almost every single character that I've viewed is region locked to Chernarus as well as the fact that season 1 has very little involving Livonia. 

I honestly chose to make my character region locked to Livonia because it seems as if the lore for Cheranus was already built for hostilities, that's just my personal preference and I might even make a separate character so I can dabble in some of that RP. I enjoy the idea of well set-up lore!

And about the Livonia lore 
I quite enjoy the lore that Livonia has and also enjoy the fact that season 1 doesn't really involve Livonia. My reasoning for enjoying the fact that season one is Bare Bones in it's because I believe players will have more opportunities to make their own decisions and not have their opinions based on the policies and politics of groups that are already in play on Chernaus. 
That's just my opinion and I understand that the majority of people are going to go where the conflict is but i'm frankly surprised that I see, or i should say, that i DONT see many people coming to Livonia. 

I'm also hoping that the lack of control and restrictions in Livonia will attract more hardcore RPers because you will have to make your own story and not base yours on the one that you read on the forums.

I just want to restate that I enjoyed reading all the new lore and I'm very happy for this wipe and the exciting RP to come! So I mean no ill will towards the Developers and loremasters when i ask if all attention is directed towards to Chernaus at the moment. Has the map in Livonia been edited the same amount Chernaus has? 
I understand that The answer is probably going to be "this is only season 1 and Livonia will grow more soon" I just wanted to know what has been done and to what extent will The Lore change during a season.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Gaard

[Brayces]

Livonia is def not a popular map atm, and I cannot see it living too long. We did what we could but based on feedback we got and we felt that the map it's self won't be played as frequently and there wasn't sense to spend a ton of time fleshing out a new map for a a small player base of a handful of people. The good thing is Livonia is the polar opposite to Chernarus. So if people WANT to play NATO/UN they can and are welcomed in Livonia as it's part of UN and NATO soldiers would be present there. Another good thing is Livonia's Lore is pretty much already in place. They handled the infection better, had outside western help and are relatively better off than Chernarus is at the start. Not to say they'll remain that way forever of course... >:) 

As time moves forward and if popularity for Livonia picks up we will of course dedicate more resources, info and time to it. There's a Lore Faction for Livonia called the LDF (Livonia Defense Forces) which are present and active in the region. Since we didn't have a huge volunteer roster for this Lore Faction we made it Staff Only and Event Based Only but that is subject to change. 

[Duplessis]

I've chosen Chernarus not simply because I am a member of a lore faction, but also because it is simply a better map.

[Gaard]

1 hour ago, Brayces said:

Livonia is def not a popular map atm, and I cannot see it living too long. We did what we could but based on feedback we got and we felt that the map it's self won't be played as frequently and there wasn't sense to spend a ton of time fleshing out a new map for a a small player base of a handful of people. The good thing is Livonia is the polar opposite to Chernarus. So if people WANT to play NATO/UN they can and are welcomed in Livonia as it's part of UN and NATO soldiers would be present there. Another good thing is Livonia's Lore is pretty much already in place. They handled the infection better, had outside western help and are relatively better off than Chernarus is at the start. Not to say they'll remain that way forever of course... >:) 

As time moves forward and if popularity for Livonia picks up we will of course dedicate more resources, info and time to it. There's a Lore Faction for Livonia called the LDF (Livonia Defense Forces) which are present and active in the region. Since we didn't have a huge volunteer roster for this Lore Faction we made it Staff Only and Event Based Only but that is subject to change. 

Given how many people are making new characters and how much activity there is at the moment I believe the problem isn't if the server is going to survive, the problem is going to be there will be too many people playing on Chernaus. 
Because of the large influx of people trying to play on Chernaus there will be a long queue, because of said long queue and people wanting to RP, said people will create a character and play on Livonia. And yes that will definitely solve my issue but that's only short-term. When the people who want to go to Chernaus and end up playing on Livonia because of the queue realize that very little attention is given to them compared to the people who play on Chernaus I fear that they will get bored and lose interest. That is all I'm worried about. I love the server and I love the work that is being done to keep people interested. I'm putting out my opinion because I have a chance to do so and I don't want to regret it. I hope you don't take what I say as insulting or demeaning I just want the best for the server, players, and Developers.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Gaard

[Combine]

I recently read about changed policies with "Deer Island" (Jeleni Ostrov, which is situated EAST of South Zagoria in our universe or setting - at least last lore) and monetization options.

I didn't dig into too much but I was actually wondering if it would be feasible to expand Chernarus by having Deer Island again if possible. It would enrich the "Chernarussian theatre of war", the map was expanded since last time we played it so it should be better, and it would realistically give the militia guys in our lore more of a turf or additional contestable area.

 

@Brayces  (and others) What would you think about incorporating Deer Island lore wise (again) if we could use the map without big hassle? If people generally like Chernarus more, it would also allow them to use Chernarussian chars over there in the same 'general area'.

At the same time the question is if we want to throw Livonia in the bin or have it run on a third server. I wouldn't totally write it off because the situation of it allows different lore factions and character and group concepts - both more Western ones, and Russian ones.

But three servers at the same time might be a pop strain and split up folks too much unless we'd actually have enough continuously for all, which I doubt.

 

I suggest to at least consider Deer Island or so if Livonia won't be as interesting in the mid-run for people and if a general decision is made to shut it off. Then Deer Island or a fitting comparable map we can use would be a fitting replacer.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Combine

[Gaard]

4 minutes ago, Combine said:

I recently read about changed policies with "Deer Island" (Jeleni Ostrov, which is situated EAST of South Zagoria in our universe or setting - at least last lore) and monetization options.

I didn't dig into too much but I was actually wondering if it would be feasible to expand Chernarus by having Deer Island again if possible. It would enrich the "Chernarussian theatre of war", the map was expanded since last time we played it so it should be better, and it would realistically give the militia guys in our lore more of a turf or additional contestable area.

 

@Brayces  (and others) What would you think about incorporating Deer Island lore wise (again) if we could use the map without big hassle? If people generally like Chernarus more, it would also allow them to use Chernarussian chars over there in the same 'general area'.

At the same time the question is if we want to throw Livonia in the bin or have it run on a third server. I wouldn't totally write it off because the situation of it allows different lore factions and character and group concepts - both more Western ones, and Russian ones.

But three servers at the same time might be a pop strain and split up folks too much unless we'd actually have enough continuously for all, which I doubt.

 

I suggest to at least consider Deer Island or so if Livonia won't be as interesting in the mid-run for people and if a general decision is made to shut it off. Then Deer Island or a fitting comparable map we can use would be a fitting replacer.

Bruh this post is about Livonia's lore and has nothing to do with deer isle... so i must ask.. why here

[Combine]

1 minute ago, Gaard said:

Bruh this post is about Livonia's lore and has nothing to do with deer isle... so i must ask.. why here

Because:

 

1 hour ago, Brayces said:

Livonia is def not a popular map atm, and I cannot see it living too long. We did what we could but based on feedback we got and we felt that the map it's self won't be played as frequently and there wasn't sense to spend a ton of time fleshing out a new map for a a small player base of a handful of people.

 

If we can't have Livonia in the long run, best to have any alternative. That's my reasoning anyway. Of course I don't want to stand in anyone's way in holding the Livonian (map) flag up high.

 

[Gaard]

Just now, Combine said:

Because:

 

 

If we can't have Livonia in the long run, best to have any alternative. That's my reasoning anyway. Of course I don't want to stand in anyone's way in holding the Livonian (map) flag up high.

 

Understandable

[Truemonkh]

I can definitely see your worries mate. I don't know how exactly it will turn out but due to the way Livonia is built it is rather unfitting for my personal future plans. I play on Chernarus because of the lore faction I'm in but I do really enjoy Livonia as well and might make a secondary character for Livonia. For now I'd say we watch how things develop.

6 minutes ago, Combine said:

I didn't dig into too much but I was actually wondering if it would be feasible to expand Chernarus by having Deer Island again if possible. It would enrich the "Chernarussian theatre of war", the map was expanded since last time we played it so it should be better, and it would realistically give the militia guys in our lore more of a turf or additional contestable area.

I find it interesting that every time Livonia becomes a topic someone comes along swooning about Deer Isle. Honestly I don't know the map so I will refrain from judging whether it's capable of giving a better experience than Livonia. But at this point I really wanna see this famed "Deer Isle" cause people keep talking about it. 

I totally understand the LM's views on Livonia, since the map is so unpopular it would be a waste of resources to spend hours and hours crafting something that not a lot of people will really care for. I know I'm not the only one in this community that has a big heart for Livonia, but the majority prefers Chernarus and I believe that is the way it will stay.

[Brayces]

Got a lot of messages to go through but;

No we don't plan to kill of Livonia, but based on trends I do not see it being played as much and thus no reason to keep it up as a Server. But then again, this is not my call but Rolands. He is the one who decides which servers live or die.

Second; we have no say in putting up Deer Isle as much as we enjoyed it. It's not our choice, but if it comes down to it and it becomes a server then yes we will make lore for it. I think it already has some established lore so we will fold it into the overarching world lore as well. 

[Gaard]

1 minute ago, Truemonkh said:

I can definitely see your worries mate. I don't know how exactly it will turn out but due to the way Livonia is built it is rather unfitting for my personal future plans. I play on Chernarus because of the lore faction I'm in but I do really enjoy Livonia as well and might make a secondary character for Livonia. For now I'd say we watch how things develop.

I find it interesting that every time Livonia becomes a topic someone comes along swooning about Deer Isle. Honestly I don't know the map so I will refrain from judging whether it's capable of giving a better experience than Livonia. But at this point I really wanna see this famed "Deer Isle" cause people keep talking about it. 

I totally understand the LM's views on Livonia, since the map is so unpopular it would be a waste of resources to spend hours and hours crafting something that not a lot of people will really care for. I know I'm not the only one in this community that has a big heart for Livonia, but the majority prefers Chernarus and I believe that is the way it will stay.

I totally agree. It's the same way with my character I feel as if it's just more built to be in Livonia. 

And the Deer Isle thing is so odd lol i should also go see what its all about

[Gaard]

3 minutes ago, Brayces said:

Got a lot of messages to go through but;

No we don't plan to kill of Livonia, but based on trends I do not see it being played as much and thus no reason to keep it up as a Server. But then again, this is not my call but Rolands. He is the one who decides which servers live or die.

Second; we have no say in putting up Deer Isle as much as we enjoyed it. It's not our choice, but if it comes down to it and it becomes a server then yes we will make lore for it. I think it already has some established lore so we will fold it into the overarching world lore as well. 

If you don't have an option to either make another map or implement one that's pre-made. Then I don't see why you would cease development on a map that's already been proven to be played on. There will be a metric ton of people playing on Livonia. And if I'm wrong about that please feel free to call me out a month from now and I will get on my knees and apologize I swear. I do understand the fact that Livonia isn't as popular as Chernaus but people have no other place to go then Livonia Chernaus is full! 
I honestly hate to sound like one of those conspiracy theorists in Times Square babbling about the world's end but I feel that it's all I can do.

[Brayces]

6 minutes ago, Gaard said:

If you don't have an option to either make another map or implement one that's pre-made. Then I don't see why you would cease development on a map that's already been proven to be played on. There will be a metric ton of people playing on Livonia. And if I'm wrong about that please feel free to call me out a month from now and I will get on my knees and apologize I swear. I do understand the fact that Livonia isn't as popular as Chernaus but people have no other place to go then Livonia Chernaus is full! 
I honestly hate to sound like one of those conspiracy theorists in Times Square babbling about the world's end but I feel that it's all I can do.

We're not stopping development at all, o_O. Just that Livonia doesn't have as much attention on it as Chernarus. If it gets more popular we will love upon it as much as we do with Chernarus. 

[Player 1]

I chose Chernarus because i got my fill of Livonia. Its a great map but its time to try my hand at this great lore that Chernarus has. Livonia will make a come back. Just give it time...

Edited June 1, 2020 by America

[Snuggly Boi]

I honestly just prefer Livonia, in terms of aesthetics. There probably won't be a lot of RP going on there, but for me that makes it all the more great to finally have an RP encounter. it adds to the immersion, it doesn't feel like there's so many people (which, in my opnion, it shouldn't.). For me it's just a matter of feeling more immersed. ^^

[Mitch06102]

Personally I totally agree with you @Gaard it is definitely  a worry for many of us heart felt fans of Livonia to see the deceleration of the popularity of the map. 

However, I am not impressed with the lore masters decisions to not put as much time and effort into the Lore of Livonia. Yes, well done for the massive development and effort that has been put into the Chernarus lore, it is fantastic to see that you guys are putting in a lot of time and effort into it.

But why leave Livonia in the dark?  This is how we kill Livonia, not revive it.  Before the lore wipe, the population of Livonia was already scarily low, and I think that if any of the lore masters or staff members would've liked an increase in Livonia's population. You all would've put some time and effort into the Livonia lore.

Now, I am not saying you should just put "AS MUCH" time and effort into Livonia as you guys have in Chernarus, however, what I am saying is.

This is how you kill Livonia, you don't develop the Lore as much as Chernarus, you don't dedicate as many lore masters and staff to Livonia, you make faction type groups that already have fully established systems in place IN Chernarus, but NOT in Livonia.... 

From my point of view, the lore masters and staff have already made the decision to plough Livonia into the ground and kill it off. Thus killing of the possible many players who would join because they are dedicated to Livonia and Livonia type RP, which would therefore decrease the player base of the entire DayzRP community, which is not what ANY of us want.

I pray that this will not happen, and players of Livonia will strive to make it the best roleplay experience we all can possibly have. I give players of Chernarus their luck, and I hope to see the development of both maps expand as graciously as they both can.

[Gaard]

Just now, Brayces said:

We're not stopping development at all, o_O. Just that Livonia doesn't have as much attention on it as Chernarus. If it gets more popular we will love upon it as much as we do with Chernarus. 

i understand what you are saying but i think that you not giving Livonia the same treatment means that less people will be even want to play on it. i mean look at the space difference between Cheranus and Livonia. it all ready looks dead!

[AndreyQ]

I think Livonia needs to go away. Chernarus should be the main priority with a possible Deer Isle addition down the line. No point in working on a lore for a dead map.

[Jackfish]

Just now, Gaard said:

i understand what you are saying but i think that you not giving Livonia the same treatment means that less people will be even want to play on it. i mean look at the space difference between Cheranus and Livonia. it all ready looks dead!

which is good, Livonia sucks.

Just let Livonia die.

[Gaard]

4 minutes ago, America said:

I chose Chernarus because i got my fill of Livonia. Its a great map but its time to try my hand at this great lore that Chernarus has. Livonia will make a come back. Just give it time...

i agree, playing both maps is almost essential!

Just now, AndreyQ said:

I think Livonia needs to go away. Chernarus should be the main priority with a possible Deer Isle addition down the line. No point in working on a lore for a dead map.

If it goes away what about the many people who cant get in because of the 30 person 40 to 50 min queue times! these people will wanna play and you cant have 2 Chernos so you need 2 maps doesn't matter what map it but needs to have the same attention at the other or no one wil want to play

[Mitch06102]

20 minutes ago, Jackfish said:

which is good, Livonia sucks.

Just let Livonia die.

I couldn't agree with you there. The DayZRP community is supposed to accomodate all types of players, and you saying "Just let Livonia die" is basically saying, we dont want livonia players here, only Chernarus, leave..

We are a community and should be helping out others, yes you are entitled to your own opinion, but please dont exclude players and get rid of what quiet a few people want just because you think "Livonia sucks".

Edited June 1, 2020 by Mitch06102

[AndreyQ]

4 minutes ago, Gaard said:

If it goes away what about the many people who cant get in because of the 30 person 40 to 50 min queue times! these people will wanna play and you cant have 2 Chernos so you need 2 maps doesn't matter what map it but needs to have the same attention at the other or no one wil want to play

Have 2 Chernarus servers, like we had before Livonia was a thing.

[Gaard]

5 minutes ago, Mitch06102 said:

Personally I totally agree with you @Gaard it is definitely  a worry for many of us heart felt fans of Livonia to see the deceleration of the popularity of the map. 

However, I am not impressed with the lore masters decisions to not put as much time and effort into the Lore of Livonia. Yes, well done for the massive development and effort that has been put into the Chernarus lore, it is fantastic to see that you guys are putting in a lot of time and effort into it.

But why leave Livonia in the dark?  This is how we kill Livonia, not revive it.  Before the lore wipe, the population of Livonia was already scarily low, and I think that if any of the lore masters or staff members would've liked an increase in Livonia's population. You all would've put some time and effort into the Livonia lore.

Now, I am not saying you should just put "AS MUCH" time and effort into Livonia as you guys have in Chernarus, however, what I am saying is.

This is how you kill Livonia, you don't develop the Lore as

much as Chernarus, you don't dedicate as many lore masters and staff to Livonia, you make faction type groups that already have fully established systems in place IN Chernarus, but NOT in Livonia.... 

From my point of view, the lore masters and staff have already made the decision to plough Livonia into the ground and kill it off. Thus killing of the possible many players who would join because they are dedicated to Livonia and Livonia type RP, which would therefore decrease the player base of the entire DayzRP community, which is not what ANY of us want.

I pray that this will not happen, and players of Livonia will strive to make it the best roleplay experience we all can possibly have. I give players of Chernarus their luck, and I hope to see the development of both maps expand as graciously as they both can.

6 minutes ago, Mitch06102 said:

This is how you kill Livonia, you don't develop the Lore as much as Chernarus, you don't dedicate as many lore masters and staff to Livonia, you make faction type groups that already have fully established systems in place IN Chernarus, but NOT in Livonia....

100% man it just takes away from the possible people who could be playing on this map!

Just now, AndreyQ said:

Have 2 Chernarus servers, like we had before Livonia was a thing.

it would stretch the Lore Groups way to thin. then how can you explain one group failing on one server and one winning on the other. will you have 2 sets of lore for each server?

[Jackfish]

3 minutes ago, Gaard said:

100% man it just takes away from the possible people who could be playing on this map!

it would stretch the Lore Groups way to thin. then how can you explain one group failing on one server and one winning on the other. will you have 2 sets of lore for each server?

No offense but you have been here since 2019. Everything worked fine before Livonia.

Pls.

[Gaard]

Just now, Jackfish said:

No offense but you have been here since 2019. Everything worked fine before Livonia.

Pls.

Ok sorry man i guess because you have spent more time here than me you know everything and things were waaaaay better before. Honesty sorry man but idgaf and will dismiss your opinions instantly when you claim to be king of all facts.. just because you like something doesn't mean everyone will. and said people will get curious when internist has stopped on something they enjoy.
The game has grown and so is the community, you can choose to grow with it or you can sit reminiscing about the past, your choice.