S1- RDM/KOS - NW Airfield - 5/22/2020 23:14ish

[Geek]

Server and location: Server 1, NW Airfield

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 5/22/2020 23:14 ish 

Your in game name: Adrik Vlenovid

Names of allies involved: @canadian_boi @Aldebaran

Name of suspect/s:  @burRP @TurkRP

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): A truck, (That was stolen) and a BMW (That we used to chase truck) There was a blue BMW driving around but i dont think it got involved

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): None hoping some of the others may have footage of the event. (Will start recording now though)

Detailed description of the events: 

So! I wake up after taking a quick nap at zelenagorsk  and see a truck pass me heading for the zelenagorsk gas station, (A truck gotten from the event) I yell at them to wait. They stop. I get in and we play some music on our way to NW and arrive driving to the ATC Tower. From there everyone gets out and heads into the tower. We find some people taking a hostage but brush it off because there is an event going on. But then we see our truck dusting off into the distance. I rush down to a grey BMW and steal it to find the truck. I Find it abandoned at the air field by the arma 3 baracks.

I Ask a guy to drive it back to the tower with me. When he goes to get in it there is already someone in it. I ask if the man in the driver seat stole it and he says no and that he will drive it behind me back to the tower. Well he doesnt and takes a left and i loose him again. I Grab 3 other people and we go out looking for the truck again. We find it and have some laughs while chasing it around in circles. The driver lags out of the server and we all get out of the silver bmw. I then Initiate on the passenger and the driver loads back in and i initiate on him as well. The man that was with us in the silver bmw with a pink armband then initiates on me without even giving me 3 seconds to comply he mows me down. Then turning towards the other two people that were in the silver bmw who now had hopped in the truck mowing them down while they were stuck sitting and couldnt comply. I seen this as my screen faded to {You are dead} 

I believe that this kill was plain RDM as he did not even give me time to react before shooting me. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by IntenseGeek

[Aldebaran]

(Posting my POV because I was working on a report myself and it would just get merged)

While at Green Mountain for the server event, a large truck spawned that canadian_boi wrangled several people into. We then drove to Zelenogorsk before turning around and heading up to NWAF due to the event moving. While at NWAF, someone stole the truck and we figured it wasn't worth chasing since there was an event. After we believe the event is over IntenseGeek drives up to myself and Canadian in a white BMW, which was owned by burRP. He tells us to get in and that we're going after the truck, and after several laps around the airfield the truck stops. When we get out, IntenseGeek pulls out his rifle and initiates, ordering the two people in the truck to get out, which they do. canadian_boi then gets in the driver seat and I get in the back of the truck, while IntenseGeek continues the hostage RP. burRP, who had accompanied us since it was his car, then pulls out his gun and initiates on IntenseGeek, shooting him dead afterwards. As canadian_boi and I are in the truck, relatively clueless as to what is going on, someone says "Hands up or die" while we are in the truck. Someone else (I think) tells us to exit the truck. I am unsure what the demands were exactly because there was a fair bit of yelling and shooting. burRP even admitted that he did not kill us because we were complying in the truck. After a few seconds, canadian_boi is executed in the front of the truck, and I am then executed in the back. This is despite being in a turned off truck, and clearly not being a threat since we are seated and can not have our weapons out. At the very end, I did get out of my seat since canadian_boi had just been shot, but I was bugging out in the back of the truck.

[Jackfish]

Will post POV tomorrow.

[Canadian]

(Gonna post mine aswell)

*Starting from the point of hopping out of the BMW*

Geek initiated and the driver and passenger hopped out of the truck. I hop in the drivers seat and attempt to start the vehicle, but it appears to have glitched so it will not start. Pink armband turns on us and proceeds to yell hands up or die. I try to get out but I get mowed down by his friend (TurkRP ?). In a later call with gamemaster Job, BurkRP says that his friend killed me and that he had no reason to because I was not a threat.

[Challenger]

I was roaming the Airfield doing Shmopov things, killing zeds and taking cans of food from them. I am then picked up by my friend William, and we drive up and down the airfield. My friend William crashes and we come to a stop. We are met by three angry men, pointing weapons at me, and then they initiate on me and William, I comply. Then an unknown man comes flying in with his BMW like Dominic Toretto. He jumps out the car and initiates on the men that who take me hostage and then kills one. I sieze the opportunity and whip out my pocket AK and kill the remaining two men, that were involved with taking me hostage. 

TL:DR Myself and @Jackfish are initiated on by three men, then a man (We were not affiliated with this man, nor on radio comms with him, he was a random) arrives initiates on one of the men and kills him. I pull out my AK and kill the remaining two hostage takers who decided to sit in the car.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Challenger

[rp]

I was not present for this situation, I do not know why i got reported for it.

 

Did not shoot or kill anyone at any point. 

[bur]

Will post POV tomorrow morning. Its 2am and im shattered after a day of killing infected

edit// il just do it now

 

SO The event had finished, i walk outside and wonder where MY silver BMW had gone. It had vanished or been stolen, two seconds later, a man in black pulls up with 2 people or 1 person i cannot remember. I proceed to tell him that this was my car and that he had stolen it, he knew what he had done because he didnt deny it. He tells me that hes gunna use it to chase his stolen truck down, i go along with it, but all i care about is my BMW.
The three men and i give chase in MY BMW, we catch up, the three men i was with prior initiate and take over the truck, two of the men get inside the truck and the man in black who had stolen my BMW was doing hostile RP, i get my BMW and drive it in front of the truck so they could leave in a hurry, i get out of my car whip out my m249 saw and initiate on the man in black, "guy in black, hands up or die now"
He doesnt comply, "hands up". during this he had his weapon out and was doing what us PVE'ers would call an "ENAS" strafe, after about 3 seconds, of this, the man runs towards the left of his truck, and i obliterate him for running, i tell my friends that i had fought infected and wolves and bears with on the roof for the last 2 hours, to put their hands down as i had just free'd them, they didnt steal from me? They helped me, the other man in black had stolen from me though. After that from, what i saw @Challenger dropped his hands and killed two people that has just initiated on him, which were also the two people who were helping the man who stole MY BMW. We plunder the loot and take our vehicles back.

 

 

this was not KOS, i am a very paranoid person anyway so i initiated on the man in black, just so i didnt get hit for a rule play.
I had gained defender rights as they initiated on my friends Challenger and the other man in blue, but i still initiated.
The men in the truck were not kos'ed either, as they were killed by someone they had just initiated on, seconds earlier.

If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

Edited May 23, 2020 by burRP
not lazy

[Aldebaran]

@TurkRP Sorry about that, I swear I heard burRP say you were involved. My bad chief

[Aldebaran]

Responding to burRP's POV because I am honestly blindsided by a few things that have been said.

9 hours ago, burRP said:

 After that from, what i saw @Challenger dropped his hands and killed two people that has just initiated on him, which were also the two people who were helping the man who stole MY BMW.

The men in the truck were not kos'ed either, as they were killed by someone they had just initiated on, seconds earlier.

The entire reason myself and @canadian_boi were working on submitting a report was because in the immediate aftermath of the event, we spoke with you in discord regarding what had happened while two staff listened in. During this conversation, you admitted several times (paraphrasing) that you did not know why myself or Canadian were killed. We were unsure, but your statement made us believe that we had been invalidly killed. By contrast, your statement here is vastly different to what you had told us earlier.

Additionally, the position logs will show that this entire ordeal was not premeditated. When @IntenseGeek first drove up to us and told us to get in, the remaining three of us all got in at the same time. We were not helping the man who had robbed you, all three of us got in at his direction with you getting in since it was your BMW. During the chase, I repeatedly took your side and questioned what we were doing.

Finally, I would like to cite rule 4.3 even IF we were found to have initiated

4.3 You shouldn't use defender or attacker rights in situations where it doesn't make in-character sense as it can be seen as rule play. In other words, obtaining kill rights alone does not give you explicit permission to use them any time you want and in all situations. Think about if using them to kill another character is viable in the current situation considering role play and In Character information. 

Myself and @canadian_boi did not partake in the actual hostage taking, once the two occupants of the truck were out we got in since this entire situation was not what we were expecting. While sitting in the truck, we were gunned down despite not presenting a clear threat since we had no way to defend ourselves. Instead of trying to unfuck the situation via RP, we were killed and denied any chance IC to figure out what just happened.

I'll stop posting now unless staff directs me to, I feel like I've caused enough headache/drama as is.

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Aldebaran
Forgot to add something

[Guest]

Connection Logs

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22:52:23 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" is connected
22:53:15 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" has been disconnected
22:53:48 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" is connected
01:14:57 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" has been disconnected

 

22:31:45 | Player "Milos Vanyek" is connected
23:34:17 | Player "Milos Vanyek" has been disconnected
23:46:30 | Player "Milos Vanyek" is connected
23:47:34 | Player "Milos Vanyek" has been disconnected
01:12:35 | Player "Milos Vanyek" is connected
01:14:57 | Player "Milos Vanyek" has been disconnected

 

22:42:52 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" is connected
23:08:14 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" has been disconnected
23:08:22 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" is connected
23:34:00 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" has been disconnected

 

21:52:43 | Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" is connected
21:56:10 | Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" has been disconnected
21:56:16 | Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" is connected
01:14:57 | Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" has been disconnected

21:56:24 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
22:36:25 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected
22:37:27 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" is connected
23:38:47 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" has been disconnected

Hit Logs

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23:07:56 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:07:56 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:07:56 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:07:56 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:31 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 4.16399 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.94548 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.7642 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.7642 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.7642 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.6784 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.6784 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.65832 meters 
23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" hit by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.70579 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:43 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:44 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:44 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:44 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:44 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:44 | Player "Milos Vanyek" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.0122 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.15233 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.1505 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.1505 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.14838 meters 
23:18:48 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.14366 meters 
23:18:48 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.14149 meters 
23:18:48 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.14112 meters 
23:18:49 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.29976 meters 
23:18:49 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.29976 meters 
23:18:49 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.29976 meters 
23:18:50 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.29976 meters 
23:18:50 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.29976 meters 
23:18:50 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" hit by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.30042 meters 
23:18:40 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:41 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:42 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:43 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:44 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:45 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:46 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:47 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:48 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:49 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:18:58 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:19:02 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:19:03 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:19:38 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_PatrolNormal_Summer
23:26:29 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:26:31 | Player "William Goldings" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:32:03 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:05 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:07 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:08 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:10 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:11 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:13 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:14 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:16 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:20 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:32:22 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by ZmbM_SoldierNormal
23:34:45 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by is unconscious
23:35:10 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by regained consciousness
23:36:22 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by is unconscious
23:36:47 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by regained consciousness
23:37:14 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:37:15 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit
23:37:16 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" hit by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34 with TransportHit

Kill Logs

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23:18:32 | Player "Adrik Vlenovid" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kenny Kowalski" with AKM from 3.7642 meters 
23:18:42 | Player "Milos Vanyek" (DEAD) killed by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 4.34502 meters 
23:18:47 | Player "Vojtech Kovac" (DEAD) killed by Player "Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov" with AKS-74U from 6.14838 meters 
23:37:16 | Player "Kenny Kowalski" (DEAD) killed by CrSk_BMW_525i_E34
23:39:55 | Player "William Goldings" (DEAD) died

 

Calling in the following people to post their POVs and any unedited video evidence they might have : 

@IntenseGeek - Adriko Vlenovid - OP

@canadian_boi - Milos Vanyek - POSTED

@Aldebaran - Vojtech Kovac - POSTED

@burRP - Kenny Kowalski - POSTED

@Jackfish - William Goldings - POSTED

@Challenger - Khristorozhdestvensky Shmopov - POSTED

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Aldebaran said:

 

Myself and @canadian_boi did not partake in the actual hostage taking, once the two occupants of the truck were out we got in since this entire situation was not what we were expecting.

I find this part quite interesting. You say you did not partake in the hostage taking. But could you explain why you all jumped out the car pointing your weapons at me and @Jackfish while your friend was was initiating? To me it looks clear as day that you were partaking as you're pointing your weapon at us while you're friend initiates on the truck.

That's the reason I killed both you and your friend. Regardless of you "thinking you aren't a threat" you were still a threat to me and @Jackfish, you could've jumped out at anytime and shot us. So I decided not take the risk and to gun you down. 

It is not my fault while in the middle of a hostile action that you thought it would be a good idea to jump into the truck while we still had our weapons, and were being interrogated. That's entirely you're fault. 

I do not have video evidence. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Challenger

[Jackfish]

I see a truck at the ATC. I stole it and decided to drive around on the airfield. I pick up @Challenger and we continue to drive around. Suddenly my game crashed. When I logged back in I got initiated on. Another man initiates on the guy who initiated on me and sprayed him down. @Challenger runs to the back where the other hostage takes were and killed them.

[Canadian]

5 hours ago, Challenger said:

I find this part quite interesting. You say you did not partake in the hostage taking. But could you explain why you all jumped out the car pointing your weapons at me and @Jackfish while your friend was was initiating? To me it looks clear as day that you were partaking as you're pointing your weapon at us while you're friend initiates on the truck.

That's the reason I killed both you and your friend. Regardless of you "thinking you aren't a threat" you were still a threat to me and @Jackfish, you could've jumped out at anytime and shot us. So I decided not take the risk and to gun you down. 

It is not my fault while in the middle of a hostile action that you thought it would be a good idea to jump into the truck while we still had our weapons, and were being interrogated. That's entirely you're fault. 

I do not have video evidence. 

This is going to be my last post, but to clarify once we hopped out, I did not point my gun at anyone, it was only equipped. Once I got in the truck, I said something along the lines of ''Thanks for the help, but we are just gonna get out of here now we dont want to kill anyone''. When me and @Aldebaran were held up by you and your friend, we were not even given time to exit the truck before getting gunned down.

EDIT : Grammar

Edited May 23, 2020 by canadian_boi

[Challenger]

Just now, canadian_boi said:

 When me and @Aldebaran were held up by you and your friend, we were not even given time to exit the truck before getting gunned down.

1. I didn't hold you up, you held me up when you came to reclaim your truck. I then proceeded to kill you with my KoS rights gained after you initiated on the truck and aimed weapons at me.

2. Myself and @burRP were not affiliated during this situation, he held you up on his own. I had no involvement in his initiation. 

I'll stop posting to avoid spamming the report. 

[Kermit]

Hello,

We have a couple of questions for the people involved;

For @canadian_boi and @Aldebaran:

Can you please be more specific to what happened after you both got out of the car?

For @burRP:

On 5/23/2020 at 3:06 AM, burRP said:

I had gained defender rights as they initiated on my friends Challenger and the other man in blue, but i still initiated.

Can you please tell us the relation between you and @Challenger?

[bur]

Ive met challeneger on his S gru character, the guy with the sick long name in game, and thats the character that was present at NW that day, fighting infected with me for like 2 hours. We had spoken, im pretty sure i invited him to look in my car for weapons and ammo. 
 

We spoke that day aswell, and participated in a group activity.
He started to get robbed by someone i didnt like, someone who had also stolen my car, and admitted stealing said car to me.

I double crossed them to help my friends in danger.

I also initiated and killed a non compliant hostage
 

Edited May 26, 2020 by burRP

[Aldebaran]

Once we exited the car, IntenseGeek immediately went hostile and pointed his weapon at the car, demanding that they get out of the vehicle immediately. Unfortunately this is where I would have liked a video recording, because my memory is faulty. What I know I DID do is exit the car with my shotgun out, and what I know I did NOT do is make verbal demands towards the occupants in any way. What I am unsure of is if I pointed the weapon towards them. In the immediate aftermath I definitively didn't believe I did since it is not like me both OOC and IC, but I may have been caught up in the moment. Once they exited, Geek continued to be extremely hostile towards then and I had an "Oh shit, we're the baddies" moment. I had intended this whole situation to be a discussion that may have turned hostile, but that flew out the window real quick. Unfortunately we didn't properly coordinate what our ramshackle group would do once we got up to the truck, especially since they were driving in circles. Either way, Canadian told me ICly to get in the truck, which I did by climbing in the back. Once in the back, I couldn't see much due to the glitchy nature of the covering interacting with third person view. I saw Bur initiate on Geek, but didn't count the seconds due the aforementioned confusion. Then I heard gunshots and watched Canadian get executed, followed by bullets spraying the covering which ended my life as well.

[Para]

Verdict:

@burRP - [Invalid Kill (Roleplayed)] - Inconclusive.
@Challenger - [Invalid Kill (Roleplayed)] - Inconclusive.

Explanation:

The staff team has looked over this report and has deemed it impossible to cast a judgement on either side. With a lack of video evidence present in this report it is difficult to say what actually happened and we cannot take one side's POV over the other. The OP, @IntenseGeek, claims to have not been given enough time to comply whereas @burRP claims he was non-compliant. Similarly, @Aldebaran claims he was not one who actually initiated on @Challenger and @Jackfish whereas @Challenger claims all 3 initiated.

Due to the conflicting POVs in this situation we have no choice but to find this report inconclusive. @IntenseGeek it is strongly recommended either you or your allies download a recording software so that future reports may yield more results for you.

With that said,

Outcome:

@burRP - [Invalid Kill (Roleplayed)] - No Action Taken.
@Challenger - [Invalid Kill (Roleplayed)] - No Action Taken.

Signed by: @Para & @Job