RDM/KoS west of green mountain

[Comrade Reaper]

Server and location: Chernarus ,West of green mountain by military camp

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2020-05-21, 23:50

Your in game name:  Michael Westen

Names of allies involved: @Comrade Icy

Name of suspect/s: dont know but suspect S-gru (red beret's) 

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): was 2 humvees 1 truck 1 civilian car 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): Shadowplay decided to not record my mic and what i was saying

Detailed description of the events: Me and Icy where making our way up north from zelenogorsk and heard tons of shot so we moved up to see what was going on and as i come up i spotted that it was "russians" with red berets i tried crawl back to the treeline where i came from as i knew that they would probably try and initiate on me but i crawled to slow and they spotted me. As they initiated they accused me for shooting at them i said i did not shoot at anyone at all except a few zombies on the way there. They tell me to drop my weapons and i do taking my hand down and then they complain saying i should of done it behind the truck and yelling at me to put my hand up again and that is when my character gets angry at the guy and starts yelling at him as he just told me to remove my vest and gun as i drop the gun he gets angry over where i did it and that i took down my hand to do it as you cant go in to inventory when you have a hand up.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Comrade Reaper

[Eddie]

Connection logs:

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23:15:12 | Player "Michael Westen" is connected
23:54:36 | Player "Michael Westen" has been disconnected

21:43:51 | Player "Nikolai Kazapov" is connected
00:29:05 | Player "Nikolai Kazapov" has been disconnected

22:44:58 | Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" is connected
00:45:04 | Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" has been disconnected
00:45:41 | Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" is connected

Hit logs:

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23:48:55 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2719.2, 6735.8, 363.5>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2718, 6735.3, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.33233 meters 
23:48:55 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2719.1, 6735.9, 363.5>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.9, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.36542 meters 
23:48:56 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2719.1, 6736.0, 363.5>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.7, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.53448 meters 
23:48:56 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2719.1, 6736.0, 363.5>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.7, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.53448 meters 
23:48:56 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2718.9, 6736.3, 363.6>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.7, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.60805 meters 
23:48:56 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2718.9, 6736.4, 363.6>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.7, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.665 meters 
23:48:56 | Player "Michael Westen" (pos=<2719.0, 6736.6, 363.6>) hit by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.7, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.90334 meters 

Kill logs:

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23:48:55 | Player "Michael Westen" (DEAD) (pos=<2719.1, 6735.9, 363.5>) killed by Player "Aleksandr Cheznov" (pos=<2717.9, 6735.2, 363.5>) with AKM from 1.36542 meters

Calling in the following people for their point of view as well as any un-edited video evidence they may have: 

@Comrade Reaper  | Michael Westen | OP - Please post the unedited video evidence you say you have.

@Comrade Icy  | Nikolai Kazapov | POSTED

@Lucas | Aleksandr Cheznov | POSTED

[Comrade Icy]

Don't really have much of a POV myself. We just had a RP session with 7-8 peeps in Zelenogorsk, so me and reaper decided to move north after they left. We heard tons of shots from the military base area, so we went towards it to see if the people we had just left needed any help, shooting and stabbing some animals and zombies on the way(assuming that's what they presumed to be us shooting at them? None of our shots was even close to the camp though). I spotted a heli crash on the way and went to check it while reaper went at the camp. He got initiated on, so I circled around trying to get a shot to help him, but he was killed before I was in position. Few minutes after he died, I took out my cz and shot at one of them, instantly running away to a different spot to get a second angle without getting spotted, so I never saw the result. My magazine was bugged though, so from the logs it looks like my shot never went through  I waited the 30m just in case, then logged out.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Comrade Icy

[Lucas]

Aleksandr Cheznov PoV:

So we get initiated on at the checkpoint and we end up fighting it out, we noticed just after that someone is lurking in the trees and Turk thought he got shot at so we head to them and initiate. Turk is bringing them back whilst I'm inside of the checkpoint. He gets there and Turk gave him clear demands but the OP was busy metagaming and listening to what his friend was telling him to do rather than focus on the roleplay in front of him. The man is told to drop his weapon and vest behind the truck but decides to stop for a few seconds puts his hands down and drops it where he is. We proceed to tell him we told him to do it behind the truck and he continues to walk around without his hands up. We tell him off for this and then we suddenly get a big burst of RAGE! He complains about how we told him to do something and he did the other, I think he calls us a retard and as turk attempts to tell him to shut up he continues to talk over him and tells us "shut the fuck up you bitch" and that's where I proceed to shoot him. 

This report is funny due to the fact in the video, they even acknowledge that it's a firefight and talk instantly about reporting someone for shooting them and even debate the fact that if you have a gun out or not you can get shot or not but STILL decide to go towards the gunshots not valuing their lifes at all... After this they even after being initiated on the OP continues to blatantly metagame throughout the entire video telling his friend through discord what's happening and what to do and even after dying he is then heard blatantly telling his friend about his death and what happened. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Lucas

[Comrade Icy]

9 hours ago, Lucas said:

This report is funny due to the fact in the video, they even acknowledge that it's a firefight and talk instantly about reporting someone for shooting them and even debate the fact that if you have a gun out or not you can get shot or not but STILL decide to go towards the gunshots not valuing their lifes at all...

As I said, IC and OOC we assumed it was the peeps we had just RP'd with. We were trying to guess if it was them clearing zombies or if they got in a fight, in the beginning Im explaining to reaper why he should move with his gun on his back, after he asked me "but what if they shoot me and I cant shoot?" or something along those lines, Im explaining to him that being unarmed would hopefully not make him a threat or a target if it is indeed a fight and that it'll be an invalid kill if someone gets trigger-happy, while if he has a gun he "was asking for it" and it'd pretty much be his own fault for getting randomly shot.

Also 90% of the RP we've gotten is by spotting people by their gunshots, be it fighting wolves, zombies, hordes or just trying out guns, wouldn't really call interacting with other players nvfl.

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After this they even after being initiated on the OP continues to blatantly metagame throughout the entire video telling his friend through discord what's happening and what to do and even after dying he is then heard blatantly telling his friend about his death and what happened. 

If he was actually metagaming I wouldn't have spent most part of the initiation chilling by the choppercrash but moved up to open fire if I knew 3-4 of you were chilling out in the open. He was mostly saying "shhh" while I kept asking what's going on, again, hence why i didn't get involved(well, I never got involved apparently since my gun bugged and didn't register) until I moved around trying to personally figure out what's up, get eyes on the whole situation, where you guys are, what's going on etc, you can even hear me in the video constantly asking for information cause I was getting none. Plus, I got KOS rights on you the second you initiated on him, him telling me he got shot or not doesn't change/affect anything

[Lucas]

1 hour ago, Comrade Icy said:

If he was actually metagaming I wouldn't have spent most part of the initiation chilling by the choppercrash but moved up to open fire if I knew 3-4 of you were chilling out in the open. He was mostly saying "shhh" while I kept asking what's going on, again, hence why i didn't get involved(well, I never got involved apparently since my gun bugged and didn't register) until I moved around trying to personally figure out what's up, get eyes on the whole situation, where you guys are, what's going on etc, you can even hear me in the video constantly asking for information cause I was getting none. Plus, I got KOS rights on you the second you initiated on him, him telling me he got shot or not doesn't change/affect anything

Are you serious? The video literally shows him meta gaming by not speaking in character whilst talking to you over discord. I don’t know if you just don’t know the rules or are straight up lying here...

not gunna respond unless asked to or feel like it’s necessary 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Lucas

[Comrade Icy]

30 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Are you serious? The video literally shows him meta gaming by not speaking in character whilst talking to you over discord. I don’t know if you just don’t know the rules or are straight up lying here...

Not gonna keep going back and forth with this since this is not a report about him metagaming but about you shooting him when, in our opinion at least, you had no reason to as he was not being a threat, obeyed etc and went for some hostile RP by yelling back at you. 

Not gonna clutter this any more unless asked to respond by staff 

[Para]

@Comrade Icy, @Comrade Reaper.

You can very clearly be heard having a conversation with him in the video at 5:00 and you don't seem insane enough to be talking to yourself. The following statement is very clearly false:

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"He was mostly saying "shhh" while I kept asking what's going on, again, hence why i didn't get involved(well, I never got involved apparently since my gun bugged and didn't register) until I moved around trying to personally figure out what's up, get eyes on the whole situation, where you guys are, what's going on etc, you can even hear me in the video constantly asking for information cause I was getting none."

As can be heard at 5:17, and numerous times in chat, the OP's video records him holding down his push-to-talk (discord audio) key in response to your questions. You then ask further questions such as "Do you want me to try and gun them now or wait for them to send you away?" Had he told you to shut up, as your own POV claims, you wouldn't be asking further questions. This is very clearly false, as you were plotting to open fire on the OP's captors. You were not getting no info.

With the above said, would you like to rethink anything on your POV regarding this situation? It is best you both be completely honest about what happened.]

Also could you both please explain your IC reasoning why you chose to run towards the gunfire "without your guns out"? 

[Comrade Reaper]

15 hours ago, Lucas said:

 The man is told to drop his weapon and vest behind the truck but decides to stop for a few seconds puts his hands down and drops it where he is. We proceed to tell him we told him to do it behind the truck and he continues to walk around without his hands up. We tell him off for this and then we suddenly get a big burst of RAGE! He complains about how we told him to do something and he did the other, I think he calls us a retard and as turk attempts to tell him to shut up he continues to talk over him and tells us "shut the fuck up you bitch" and that's where I proceed to shoot him. 

  I have not played much to remember which of the keys puts my hand up therefore i was fiddling around at start until you told me just use one hand as you also didnt give me much time to use the emote meny either. As for me dropping the weapon where i did is cause i did not hear you when you said behind the truck as i was busy trying to get in to my inventory but did not know you could not during the emote so i dropped my hand and dropped the gun and then you said behind the truck as then my character gets angry as he did not hear this and then starts yelling at the guy as he starts getting frustrated. With so many of you around you could of easily just shot me in the leg and i could of RP'd that out but you rather choose to just shoot me in the head cause i talked back to you? and you did not warn me for talking back to you prior to shooting.

15 hours ago, Lucas said:

This report is funny due to the fact in the video, they even acknowledge that it's a firefight and talk instantly about reporting someone for shooting them and even debate the fact that if you have a gun out or not you can get shot or not but STILL decide to go towards the gunshots not valuing their lifes at all...

Just cause someone is shooting a gun does not always mean it is a fight most of the time it is zombies or animals and with the new "tank zombie" we also assumed it might of been one of those aswell. We always assume the worst case scenario, calling us out for not valuing our lifes when we just had a roleplay session with 7-8 players in zelenogorsk who walked your way as we departed as i stayed to cook meat while they left.

[Comrade Reaper]

17 minutes ago, Para said:

@Comrade Icy, @Comrade Reaper.

You can very clearly be heard having a conversation with him in the video at 5:00 and you don't seem insane enough to be talking to yourself. The following statement is very clearly false:

As can be heard at 5:17, and numerous times in chat, the OP's video records him holding down his push-to-talk (discord audio) key in response to your questions. You then ask further questions such as "Do you want me to try and gun them now or wait for them to send you away?" Had he told you to shut up, as your own POV claims, you wouldn't be asking further questions. This is very clearly false, as you were plotting to open fire on the OP's captors. You were not getting no info.

With the above said, would you like to rethink anything on your POV regarding this situation? It is best you both be completely honest about what happened.]

Also could you both please explain your IC reasoning why you chose to run towards the gunfire "without your guns out"? 

I am not having a conversation at 5:00 the only word i said was no to his question about shooting them(i only have discord noise for when i press the key which is near my wasd keys and sometimes i also press it by mistake) as i wanted to see what they would do if i did some hostile RP towards them seeing as they been looking so weak the other times i have encounter them.

why we are running towards the shots without guns drawn? is cause we have already stated we had just Met a group of 7-8 people who kinda went that way so we also assumed it would of been them maybe being in trouble with infected or bears / wolfs. and i do not need the gun drawn at that point as i dont see why i would need to have it drawn if i assumed it was one of those as i could of easily taken it out in a second
 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Comrade Reaper
edited more context for discord

[Comrade Icy]

51 minutes ago, Para said:

You can very clearly be heard having a conversation with him in the video at 5:00 and you don't seem insane enough to be talking to yourself. The following statement is very clearly false:

As can be heard at 5:17, and numerous times in chat, the OP's video records him holding down his push-to-talk (discord audio) key in response to your questions. You then ask further questions such as "Do you want me to try and gun them now or wait for them to send you away?" Had he told you to shut up, as your own POV claims, you wouldn't be asking further questions. This is very clearly false, as you were plotting to open fire on the OP's captors. You were not getting no info.

as I said, mostly shhh. And yes I was asking for info, where they're taking him, if he wants help now or if he can walk away from it and we take revenge after. He still had his radio on him, according to the rules (3.6) I could still talk to him and communicate with him, how he responds is not in my control. My character is me, no fancy accents, it's been too long since i was a ruski. We both had radios. I don't think asking "gun them now, or wait after you're out, give you a gun and we go together" is OOC or metagaming in any way

"Are you still at the camp? I need to know where. Still in it?Are they not taking you away" is me trying to get information from him, which, as I already said, since he had a radio I'm pretty sure it's allowed to try and get information out of a friend that just told you he's in danger. His replies were was pretty much a mix of "yes, no, mhm", well, the ones that were not shushing me so he can hear in game. And as I already mentioned, my character was planning to take them down since they initiated on him. I didn't do that instantly, as, again, I had no information. That's why I circled around them in cover, trying to get eyes on what's going on, even after reaper was killed. Had I known they were all in the open field, or later so bunched up by their vehicles, I would have taken the fight close up with an automatic rifle and nades, instead of using a bugged CZ that fired a ghost bullet from 200-300m away after I got a view of the situation, made sure about them being in red berets, waiting to see their numbers, vehicles and equipment etc etc.

 

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Also could you both please explain your IC reasoning why you chose to run towards the gunfire "without your guns out"? 

As i already explained, we had just RP'd with 7-8 people in zeleno. Last we saw them they moved north-ish in the city. We decided to make our way north, and started hearing shots. We didn't know if it was a fight or not, or if it was zombie killing, or animal slaughtering etc etc, so we wanted to check out if anyone(assumed it was the peeps we rp'd with), need help etc. I arleady said, that OOC we wanted to make it obvious to people that we're friendly just in case it was an actual fight, as we couldn't participate since we share KOS with noone.

IC, it's pretty similar, unless I'm in a fight, or clearing zombies (or very rarely with full inventory carrying supplies), my character never has his gun in his hands as he doesn't wanna appear threatening to people, so hopefully, they don't see a reason to be threatening towards him, plus make them feel more comfortable so he can make friends etc. Plus, if people are hostile and initiate on us, having no gun in our hands will hopefully make them less nervous and trigger happy so we don't get shot for taking a split second too long to put it on our backs or something

 

Hope that clears it out, lemme know if you need more

Edited May 21, 2020 by Comrade Icy

[Lucas]

For the whole "You should of shot me in the leg and rp'd that instead of shooting me" thing, we attempted to do this when Turk began talking but you interrupted him and yelled over him shouting "shut the fuck up you bitch"

 

[Comrade Reaper]

9 minutes ago, Lucas said:

For the whole "You should of shot me in the leg and rp'd that instead of shooting me" thing, we attempted to do this when Turk began talking but you interrupted him and yelled over him shouting "shut the fuck up you bitch"

 

I do not hear anyone in the video trying to speak and since you cant hear me you can clearly hear everyone else and none told me to shut up. Also you never made a statement you would shoot if i did not so there was no reason to just execute me. 

anyway i will stop posting unless asked for.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Comrade Reaper

[Eddie]

Verdict:

@Lucas -Invalid kill (Roleplayed) : Not Guilty 

@Comrade Reaper - Metagaming : Guilty

Summary:

@Comrade Reaper and @Comrade Icy were traveling together through the woods north of Zelenogorsk when they hear shots in the distance towards the checkpoint just above Zelenogorsk. The two men were separated as Comrade Reaper was heading to where the shots were coming from and Comrade Icy was checking out a downed heli crash but they were in constant contact with each other via discord. As Comrade Reaper was approaching near the checkpoint to see what was going on he see's members of S-GRU who had just previously been in a firefight so he lays down in the field just shy of the view of the S-GRU members, he slowly starts to crawl back towards the treeline when members of S-GRU start to make their way to where the OP is laying. When they get closer to the OP, a shot is fired from somewhere's in the distance and the OP stands up, he is then confronted by a member of the S-GRU group asking him who he was and if he was the person that had shot at them. S-GRU then tells the OP to raise his hands but the OP couldn't figure out the emote so he ends up having just one hand raised, the S-GRU member then directs the OP to follow him. As the OP is being moved the S-GRU are questioning the OP, somehow the OP let's it slip saying that "We heard a lot of shots so we came over." He then is confronted and asked if that was his friend at the heli crash in which the OP answers ''He doesn't know''.They then tell the OP to move behind the Humvee and remove his weapons yet the OP stops and drops his gun disregarding the orders given to him, as the OP moves behind the vehicle stopping constantly for short periods at a time which makes the S-GRU members suspicious, they then tell the OP that they were going to get him to radio his friend but between the constant disregard of orders given and the backtalk given by the OP, he is shot and killed by @Lucas.

Rulebreaks:

• @Comrade Reaper Throughout the entirety of the video once you are captured by the members of S-GRU and you are told to put your hands up, once you put your hand in the F1 or F2 animation you are to cease all communication with your friend yet you are constantly speaking to @Comrade Icy through discord, you can hear your discord beep every time you press and release the Ptt, you are not double micing anything at all. As the members of S-GRU are trying to further the roleplay by interrogating you there are constant times that you stop and speak to your friend instead of engaging fully in the roleplay being provided. You say that there is no metagaming that is taking place yet there are times that you are asked questions by Comrade Icy and your discord's Ptt is pressed for longer periods of time. You are clearly metagaming by not muting your mic when your hand was raised and you didn't double mic when you spoke into discord. 

3.6 Using OOC communications like Discord, TeamSpeak or others to transmit or receive information related to in game situations is only allowed when you have a personal radio item in your inventory. As soon as your character loses the ability to speak or use the radio - for example has died, is unconscious, has been gagged, is surrendering (F1 or F2 animation), is handcuffed or had your radio item or clothing containing it removed from your inventory - you may not receive or transmit any in game information through OOC communications. While in presence of other players all such communication should also be transmitted in game using "double mic" mechanic. This means transmitting both through in game VOIP and external software simultaneously.

I also would like to address to both @Comrade Reaper and @Comrade Icy at the start of the video you both are talking about if certain scenario's were to go down then you can report, this is not the mindset we like to see on our servers. Do not go into a situation ready to make a report based off of what you think may or may not happen. I would like to state that if you know that there is an active firefight taking place you need to stay away from that location because you can be hit with NVFL knowingly going into an active firefight. 

Verdict:

@Lucas | Invalid kill (Roleplayed) | NOT GUILTY- No action taken

@Comrade Reaper | Metagaming | GUILTY- 3 day ban, 10 warning points & Character reset 

Signed by: @Eddie @Woodzie @Inferno