Groups with characters on different maps

[Basko]

DISCLAIMER: Examples used in this discussion are not meant for personal reason, but just to explain the topic.

Groups with characters on different maps

Problem:
As of recent I have seen groups that both operate on Chernarus and Livonia. This in itself doesn't seem like a problem to me, though there is something else bothering me regarding this topic. This is that there are some people playing in those group which have two characters in the same group. One on Livonia and one on Chernarus. Recently Roland has changed the character page setup so that you can assign your character to either Chernarus or Livonia. Using a different character on the other server, just to still be able to play as your group seems like a loophole in the system to me. I think that you should only play with one character in one group. 

Example:
Just like the disclaimer says, this is example is purely to demonstrate the issue. In this example we will look at the group The 5.0.3. This group seems operate in both Chernarus and Livonia. The problem is that it is the same people using different characters as explained above. The alternate characters are assigned to be affiliated with the group and appear on the roster.
Example character: https://www.dayzrp.com/characters/display-20511/

Conclusion:
In my opinion groups should either decide to stay on one map or be allowed to change under special circumstances. Constantly hopping and using different characters to be playing the same group on both maps doesn't seem right to me. Maybe groups can be assigned the same way as characters are. Set to one server and can be changed with good reason.

I would like to know peoples' opinions about it in the form of a poll. Please explain your choice below.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Basko
Corrected spelling mistakes

[AndreyQ]

I don't see that as a problem as long as there is some sort of lore behind it. Seeing as 503 were on Chernarus before, to me it makes sense that some members could have stayed there and continue the group activity.

What I do find problematic is how people can play hot potato with the server and teleport from one map to another. People should get hit for that.

[Elijah Johnson]

23 minutes ago, AndreyQ said:

I don't see that as a problem as long as there is some sort of lore behind it. Seeing as 503 were on Chernarus before, to me it makes sense that some members could have stayed there and continue the group activity.

What I do find problematic is how people can play hot potato with the server and teleport from one map to another. People should get hit for that.

I have to agree with Andrey Q while I don’t think switching is a problem hot potato between the two doesn’t make sense especially in less than a 24hr period with the same character.

One character per roster no don’t agree with that people like to play different types of characters within a group and if one character per roster was allowed I would just run a dynamic with the other and play as if I was in the group obviously without receiving combat benefits 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Elijah Johnson

[boring]

Dont take this the wrong way, but is this post only up because a 5.0.3 Squad is active in chernarus.. yeno the server where everyone has the best gear because there is no borderline hostile RP there anymore? since Ladbroke left for Livonia (and then disbanded) there hasn't been really any.. as @AndreyQ has said above me there shouldn't be an issue, as 5.0.3 Rained terror over Chernarus for several months and so it makes sense for a squad or remnants to be there. and tbf it seems as if it's a single dig at @CJ for him returning. he has a total new character, new voice and new persona for Tyrone's activities in Chernarus.

as i said, seems like this post is only up because hostile rp has returned to chernarus and you all cant run around with ur FAL's, M4's and everyone having two cars each. was made clear to me because you literally linked his character. however dont take it the wrong way it's just how you've conveyed yourself. 

[Kordruga]

I think it's fine as long as it makes sense for the group to move between both places and/or has history there. If there's lore and RP reasons then why not?

Only problem I have is characters that are on Livonia sometimes have a tendency to warp through time and space over to Chernarus because their friend got initiated on. 

[Basko]

4 minutes ago, speirs said:

Dont take this the wrong way, but is this post only up because a 5.0.3 Squad is active in chernarus.. yeno the server where everyone has the best gear because there is no borderline hostile RP there anymore? since Ladbroke left for Livonia (and then disbanded) there hasn't been really any.. as @AndreyQ has said above me there shouldn't be an issue, as 5.0.3 Rained terror over Chernarus for several months and so it makes sense for a squad or remnants to be there. and tbf it seems as if it's a single dig at @CJ for him returning. he has a total new character, new voice and new persona for Tyrone's activities in Chernarus.

as i said, seems like this post is only up because hostile rp has returned to chernarus and you all cant run around with ur FAL's, M4's and everyone having two cars each. was made clear to me because you literally linked his character. however dont take it the wrong way it's just how you've conveyed yourself. 

The problem stated is about multiple characters per roster on different maps and not about hostile roleplay. 
In all fairness, I would have liked it if 5.0.3 and other hostile groups never left Chernarus.

Before using the example of 5.0.3 and CJ's character, I've asked him if it is alright to use 5.0.3 as an example, which he agreed on.

[CJBB]

503's roleplay

I must admit our character pages are not the best. Mine included im working on mine but put roleplay first before actually putting alot of detail onto it. We are roleplaying that we are the remnants of the 5.0.3 under direct orders left to us when 5.0.3 switched to livonia. Completely new characters, Some people are on their old 5.0.3 characters that did not make the move. We are roleplaying with new voices and identities... like im playing a black character. I dont think groups should be locked to one server when in the 5.0.3 case it just would not make sense to lock them to livonia. people switch from livonia to cherno every single day on that same character, but we are only flagged because we engage in hostile RP and ruin S1's campfire vibe. 

I think the presence of 5.0.3 on S1 with the people that come on to play with us has boosted the population. Its great to see S1 go above 40+ pop, which it has since 5.0.3 swapped over, like a day or so ago it almost reached 60.

That being said I can see the reason made for this post. But I must vote no to locking the servers. As that would just split the servers up even more, but if it is decided to lock the servers then please allow me to own and managed two groups. One for both maps. 

[Knight]

Before anything i must admit that i'm glad of the return of players on S1

I feel like groups can be active on more than one map/location, so that groups don't constantly have to switch thier entire roster to a server, it would be inconvenient.

Altough i would agree on a single character per roster, it would make quick server switching alot less common.
(If paired with a switch cooldown of around maybe 12 hours ?)
 

[boring]

Just now, Basko said:

The problem stated is about multiple characters per roster on different maps and not about hostile roleplay. 
In all fairness, I would have liked it if 5.0.3 and other hostile groups never left Chernarus.

Before using the example of 5.0.3 and CJ's character, I've asked him if it is alright to use 5.0.3 as an example, which he agreed on.

but you fail to understand what i mean, if 5.0.3 never returned to chernarus and everyone could sleep all snuggly next to their god teir loot.. would this post still be up? as i said this is the way it has been made towards me.

with the return of hostile rp to server 1, this is why this post has been made.

[PublicVoodoo]

1. I don't think groups should be limited to a map, however I do think something needs to be inplace to make RP sense for travel times. From my understanding this is being worked on by @Roland to set up a server switching timer so once you join a server you cannot switch for a certain amount of time.

2. 100% agree to an extent. I think all group members should have only 1 character assigned to that group. The only time a new character can be made for the group is if the previous character is PK'd.

[Basko]

4 minutes ago, speirs said:

but you fail to understand what i mean, if 5.0.3 never returned to chernarus and everyone could sleep all snuggly next to their god teir loot.. would this post still be up? as i said this is the way it has been made towards me.

with the return of hostile rp to server 1, this is why this post has been made.

Again no. This post is about having multiple characters of one group on different maps with 5.0.3 being used as an example.
Please take the argument of loot hoarding and campfire vs hostile roleplay to a different thread.

[boring]

39 minutes ago, Basko said:

Again no. This post is about having multiple characters of one group on different maps with 5.0.3 being used as an example.
Please take the argument of loot hoarding and campfire vs hostile roleplay to a different thread.

Just as i understand where you come from with your OP, so to should you with what im saying lad, i do sort of agree on the one character per group thingy.. however it is literally not an issue at all.

Edited March 25, 2020 by speirs

[Eagle]

This change isn't needed we already have a 2 hour timer when rights are active to swap between servers.
Having only one character between rosters is not needed either if you have the characters and lore to fit with it why does it matter?
My character never left the country so why doesn't it make sense that he's their and helping the only similar minded people he worked with in the past, this seems to only be an issue now to avoid certain groups and players since that's the only reason I see this change being done.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Eagle

[CJBB]

If our different characters are on a different server why would it matter and how would it affect you?

@speirs @Voodoo @Basko

Its not like we are switching characters to avoid any consequences, we are purely switching servers to roleplay on different characters.

Its not like your going to be running into tyrone on Livonia. he is purely a cherno character. 

[boring]

Just now, CJ said:

If our different characters are on a different server why would it matter and how would it affect you?

@speirs @Voodoo @Basko

Its not like we are switching characters to avoid any consequences, we are purely switching servers to roleplay on different characters.

Its not like your going to be running into tyrone on Livonia. he is purely a cherno character. 

I did say i do sort of agree, not 100% though. the way it is right now currently is absolutely fine and personally i don't think it should be changed.

[Brayces]

I think it should be one group, one server. But I could be lenient. If you want to roll a alt on S1/S2 who's not in the group that's fine to me. 

If you plan to make your "base of operations" in Livonia as a group, then why the hell are you flying over to Chernarus randomly? Well, not flying. Driving. Unless you take the time to RP out prepping and going there for legitimate IC reasons I can't see why people flip flop.

It takes days to drive that far and so people instead roll alts which are just carbon copies of their mains in the same group to get around that issue of "well, how did you get here that fast?" "OH MAN, I've been here all the time!" only to share Kill Rights for those who they are hunting.

Then you have them sharing info with that char. from their main char. How is that any different than when you swap off a dead char and make his "brother" who suddenly has all the same info and dirt on people that your old char did? "Oh, I on this char. have never ever been spoken of, mentioned, referenced or related to Big Boi Group but I'm keenly aware of all the information needed and prior hostilities required in order to go hunt down and kill enemies of ours who are in these lands. And I got a radio call randomly that our enemies are around so off I go murdering." Metagaming, 'cept you did it with yourself. Still metagaming though.

You want to share info on a alt, you RP about it and do it all IC on a server with that char. When you are playing a Alt you cannot RP with yourself to share that info, that's where you need to RP with your own friends and group members to do so. And I highly doubt anyone who's fast swapping has put in the time nor the effort to do this. 

Like, make two chars. sure! That's completely fine. Share info your main knows to your alt THROUGH your mutual IC player connections. Sure. But don't have both in the same group running around as the same person under a different name and CP. I didn't even think you COULD have two chars. in the same group at the same time. But, I dunno maybe that changed. 

Make one for Livonia, and one for Chernarus. One is in the group, the other isn't. And that group is situated on one server. You wanna do gang group shit do it on that char. in that group on that server. Or make the whole ass group move to the other server and stay there for a fair bit before traveling back, traveling between the two servers for a reason makes sense as long as you put in the effort and have a good IC reason to move there and STAY here for a fair bit to accomplish this IC reasoning/goal of going there to start with.

You wanna quickly roll with some friends that are in the group on the other server without planning a IC move? You all roll alts and share dynamic rights on the other server with no prior knowledge of what your main chars. nor group are doing. Or, you leave the group on your main and take the time to travel to Chernarus /Livonia and stay there for a few days before traveling back. 

At this point it's PVP chasing and not RP at all. You cannot convince me that people are suddenly making alts to "meet new people and create new narratives" when conveniently one group with major hostilities dips to Chernarus and another then another immediately follows.  

But it's w/e because it cannot be regulated. There's no way to lock a group to a server and lock someone into enrolling a Main Char. in that group then kicking them from the OTHER server if they join on a alt CP who's also flagged under the same Group roster. So this is moot, there's nothing that can be done. People are going to find loop holes to chase each other around without even considering the RP that goes into it nor the complications or impacts regarding it. 

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, speirs said:

as i said, seems like this post is only up because hostile rp has returned to chernarus and you all cant run around with ur FAL's, M4's and everyone having two cars each. was made clear to me because you literally linked his character. however dont take it the wrong way it's just how you've conveyed yourself. 

Your post is highly offensive to anyone who is roleplaying on Chernarus. We do not run around with FALs and whatever guns, because our characters don't have the reason to own such items. An item worth about that much as much significance you assign to it. To my character an electrical repair kit or a screwdriver worth more than the fanciest gun you can find. You are keep echoing this point of view of yours, that anyone who doesn't  actively engage or agree in hostile RP must be a loot goblin. I beg you to reconsider your accusations and train of thought before negatively categorizing a whole bunch of roleplayers. 

The issue here is that we have the same villains and groups in both Chernarus and Livonia, magically travelling and coordinating their actions. I am personally would much prefer if a new group filled  in the space left behind by 5.0.3., not them suddenly reappearing, played by same people on different characters, assigned to the same group. It is getting extremely stale like this, and leaves a bitter aftertaste. As roleplayers I believe we should have some fantasy and original thought behind our characters and groups.

 

[HuskyBB]

I know you are not complaining because of hostile roleplay @Basko, because i feel like you can appreciate anyone's presence on chernarus as your group has never made the move to livonia.  But i do think generally that is kind of the case.

I remember groups having seperate characters as soon as livonia released and noone complained about it. 

But now that a hostile group is doing it people complain about it suddenly..

Edited March 25, 2020 by Husky.

[Basko]

1 minute ago, CJ said:

If our different characters are on a different server why would it matter and how would it affect you?

@speirs @Voodoo @Basko

Its not like we are switching characters to avoid any consequences, we are purely switching servers to roleplay on different characters.

Its not like your going to be running into tyrone on Livonia. he is purely a cherno character. 

I started this thread purely to hear the communities opinion about having multiple characters on a roster, since I have not seen this happen before the characters were set to one server. I would personally find it weird to add myself twice on my roster with a different character. In the way 5.0.3. pulls it of it makes sort of sense to have remnants around, but to avoid future confusion with other groups, I wanted to gather opinions of the community.

The effect it will have on me is that I think I would get more original roleplay if different groups operate on different maps. I would like to see new hostile groups pop-up that are purely focused on Chernarus itself, instead of having groups hover over both maps.

 

[Chewy]

I feel like 1 group 1 server is a bit eh. Both maps are in the same universe, and technically they could easily get there in a great big convoy, albeit it may take a bit of time but vehicles are a thing and if they have one, they will definitely get there in good time compared to on foot.

As for 1 character per group I agree to this. It doesn't make sense in my opinion to have two characters both in the same group simply because well.. If y'all wake up in a bulletstorm at your base I highly doubt your alt is going to sleep through it like "nah man they got this" - You'd probably want all hands on deck, everyone doing their part to defend. Unless ofcourse that character is far from home, out doing other stuff. Way I see it there's just no point in alts in groups. If you get bored of your main you could just roll dynamic with an alt, but that means you can't share rights with the main group, so be careful.

[boring]

1 minute ago, Comrade Politruk said:

Your post is highly offensive to anyone who is roleplaying on Chernarus. We do not run around with FALs and whatever guns, because our characters don't have the reason to own such items.

Literally ask @CJ, with the encounters he's had on chernarus the last few days i beg to differ. seem's like what i've said you've taken personally and more to heart than anything, so i will try and elaborate again since you seem to struggle what i mean.

With the lack of hostile-RP on Chernarus, everybody has been anxiety free! with just wolf's and the common cold to care about. It doesn't make sense for 95% of the population in Chernarus (unless their character has some cliche military background) to be running around with said weapons, i've played chernarus myself recently. 

5 minutes ago, Comrade Politruk said:

prefer if a new group filled  in the space left behind by 5.0.3

Tyrone and CO. are remnants of 5.0.3, left behind or decided not to leave chernarus, please read the whole thread.

 

5 minutes ago, Comrade Politruk said:

played by same people on different characters

Have you met Tyrone in game? Tyrone and CJ are literal polar opposites.. @CJ has created an entire new persona with this new character.. everything down to the grey raspy voice which sounds like a ghoul from Fallout.

 

6 minutes ago, Comrade Politruk said:

As roleplayers I believe we should have some fantasy and original thought behind our characters and groups.

any character who isn't a Military cliche is original IMO. https://www.dayzrp.com/characters/display-20511/ how is this unoriginal? 

[Eagle]

2 minutes ago, Brayces said:

-s

If it's roleplayed out and not a cardboard copy of the other how does it effect roleplay? so much so you'd pretty much need two group pages for two servers.

1 minute ago, Comrade Politruk said:

The issue here is that we have the same villains and groups in both Chernarus and Livonia, magically travelling and coordinating their actions. I am personally would much prefer if a new group filled  in the space left behind by 5.0.3., not them suddenly reappearing, played by same people on different characters, assigned to the same group. It is getting extremely stale like this, and leaves a bitter aftertaste. As roleplayers I believe we should have some fantasy and original thought behind our characters and groups.

 

<not them suddenly reappearing, played by same people on different characters>  I couldn't then roll with 503? with a new character with new motivations and new goals because your angry with the fact no one wishes to fill the void and mainly use the server to escape/horde rather then to further their stories.

[Zed JR]

Groups being limited to one map to me is ridiculous, although i do agree with 1 active character on a groups roster at a time to an extent.

If we should take my group as an example, because in reality 503 is the reason for this thread. 503 used to reign in Chernaurus and spread terror around the map this combined with some of our past enemies escaping down to Chernaurus makes perfect sense for 503 to show they still have a presence down there like they used to, after all hostileRP is part of DayZRP as well.
And in turn John smiths people or nameless being bandit hunters also makes perfect sense to follow us and hunt us down for plundering and raiding innocents.

I see no problem with this at all, more then some characters warping through time and space between Livonia and Chernaurus. And the fact that you no longer can horde your guns in piece

Edited March 25, 2020 by ZedLR

[Basko]

21 minutes ago, Husky. said:

I know you are not complaining because of hostile roleplay @Basko, because i feel like you can appreciate anyone's presence on chernarus as your group has never made the move to livonia.  But i do think generally that is kind of the case.

I remember groups having seperate characters as soon as livonia released and noone complained about it. 

But now that a hostile group is doing it people complain about it suddenly..

I indeed welcome all kind of roleplay since it is just nice to see Chernarus become an alive place again.
Besides I have always hated the 'mass migration' of characters moving to Livonia since it just did not make any IC sense.

I think that there were indeed people of groups that made new characters to play on Livonia, but those were generally not named on the roster of those groups as far as I know.
As of recent this changed and characters are now actually named on group rosters. That is why I started this thread and not because of increasing hostilities on the server.
 

[StrawberryJam]

I have a bit of a different opinion then what seems to be the general consensus here so I'll go ahead and state my opinion.

I do not think that groups should be limited to one server in any form, there are plenty of IC reasons to sometimes move between the two. As long as it's not a constant thing and its RPd out properly it's fine. It's on the people playing to make to do this responsibly, as any form of regulation would be difficult to pull off.

Now the multiple characters thing is a more complex issue. I dont see a problem with it, and I understand why it is being done to avoid the badRP stigma of flash travelling between servers and I definetly appreciate anyone trying to be responsible and i also am glad to see the landscape of Chernarus become more complex. I love the story of the 5.0.3 looking for Umbra and chasing them down out of hiding, it really plays into the whole sort of shadow force thing I was going for with Umbra. 

From what I understand ICly, the 503 held up a man in Livonia who told them that Umbra was in Chernarus, and they acted on that information. The person they held up most definetly had that information, so to me that's an awesome natural RP scenario fo play out. 

Now what I do wish is that CJ and the 503 members we all know and love came themselves. Not because I have any problem with what they are trying to do, as I said I understand it. But I think had the RP would have played out better if characters who had histories together had arrived so we could better forward that storyline. It's kind of hard to RP out living in Chernarus for a month when suddenly Tyrone and friends appear out of a bunker on the airfield like a section 20 member whose airfilters have gone bad. It would also make it easier for Livonias to explain why such a presence in their country is suddenly absent.

I think it's a complicated issue that doesnt exactly have a correct answer, as I think the 5.0.3 was trying to do the right thing when they created these alts. I think we are just all going to have to go through some growing pains and let this develope naturally and ICly. 

What  matters most is that Chernarus has life again, which OOCly is what I was hoping would happen when I made the decision the move a portion of my group to Chernarus knowing we were being hunted. It's nice to see the country that alot of our characters call home have some life again. At the end of the day this is dayzrp, not second life. Hostilities should be expected.

Edited March 25, 2020 by TegsBenedict