S2 Soup Kitchen : Combat Logging/ Possible Metagaming

[Eciek]

Server and location:  S2 Livonia, Soup Kitchen

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): I believe 8:30 ish UTC 2020-03-17

Your in game name:  Eciek Numenor

Names of allies involved:  Corp/ Section 20

Name of suspect/s: Unknown Female

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): none

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):  I can send it to an admin, the picture is over the size limit.

Detailed description of the events: While Raiding Soup Kitchen,  A woman is observed to be watching us from the safety of the house. Immediately she is told by myself, and i believe another corp member to put her hands up or die. She continues to not comply, before retreating further into the house. I open fire in an attempt to bring her down for not complying and jeopardizing the operation. She goes prone next to a cabinet before sitting up to combat log, I am unable to catch a picture of her visible inside the house as none of us suspected her to combat log. Following us witnessing her "disappearance" we continue to raid the base before leaving the area.

i would like to add @Will placed a //timestamp of her "combat logging"

Later on upon raiding another enemy of the Corp, we were ambushed. I believe that as a result of her combat logging she warned our enemies and told them to be on guard, subsequently leading to our deaths.

[GaryCash]

So personally I’d probably be willing to drop this report against the accused combat logger if section 20 wants to because upon further investigation I’ve found out that the player @DaisyMay is incredibly new to the server and probably adjusting to our strict rule set

however this is also a clear cut case of meta gaming

im curious as too who killed us via the logs; and what their log in times were, positions etc, also if they are also on this discord — which should be easy to tell

 

im also curious who responded to @DaisyMay’s post in that discord lol and upon realizing they were clearly meta gaming and incriminating themselves deleted their post between the 

posts

What this says to me unfortunately is unlike @DaisyMayperhaps where she is a gamer that is new to the servers and is still figuring out right from wrong (hopefully) that these other gamers were likely acutely aware of their transgressions in the rules and rather than being oblivious they just didn’t give a fuck and went off meta gamed information

all in all this is extremely disappointing as it was clearly apparent during the time that all this happened we were being meta gamed and combat logged on

 

my POV:  we went to reacquisition corporate assets that had been stolen by the coalition of factions that have banded against us strategically hitting one after the next to garner more supplies for each sequential hit.  We initiate on a woman in soup kitchen who clearly hears us and combat logs, both by her actions and the proof in the pudding above; we are then meta gamed by enemies about our positions being in Sitnik commencing raids against our enemies and subsequently killed by a counter attack that should have never taken place and would have never likely if they hadn’t acquired intel through cheating

 

If staff wants me to be provide the members of that discord server I can— I have them screen shotted and unless Someone logged in mid screen shots I should have all of them

 

all in all I hate seeing people banned but this is just some what egregious— the person deleting their post because they knew what they were doing leaves a particularly bad taste in my mouth

i hate seeing new players banned so I’d personally be fine if this report was ended up being dropped against @DaisyMay — so long as she realized what she did was CHEATING— I mean logging off to go to bed is one thing but then we on top of that meta gaming all of our positions— again I am really giving her the benefit of the doubt here; the more I think on it though, she did have to have an idea what she was doing was wrong —  but I’m seriously curious who decided to act on her information she posted (clearly meta gamed and from Combat logging as she admits)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by GaryCash

[PowerofWill]

so as i figure im gonna be called in here anyway so here it goes:


after i wake up in the middle of the woods i make it back to our base and find out people stole almost all our shit.
so we needed to go out there and find the people who did it. first stop was soup kitchen. we walked in and i hear somebody speak inside one of the cabins.
we drop the initiation and suddenly the cabin goes completely silent. the woman inside vanished.. 
i quickly type //timestamp in ooc so the time can be found easily.
we continue the raid very fast couse it didnt feel right. 
me and a a few others drop the loot at the hideout while others where scouting another base in sitnik.
after dropping the loot off we make our way to the base in sitnik industrial.
my people are trying to get in and as i think we dont need all these people to go thru a fence i decide to practice some parcour by climbing a shed 
i notice a friend behind me on another roof and i feel pretty safe....
well at that time someone tells me to put my hand up. i turn around fall down and take shots immidiatly.
while im stuck in the animation of climbing back up the guy puts more bullets in me. i manage to get maybe one shot off before collapsing.

now it felt weird. this guy comes out of nowhere. and yes im corp so i am kosable. but he didnt knew that.
anyway when i see what @GaryCash posted i have the feeling these guys meta gamed us.
especially when i see that @DaisyMay responses to someone but that someone deleted his of her message cause they clearly knew the info was oocly
but they covered their tracks and used the info anyway ICly therefore clear case of metagaming.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Will
spell check. better wording

[Eciek]

While I can certainly understand and appreciate that the player who committed this rulebreak is new,  metagaming and combat logging are two of the most clear-cut rules there are to break. The person in question not only admitted to logging out after being initiated on they decided to pass on information regarding it and then probably because someone realized they fucked up coached them to delete there messages or worse yet an admin of that discord was complicit in this action and deleted it for them. After talking it over with my group we will not be dropping this report.

[Pink Misfit]

Since I am going to be called into this report, I guess I should give my statement, I was going through my inventory falling asleep, had nodded off about 15 times in 10 minutes as ai couldn't keep my eyes open anymore so I was in the process of logging off for the night when I heard the sound of a code lock being turned so I called out "hello, who's here" I didn't get a reply, so I called out "who's out there" when I heard "put your hand up" "put your hands up or die" like I said I was already in the process of logging out and it's a habit I have mad e to move to the bed when I "go to sleep" I was so tired. I literally couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. So I logged off. I proceed to go to our discord channel and said " I think we are being raided" hence the word I Think because I logged out and didn't know if that was what was actually happening, one of my fellow players asked if "they where still there" because this like like 5 or so minutes later, and my response was basically I don't know I logged off. To go to bed. I had no idea who was in the camp as I didn't see much and I'm still new to the server so I haven't met alot of the other clans. I Just know I heard put your hands up or die as I was logging off. Don't know what else to say to convey my side. 

[Conor]

Kill Logs:

Spoiler

09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (DEAD) pos=<11349.8, 9474.6, 182.6>) killed by Player "Cillian Joyce" pos=<11352.1, 9473.3, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.68644 meters
09:27:32 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (DEAD) pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.6>) killed by Player "Cillian Joyce" pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3348 meters
09:29:52 | Player "Hugh Capet" (DEAD) pos=<11271.3, 9421.6, 192.2>) killed by Player "Shaniqua Jones" pos=<11273.5, 9350.6, 182.5>) with M417 from 71.7271 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (DEAD) pos=<11281.3, 9431.1, 188.2>) killed by Player "Cillian Joyce" pos=<11278.9, 9431.3, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.40954 meters
09:33:02 | Player "Romulus King" (DEAD) pos=<11268.3, 9435.8, 192.2>) killed by Player "Shaniqua Jones" pos=<11342.5, 9357.9, 192.9>) with M417 from 107.581 meters
09:38:29 | Player "Garrison OShay" (DEAD) pos=<11320.1, 9470.5, 182.3>) killed by Player "Lucas Joyce" pos=<11342.2, 9451.8, 182.2>) with 6-M7 Frag Grenade
09:41:54 | Player "Donte Williams" (DEAD) pos=<11323.8, 9464.2, 185.4>) killed by Player "Shaniqua Jones" pos=<11357.6, 9491.0, 184.6>) with M417 from 43.1739 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (DEAD pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) killed by Player "Lucas Joyce" pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:50:34 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" (DEAD) (pos=<11343.4, 9478.9, 184.6>) killed by Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11332.1, 9476.9, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 11.6915 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (DEAD) (pos=<11332.5, 9473.3, 182.3>) killed by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.34112 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (DEAD) (pos=<11329.1, 9475.6, 182.3>) killed by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11328.9, 9471.7, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.86769 meters

 

Hit Logs:

Spoiler

09:25:36 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11347.7, 9474.5, 182.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11356.5, 9472.5, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 9.07055 meters
09:25:37 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11347.8, 9474.5, 182.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11355.1, 9471.6, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 7.90824 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.6, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11352.2, 9473.4, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.93875 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.8, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11352.1, 9473.3, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.68644 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.8, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11352.1, 9473.3, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.68644 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.8, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11352.1, 9473.3, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.68644 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11350, 9474.6, 182.7>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11352, 9473.2, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.46533 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.9, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11351.5, 9473.1, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.32325 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.7, 9474.6, 182.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11351.3, 9473.0, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.26028 meters
09:25:38 | Player "Victor Bel" (pos=<11349.5, 9474.5, 182.5>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11351, 9473.0, 182.2>) with M16A4 from 2.10606 meters
09:26:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282.1, 9427.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11294.3, 9412.1, 182.8>) with M4A1 from 20.0614 meters
09:26:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282.1, 9427.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11294.3, 9412.1, 182.8>) with M4A1 from 20.0614 meters
09:26:19 | Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11294.3, 9412.1, 182.8>) hit by Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282, 9427.1, 188.2>) with M16A4 from 20.1192 meters
09:26:19 | Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11294.3, 9412.1, 182.8>) hit by Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282, 9427.1, 188.2>) with M16A4 from 20.1192 meters
09:26:19 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.7, 9427.4, 188.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11294, 9411.9, 182.8>) with M4A1 from 20.536 meters
09:27:31 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.4, 9491.1, 189.5>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.4984 meters
09:27:32 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3348 meters
09:27:32 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3348 meters
09:27:32 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3348 meters
09:27:32 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.6>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3348 meters
09:27:35 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.5>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3225 meters
09:27:35 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" (pos=<11388.8, 9490.9, 189.5>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11453.8, 9537.9, 185.3>) with M16A4 from 80.3225 meters
09:29:20 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.7, 9432.7, 188.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11265.3, 9416.4, 183.3>) with RGD5Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 0 damage (RGD5Grenade_Ammo)
09:29:52 | Player "Hugh Capet" (pos=<11271.3, 9421.6, 192.2>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11273.5, 9350.6, 182.5>) with M417 from 71.7271 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.2, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11278.9, 9431.4, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.34013 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.3, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11278.9, 9431.3, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.40954 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.3, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11278.9, 9431.3, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.40954 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.4, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11278.9, 9431.2, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.50461 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.8, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.7, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.86539 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.8, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.7, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.86539 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.8, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.6, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.89185 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.8, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.6, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.89185 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.8, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.6, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.89185 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.9, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.5, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.97295 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11281.9, 9431.0, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.5, 188.2>) with MP7 from 2.97295 meters
09:32:18 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279, 9430.4, 188.2>) with MP7 from 3.04496 meters
09:32:19 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279.1, 9430.3, 188.2>) with MP7 from 3.0807 meters
09:32:19 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282.3, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279.2, 9430.1, 188.2>) with MP7 from 3.28328 meters
09:32:19 | Player "Jameson Henderson" (pos=<11282.3, 9431.1, 188.2>) hit by Player "Cillian Joyce" (pos=<11279.2, 9430.1, 188.2>) with MP7 from 3.28328 meters
09:33:02 | Player "Romulus King" (pos=<11268.3, 9435.8, 192.2>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11342.5, 9357.9, 192.9>) with M417 from 107.581 meters
09:33:02 | Player "Romulus King" (pos=<11268.3, 9435.8, 192.2>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11342.5, 9357.9, 192.9>) with M417 from 107.581 meters
09:33:11 | Player "Unknown/Dead Entity" (pos=<11271.4, 9422.8, 192.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11270.1, 9423.8, 192.2>) with M4A1 from 1.62623 meters
09:33:27 | Player "Unknown/Dead Entity" (pos=<11268.3, 9435.8, 192.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11268.6, 9433.8, 192.2>) with M4A1 from 2.04468 meters
09:33:27 | Player "Unknown/Dead Entity" (pos=<11268.3, 9435.8, 192.2>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11268.6, 9433.8, 192.2>) with M4A1 from 2.04468 meters
09:38:29 | Player "Garrison OShay" (pos=<11320.1, 9470.5, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11342.2, 9451.8, 182.2>) with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 30.0668 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
09:38:29 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11323.1, 9465.3, 185.4>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11342.2, 9451.8, 182.2>) with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 40 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
09:38:29 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11336.4, 9478.8, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11342.2, 9451.8, 182.2>) with M67Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 1.12476 damage (M67Grenade_Ammo)
09:38:48 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.9, 9466, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11331.3, 9460.7, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 5.7481 meters
09:38:48 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.9, 9466, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11331.2, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 5.31459 meters
09:38:48 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.9, 9466, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11331.3, 9461.3, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 5.20107 meters
09:38:51 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11323.3, 9465.4, 185.4>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11359.8, 9491.8, 184.7>) with M417 from 45.0842 meters
09:41:54 | Player "Donte Williams" (pos=<11323.8, 9464.2, 185.4>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11357.6, 9491.0, 184.6>) with M417 from 43.1739 meters
09:42:12 | Player "Donte Williams" (pos=<11322.5, 9463.4, 185.4>) hit by Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11357.6, 9490.9, 184.7>) with M417 from 44.5964 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0245 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0447 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0447 meters
09:43:49 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" (pos=<11328.1, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11323.5, 9461.2, 182.2>) with M4A1 from 12.0447 meters
09:50:28 | Player "Unknown/Dead Entity" (pos=<11327.5, 9474.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9452.6, 182.2>) with RGD5Grenade_Ammo into (-1) for 37.257 damage (RGD5Grenade_Ammo)
09:50:34 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11343.4, 9478.9, 184.6>) hit by Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11332.1, 9476.9, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 11.6915 meters
09:50:34 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" (pos=<11343.4, 9478.9, 184.6>) hit by Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11332.1, 9476.9, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 11.6915 meters
09:52:14 | Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11326.8, 9472.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.9, 9474, 182.3>) with B52 from 6.29085 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.8, 9470.9, 182.3>) hit by Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.8, 9473.7, 182.3>) with B52 from 5.71753 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.7, 9473.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.6, 9471.2, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.49646 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.7, 9473.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.6, 9471.2, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.49646 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.5, 9473.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.34112 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.5, 9473.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.34112 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.4, 9473.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.24165 meters
09:52:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11332.4, 9473.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11327.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 5.24165 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11328.7, 9475.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11329.8, 9472.0, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.36727 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11328.8, 9475.3, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11329.6, 9471.9, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.44572 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11328.9, 9475.4, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11329.3, 9471.8, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.66735 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11329.1, 9475.6, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11328.9, 9471.7, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.86769 meters
09:52:18 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" (pos=<11329.1, 9475.6, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11328.8, 9471.7, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 3.914 meters
09:52:20 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11333.5, 9474.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11334.8, 9472.4, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 2.25681 meters
09:52:20 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11333.5, 9474.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11334.6, 9472.7, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 1.87524 meters
09:52:20 | Player "Eciek Numenor" (pos=<11333.5, 9474.2, 182.3>) hit by Player "Lucas Joyce" (pos=<11334.5, 9472.9, 182.3>) with M4A1 from 1.66385 meters

 

Chat Logs:

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08:51:19 | Chat("Victor Bel"): //timestamp

 

Connection Logs:

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06:22:24 | Player "Eciek Numenor" is connected
09:05:52 | Player "Eciek Numenor" has been disconnected
09:06:02 | Player "Eciek Numenor" is connected
09:44:01 | Player "Eciek Numenor" has been disconnected
09:44:08 | Player "Eciek Numenor" is connected
09:52:33 | Player "Eciek Numenor" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:21:29 | Player "Hugh Capet" is connected
07:58:07 | Player "Hugh Capet" has been disconnected
07:58:16 | Player "Hugh Capet" is connected
09:30:14 | Player "Hugh Capet" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:22:14 | Player "Jameson Henderson" is connected
08:25:29 | Player "Jameson Henderson" has been disconnected
08:25:38 | Player "Jameson Henderson" is connected
09:38:41 | Player "Jameson Henderson" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:21:45 | Player "Romulus King" is connected
07:58:24 | Player "Romulus King" has been disconnected
07:58:57 | Player "Romulus King" is connected
09:33:10 | Player "Romulus King" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:24:11 | Player "Victor Bel" is connected
07:58:42 | Player "Victor Bel" has been disconnected
08:19:49 | Player "Victor Bel" is connected
08:20:36 | Player "Victor Bel" has been disconnected
08:21:13 | Player "Victor Bel" is connected
09:26:02 | Player "Victor Bel" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:21:31 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" is connected
06:54:57 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" has been disconnected
07:10:46 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" is connected
09:27:56 | Player "Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:23:36 | Player "Garrison OShay" is connected
09:38:42 | Player "Garrison OShay" has been disconnected -DEAD-
09:39:11 | Player "Garrison OShay" is connected
09:42:05 | Player "Garrison OShay" has been disconnected
09:43:40 | Player "Garrison OShay" is connected
09:50:36 | Player "Garrison OShay" has been disconnected
09:50:56 | Player "Garrison OShay" is connected
09:57:43 | Player "Garrison OShay" has been disconnected

06:23:44 | Player "Donte Williams" is connected
09:46:21 | Player "Donte Williams" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:23:27 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" is connected
06:33:53 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" has been disconnected
06:34:01 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" is connected
07:51:13 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" has been disconnected
07:51:23 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" is connected
10:20:26 | Player "Mikhail Eastwood" has been disconnected -DEAD-

06:23:39 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" is connected
07:33:04 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" has been disconnected
07:43:37 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" is connected
09:58:54 | Player "Liwanu Langundo" has been disconnected -DEAD-

02:17:14 | Player "Daisy May" is connected
06:19:51 | Player "Daisy May" has been disconnected
06:33:51 | Player "Daisy May" is connected
08:50:52 | Player "Daisy May" has been disconnected

09:06:52 | Player "Cillian Joyce" is connected
10:22:08 | Player "Cillian Joyce" has been disconnected
10:31:59 | Player "Cillian Joyce" is connected
10:55:51 | Player "Cillian Joyce" has been disconnected

09:07:15 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" is connected
09:52:38 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" has been disconnected -DEAD-
09:52:54 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" is connected
10:20:24 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" has been disconnected
10:36:28 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" is connected
11:07:54 | Player "Shaniqua Jones" has been disconnected

09:11:53 | Player "Lucas Joyce" is connected
10:22:08 | Player "Lucas Joyce" has been disconnected
10:28:52 | Player "Lucas Joyce" is connected
10:55:49 | Player "Lucas Joyce" has been disconnected

 

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@Eciek - Eciek Numenor - OP

@Zamerock - Hugh Capet -

@theHOLYtruth - Jameson Henderson -

@Romulus - Romulus King - POSTED

@Will - Victor Bel - POSTED

@Faebloom - Alaina Nikolaevna Ivanova -

@GaryCash - Garrison OShay - POSTED

@Stempist - Donte Williams -

@Eastwood - Mikhail Eastwood -

@Liwanu - Liwanu Langundo -

@DaisyMay - Daisy May - POSTED

@Rutkiy - Cillian Joyce -

@GMAK - Shaniqua Jones -

@Lucas - Lucas Joyce -

[Eciek]

19 minutes ago, DaisyMay said:

Since I am going to be called into this report, I guess I should give my statement, I was going through my inventory falling asleep, had nodded off about 15 times in 10 minutes as ai couldn't keep my eyes open anymore so I was in the process of logging off for the night when I heard the sound of a code lock being turned so I called out "hello, who's here" I didn't get a reply, so I called out "who's out there" when I heard "put your hand up" "put your hands up or die" like I said I was already in the process of logging out and it's a habit I have mad e to move to the bed when I "go to sleep" I was so tired. I literally couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. So I logged off. I proceed to go to our discord channel and said " I think we are being raided" hence the word I Think because I logged out and didn't know if that was what was actually happening, one of my fellow players asked if "they where still there" because this like like 5 or so minutes later, and my response was basically I don't know I logged off. To go to bed. I had no idea who was in the camp as I didn't see much and I'm still new to the server so I haven't met alot of the other clans. I Just know I heard put your hands up or die as I was logging off. Don't know what else to say to convey my side. 

After i initiated on you, you ran back inside the house you were in and went prone because i started to fire my shotgun at you for not complying and @Faebloom said she would start throwing gernades inside the house. You blatant combat logged in front of us and then went on to inform your're compatriots about what was going on, please do not lie here.

[Conor]

The staff team have received the following images to hopefully clarify some aspects of this situation.

 

In image 1 you can see that the only messages deleted in the discord channel were those from @DaisyMay as they were not RP messages formatted appropriately as per the other messages in the channel.
 

In image 2 you can see that IC information pertaining to NATO/Corporation already being in the area was given out around 30 minutes after the messages posted by DaisyMay.

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[GaryCash]

6 hours ago, Conor said:

The staff team have received the following images to hopefully clarify some aspects of this situation.

 

In image 1 you can see that the only messages deleted in the discord channel were those from @DaisyMay as they were not RP messages formatted appropriately as per the other messages in the channel.
 

In image 2 you can see that IC information pertaining to NATO/Corporation already being in the area was given out around 30 minutes before the messages posted by DaisyMay.

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It actually appears they posted this intel 30 minutes after They were given this intel from daisy may not before, daisy posted at 3:58am and then 4:09 am — they then started posting about IC information 30 minutes AFTER the metagame not before at 4:20— I’d like to point out we all may be on different time zones as well and those screen shots are from a different source so the times MAY be different — however again it appears be the reverse of what your saying I believe based on all the screen shots presented 

 

Also doesn’t add up because 30 minutes before she put up her message we weren’t even at the Wolfpack base we were gearing up to hit soup kitchen — that makes absolutely 0 sense there’s no way that’s right

Edited March 17, 2020 by GaryCash

[Conor]

42 minutes ago, GaryCash said:

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After some further digging, you are in fact correct. I had the understanding that screenshot #2 I provided above was taken by someone in the same timezone as the screenshot of DaisyMays messages that I had received outside of the report by the person who deleted them however this is not the case. I will edit my previous post.

To clarify further, the deleting of the messages was done with no ill intent. Screenshots of the messages were taken before they were deleted in-case information regarding their existence was needed in the future (such as this report).

[theHOLYtruth]

I was in charge of a section 20 fire-team that included Eciek(he was the one initiated), we moved into the soup kitchen. Eciek initiated on the person in the cabin, then after initiation I find out the person is gone.(combat logged) 

[Romulus]

Romulus King POV:

Me, @theHOLYtruth, @Eciek, and @Zamerock had just completed a supply run when we were approached by Corp to help them raid Soup Kitchen. We agreed due to Soup Kitchen's role in previous raids on Corporation, who are our allies. We gear up and head out. When we reach Soup Kitchen, our point man @Eciek runs into Soup with a Corp operator, Operator Krasota, and initiate on @DaisyMay. I hear their initiation via radio as they double mic'd so as to comply with metagaming rules. I set up on a perimeter position when @DaisyMay disappears. That was after she was ordered multiple times by both @Eciek and Operator Krasota, both speaking directly to her, as I heard through double micing. We all are reasonably surprised, and @Will drops //timestamp to make sure we can report this, but we move on to do a "smash and grab"-esque raid, quickly grabbing gear after breaking into a cabin and leave. At that time @GaryCash announced that we would be moving on to raid the Wolfpack base in Sitnik industrial. Sec:20 quickly offloaded raid loot and made our way there.

Once in Sitnik industrial, myself, @theHOLYtruth, and @Zamerock set up on overwatch with several other Corp members around the industrial complex. @Eciek was once again our pointman and assisted @GaryCash in breaking in. At that time, me and @Zamerock were on the roof of the Admin building right next to Wolfpack base. I began to get shot at and identified two targets. Me and @Zamerock fired back. I heard the attackers shouting in Irish accents leading me to believe they were the Joyces, and I guess I was correct. One of them, I am not sure who, said that "You raided Soup Kitchen..." followed by something else. At the time I thought nothing of it, but unless the Joyces were on  overwatch above the Soup Kitchen, they shouldn't have known that. We conducted a lightning raid and were out quickly, and @DaisyMay was the only person we encountered. I am not claiming that the Joyces intentionally metagamed, but I feel that someone told them meta information, whether or not they were aware if it was. I cannot give conclusive proof of that, however. Before I was killed, I relayed information to @GaryCash on enemy positions double micing, but once I was sniped I ceased comms.

All of the Sec:20 in the Admin building were killed, me and @Zamerock by a sniper, who I commend for some pretty good shots, and @theHOLYtruth was killed by I assumed the Joyces storming the building, as he cut comms. After that, I decided not to respawn, as I might be too close and violate NLR upon spawn. I proceeded to get off for the night, hoping @GaryCash, @Eciek, and the other Corp operators would make it out alive.

I have no video evidence.

[Lucas]

Lucas Joyce POV: We get on the server to notice that the camp has been raided. We look around the place for something before I place a code lock on the cabin for Soup to not have further stuff stolen. We are thinking "It's either 503 or Corp, but probably corp due to the raid that we did last night on them" We head into Sitnik to see if whoever did it is still around. We head towards Wolfpack base and notice pink wearing armbands ontop of the old Merciless base overwatching wolfpack base and notice them breaking into the wolfpack base. We initiate on them and kill everyone in Merciless base and move to wolfpack base. We kill all of them in there aswell but Shaniqua the bad bitch falls. We finish up and move stuff back to soup for the gear they lost. After that everyones been up all night and we just log off.

[Faebloom]

Alaina Nikolaevna POV: I was in a fireteam with the rest of my squadron, and we noticed a lone female within the building. She said something that I didn't quite make out, nor can I remember, and we moved in on her. We initiated, and she moved back and forth within the cabin. She was not logging out as we rolled up on her. After I threatened to throw a grenade into the cabin I noticed that she logged off, although she might not have heard my comment as everyone else was shouting their initiations. She had logged before I could throw my grenade.

[Rutkiy]

 

Cillian Joyce POV:

@GMAK, @Lucas and I log on to find some of that early hour RP, all of us spawn at Soup Kitchen or somewhere nearby. As we enter Soup Kitchen, we notice that it has been raided. We move to Sitnik to maybe run into the people who raided it. We walk into Sitnik, and either Lucas or GMAK calls out people at Sitnik industrial area, more accurately at the ‘Tisy building’ who are wearing pink armbands. Upon closer inspection, some more people were breaking into Wolfpack’s base, who are allies of ours.

I initiate on a man just outside Wolfpack’s base, and when he non-complies, I put him down. I am forced to fall back to the main road of Sitnik because of the ridiculous amount of infected. When I cross the main road, I spot another person on top of the garages east of the Wolfpack’s base. I get in a good position to shoot the person, and another one bites the dust.

Then I move to the ‘Tisy building’ and help Lucas clearing it. This is done swiftly and efficiently and we move on to Wolfpack’s base itself. A good amount of shots are exchanged until Lucas is angered by Shaniqua’s death and he clears the base from the offline raiders.

[GMAK]

GMAK POV: @Rutkiy, @Lucas and I log on and see soup has been raided. We figure it was either 503 or Corp, so we go to do some investigating in Sitnik to see if we can find anyone and figure out what happened. As we search the town we see a group of people on top of the old Merciless base, some of them are seen to be wearing pink armbands which we know are Corporation colors so we decide to initiate. Rutkiy sees one of them outside the wolfpack base trying to break in so  initiates on him and kills him, after this me and Lucas both initiate on the people who were still in the Merciless base and a firefight breaks out.

Edited March 18, 2020 by GMAK

[Para]

Verdict:

@DaisyMay - [Combat Logging & Metagaming] - Guilty:

Explanation:

As taken from everybody's POV involved, @Eciek, along with members of his group and Potius Cras are raiding conducting a raid on Soup Kitchen when they spot @DaisyMay. Through both sides' POVs we are able to determine that Daisymay receives an initiation from someone (Eciek) to which she logs out due to being "tired" and proceeds to report in discord that Soup Kitchen is being raided, alerting her allies to what is going on.

We would like to include the two following rules in a spoiler to help explain why your actions were rulebreaks:

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3.1 You are required to role play your character at all times while in game. No OOC events or communication may take priority over your role play. You are not allowed to ignore other players attempts to role play with you.

4.5 Combat logging is leaving the server during or shortly after a hostile situation or when your character is still involved in active role play. If any players have kill rights on you or your group, you may not log out from the game until 30 minutes passed since you broke the line of sight with any of those players. This rule can be ignored if the players involved give you OK to log out earlier.

To put it simply you received an initiation, as stated in your own POV yet decided to log out because "you were going to log out anyway." As per the rules above this is literally the definition of combat logging. You logged out to avoid a hostile situation. To make matters worse, you then transferred information you had gained IC into your discord AFTER logging out to avoid your captors. Your character was no longer in the server and to actively avoid roleplay others were trying to provide, only to give IC information to your group is extremely shady. Your character was no longer in the server and thus unable to transfer any IC information. This was information you more than likely wouldn't have been able to transmit either as you'd likely either be a hostage OR dead for non-compliance. Because of the explanation above, you will be found guilty of metagaming and combat logging for this situation.

We strongly suggest you try to prioritise roleplay in the future. Logging out to avoid your captors is scummy. You could have tried to negotiate a deal ICly (i.e. roleplay your way out of the situation) or even communicate with your captors using ooc chat (For example: "//Sorry guys, I really need to go to bed, can we make this quick?"). Most decent people will hatch some form of IC plan and be decent enough to let you leave the situation. We hope you will reflect on this report and use alternative, correct methods of leaving situations in the future.

With all that said,

Outcome:

@DaisyMay - [Combat Logging & Metagaming] - Punishment (3 ban days, 10 warning points). + Character reset.

Signed by: @Para & @Inferno.