S1: Griefing 2020-04-23, from 21:30 to 03:30

[lt-shepherd]

Server and location: Chernarus, turovo

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 

Your in game name: John Shepherd

Names of allies involved: Joel Eames, Marek

Name of suspect/s: Unknown

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): Unknown

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: Between the times stated in the title, the base was raided and griefed, a lot of storage room was stolen as well as equipment and many things were moved out of place. the time 21:30 begins with me going offline, the base as still fine at that time, and it ends at 03:30 when Joel Eames got on to see it raided and griefed. inbetween that window of time, Marek got on, however between what times he was on and weather the base was raided or not is unknown. (watch the grey locker just under the window bar and the black one you can see at night, there are many more things missing and out of place, however i cannot provide screenshots of what they looked like before)

[Hofer]

18 minutes ago, lt-shepherd said:

Between the times stated in the title, the base was raided and griefed, a lot of storage room was stolen as well as equipment and many things were moved out of place. 

What do you mean by this? Stealing/raiding a base is allowed by the rules.

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4.8 Griefing is act of damaging or destroying a player base, storage container, vehicles or their contents using OOC knowledge, ill intent or doing so without IC reasoning that is proportionate to the damage done.

 

[lt-shepherd]

13 minutes ago, Hofer said:

What do you mean by this? Stealing/raiding a base is allowed by the rules.

 

What i meant is that during the span of 6 or so hours, the base was raided and griefed, raiding is allowed i know, but griefing is not. Our group was unknown to anyone and were in contact with basically no one, meaning whoever found the base had no reason to raid us IC. Lockers were moved, walls were destroyed, i can imagine some tents may have been shot and destroyed aswell, one of our two gates was sealed and broken aswell, leaving us no real way to get out of the base. (the wall that is in the pic used to be a locked gate)

Edited April 24, 2020 by lt-shepherd

[Guest]

Building logs:

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23:39:08 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
23:39:27 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
23:39:55 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
23:40:44 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
23:41:13 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
00:04:06 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" dismantled Fence with Hatchet
00:05:11 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" dismantled Fence with Hatchet
00:10:25 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" placed Storage Cabinet
00:24:06 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" placed Storage Cabinet
00:25:10 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" placed Storage Cabinet

23:51:38 | Player "Letonia Pelham" destroyed Fence with Sledgehammer

Connection logs:

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22:28:18 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" is connected
01:24:24 | Player "Andrzej Jaroslaw" has been disconnected

22:03:39 | Player "Letonia Pelham" is connected
01:19:56 | Player "Letonia Pelham" has been disconnected

 

Calling in the following people for their point of view as well as any un-edited video evidence they may have.

@lt-shepherd - John Sheperd - OP

@Blisna - Andrzej Jaroslaw - 

@kalyri - Letonia Pelham -  POSTED

[lt-shepherd]

The image of the gate provides proof for their breaking through the gate, and breaking through the fence with a sledgehammer at the end. the image that was taken during ingame night time shows how the lockers were moved by them. in addition to this particular locker, i count two more lockers and two tents (one military, one civilian) that were also gone. i do not know these characters ingame, i have never met them ingame, from my point of view they did not have a reason to raid our base. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by lt-shepherd

[kalyri]

So, let’s start with this:  we, as a group, received radio transmissions about a base in Turovo, with guys that weren’t very nice, or maybe it was just that they were highly suspicious, from potential allies.  Our leaders decided that we would meet up with the potential allies and then discuss what to do.  Upon reaching said allies, we heard what their plans were and ultimately decided to check it out for ourselves either way last night.  @Blisna had already checked out the base a few times while me and Fae and hutch were making our way north, so we kind of knew what to expect when we got there.  However, the sheer amount of tents and just things was something our group wasn’t happy about.  We’re about redistributing the wealth and such, so we decided to break in.  @Blisna used his hacksaws to break into the first gate, and then I used my sledgehammer to break the wire off the second, and then @blisna got through the bottom half of the gate turned fence while I went around to do... something,  I think I was looking for wire.  Came back, they told me to grab the bag they’d filled up and I took it to Fae who was off on a cliff making sure we didn’t get snuck up on.  Ran back with another backpack I got off an infected and we’d decided to take a few tents and a few cabinets and create a stash of our own.  After we were done, @Blisna double checked a few times to make sure we hadn’t left anything on the ground, then we stashed our new stuff and went to svetlo to meet up with our other group members, before three of us decided to go to bed and the others went off to do their own thing for the rest of the night.  

 

At no point did we destroy anything we didn’t need to, and we left nothing on the ground.  Anything moved was to help us with our raiding, and anything missing, we took. 

[lt-shepherd]

13 minutes ago, kalyri said:

So, let’s start with this:  we, as a group, received radio transmissions about a base in Turovo, with guys that weren’t very nice, or maybe it was just that they were highly suspicious, from potential allies.  Our leaders decided that we would meet up with the potential allies and then discuss what to do.  Upon reaching said allies, we heard what their plans were and ultimately decided to check it out for ourselves either way last night.  @Blisna had already checked out the base a few times while me and Fae and hutch were making our way north, so we kind of knew what to expect when we got there.  However, the sheer amount of tents and just things was something our group wasn’t happy about.  We’re about redistributing the wealth and such, so we decided to break in.  @Blisna used his hacksaws to break into the first gate, and then I used my sledgehammer to break the wire off the second, and then @blisna got through the bottom half of the gate turned fence while I went around to do... something,  I think I was looking for wire.  Came back, they told me to grab the bag they’d filled up and I took it to Fae who was off on a cliff making sure we didn’t get snuck up on.  Ran back with another backpack I got off an infected and we’d decided to take a few tents and a few cabinets and create a stash of our own.  After we were done, @Blisna double checked a few times to make sure we hadn’t left anything on the ground, then we stashed our new stuff and went to svetlo to meet up with our other group members, before three of us decided to go to bed and the others went off to do their own thing for the rest of the night.  

 

At no point did we destroy anything we didn’t need to, and we left nothing on the ground.  Anything moved was to help us with our raiding, and anything missing, we took. 

really? then why dont you guys go raid the russians? we had basically nothing compared to what they have, and our group is focused on helping people too, our group offered help to anyone who passed by, the things we had were supposed to go out to the community on a upcoming mission i had in store, but that seems to be out the window now. At no point you decided to contact us to try and see what we are up to or why we had what we had, this is not right.

Edited April 24, 2020 by lt-shepherd

[kalyri]

Because ICly, we don’t know where the Russians are based.  Or at least I don’t know.  We knew nothing about your group, we used the info we had and made a decision, that decision happened to be breaking into your place and taking your stuff to arm ourselves and create our own stash.  

[lt-shepherd]

1 minute ago, kalyri said:

Because ICly, we don’t know where the Russians are based.  Or at least I don’t know.  We knew nothing about your group, we used the info we had and made a decision, that decision happened to be breaking into your place and taking your stuff to arm ourselves and create our own stash.  

this is exactly what im saying, that decision was rash, too quick, and gave us Zero chance to attempt to even know what was going on

[Roland]

@lt-shepherd Which part is the griefing according to you, since we're having trouble pinpointing the actual rule break.

Base raiding is allowed, which means people are allowed to break down walls in order to get inside the base. That's not griefing.

Stealing items and storage is allowed since they are a rare commodity, as long as it's not done excessively. Looking at your screenshots it seems like you have some things left, so it's not that either.

[lt-shepherd]

1 minute ago, Roland said:

@lt-shepherd Which part is the griefing according to you, since we're having trouble pinpointing the actual rule break.

Base raiding is allowed, which means people are allowed to break down walls in order to get inside the base. That's not griefing.

Stealing items and storage is allowed since they are a rare commodity, as long as it's not done excessively. Looking at your screenshots it seems like you have some things left, so it's not that either.

i can screenshot what those tents have, theres basically nothing left in them, other than some clothing, maybe 2 or so guns left, and a few canteens of water and some food.
the griefing part to me is the displacement of lockers, destruction of the entrance (you dont need to turn the gate back into a wall to get in), excessive looting of what we had and in my eyes a insufficient reason to do such an action so quickly without even attempting to talk to the people who reside in the place.

[Roland]

Just now, lt-shepherd said:

i can screenshot what those tents have, theres basically nothing left in them, other than some clothing, maybe 2 or so guns left, and a few canteens of water and some food.
the griefing part to me is the displacement of lockers, destruction of the entrance (you dont need to turn the gate back into a wall to get in), excessive looting of what we had and in my eyes a insufficient reason to do such an action so quickly without even attempting to talk to the people who reside in the place.

Ok, I will have to dismiss all of these points, as per our current rules and the information you provided they cannot be classified as griefing. Report closed.