S2 Livonia Outskirts of Grabin - BadRP

[Castana]

Server and location: S2 Livonia Outskirts of Grabin 10841/12549

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): about 12pm

Your in game name: Erik johnson

Names of allies involved: Nathan

Name of suspect/s: dan (cartell) and some friend of his

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): no vehicles

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: me and nathan met 2 guys hunting, we say hi to them and told them we were heading to some hunting cabins near were we met, after a while they also come there and we were talking and after a while they pulled their guns and started the hostage situation. they told us we should contact some cody (cartell) and we being kept there for 24h. we logged out and when i logged back in there was a hesco there and i couldent get out. i tried to wait for 2 hours but no one came

[Elmo]

Connection

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06:48:58 | Player "Erik jonson" is connected
11:17:45 | Player "Erik jonson" has been disconnected

08:08:02 | Player "Nathan Abadeer" is connected
11:17:15 | Player "Nathan Abadeer" has been disconnected

05:42:28 | Player "Ryan Dudley" is connected
13:18:17 | Player "Ryan Dudley" has been disconnected

06:03:30 | Player "Murphy Mills" is connected
13:19:20 | Player "Murphy Mills" has been disconnected

Position

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10:56:18 | Player "Erik jonson" (pos=<10843, 12542.2, 225.6>) 

10:56:18 | Player "Nathan Abadeer" (pos=<10843.9, 12544, 225.4>) 

10:56:18 | Player "Ryan Dudley" (pos=<10844.3, 12542.9, 225.6>) 

10:56:18 | Player "Murphy Mills" (pos=<10845.7, 12543.7, 225.4>) 

Building

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11:29:15 | Player "Ryan Dudley" (pos=<10847, 12536.7, 224.7> placed HESCO Kit (5) 

Chat

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10:53:05 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //ooc once you log you must stay 24hours and contact neo tomorrow and wait till him to get here due to being tied up and locked it??
10:53:15 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //In*
10:54:08 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //do you have neos radio? ooc?
10:54:22 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //i could stay, just wanted to eat
10:54:33 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //i can eat later tho
10:54:41 | Chat("Erik jonson"): // ye ah me  too
10:54:46 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //jep i have
10:55:04 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //for rp sake the rules state when you join tomrrow you have to be here waiting for him stilll tied up in rp
10:56:02 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //OOC WE WILL LET YOU KEEP YOUR GEAR
11:03:38 | Chat("Erik jonson"): < // s o te ll me .  d o i n eed t o lo g in  afte r ex ac tly  2 4 h
11:03:54 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //nope
11:04:13 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //im not even sure why u need to stay
11:04:39 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //when are you planing to log back in?
11:05:11 | Chat("Erik jonson"): //dont know i would play all day but tomorrow this time im at work
11:05:47 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): // imean they just want me.. so i think u free to go if you log back in
11:10:35 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): // you can ooc him
11:10:52 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): // youst like i need to do
11:11:06 | Chat("Erik jonson"): //yeag prob but rules state you need radio for that right
11:11:36 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //see how the fuck should i tell him that then xD
11:11:52 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //thats ust bad planed out
11:12:11 | Chat("Erik jonson"): //haha planned??
11:12:23 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //by the cartell
11:12:44 | Chat("Erik jonson"): //yeah i mean they prob did not plan this
11:12:23 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //by the cartell
11:13:09 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //prob not but still
11:15:06 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): // i wrote something on discord to you

Calling in the following to post their PoV(s) of the situation, as well as upload any video evidence they may have and name their allies in this situation:

@Drumroll - Nathan Abadeer - POSTED

@Ophelia005 - Ryan Dudley - POSTED

@Murdawg - Murphy Mills - POSTED

 

@Ophelia005 - Can you explain why you placed this HESCO barrier down where these gentlemen had logged out?

[Rover]

@Ophelia005 Explain these chat logs. What rule are you referring to that lets you believe you can keep players hostage while you are offline?

 

10:53:05 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //ooc once you log you must stay 24hours and contact neo tomorrow and wait till him to get here due to being tied up and locked it??

10:55:04 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //for rp sake the rules state when you join tomrrow you have to be here waiting for him stilll tied up in rp

 

[Murdawg]

Ah, I even asked at one point if we were really allowed to block the door like that. I was told that it was because it had just happened to another person we know recently, or something like that. I'm also unsure of why I believed that you could keep a hostage while logged out, that sounds ridiculous in hindsight.

Sorry, there was ignorance and a failure to double check the rules on my part.

[Ophelia005]

what happened was that we held them up and we knew they wanted to go to bed so we agreed to a hostage situation if you pull logs you will see they agreed to staying in order for our other member to come and take him but we were trying to be nice and allow them to log off and go to bed like they requested in VOIP. we stayed hidden near the cabin and heard them talking about waiting for restart and leaving once they were untied which would be rule breaking using the restart to leave, we also have proof that they were talking IC in Discord although we had taken their radios. 

[Ophelia005]

If i was miss informed on a rule and broke it i will willingly accept and take the blame just over the radio i was told that you are aloud to block doors in order to act as if we blocked /locked the door and left them tied up we had a similar situation where the 503 took hector and neo our group members and locked /blocked them in the prison so i assumed we were aloud to do so so they wouldn't break roleplay to escape. I am sorry about blocking the door and if i need to i am still in the area and will remove the hesco kit myself, and id like if you took down the report due to the fact i was nice enough to leave you all your gear and not just execute you i have you decent chances so maybe you can return the favor thank you-Ryan 

 

[Rover]

Due to being in game since being called into this report, as well as being on the forum, @Drumroll will be temp banned until they post their POV.

[Drumroll]

Eric and i where hunting near that Cabin when we met those two guys, after the first time meeting the we went up to the cabin to search for a Hunting bagpack. They followed us up there and initiated after a short while. Eric and me wanted to log off and they loked us in that cabin to take us hostage for 24h.  They said we should contact cody when we are back on and tell him where we are, even without radio in our equipment. there was a hesco kit blocking the door after loging back in.

[Inferno]

@Drumroll, your temp ban has been removed. Please keep an eye on on the forum for any future call into reports.

[Rover]

14 hours ago, Ophelia005 said:

we also have proof that they were talking IC in Discord although we had taken their radios. 

Please provide that evidence, as well as any unedited video evidence you have of this situation.

[Ophelia005]

I don't have any video my pc isnt good enough to record and play sadly. And why do the other people keep saying random names like dan and cody? I told him to contact neo not dan or cody?

 

[Rover]

21 minutes ago, Ophelia005 said:

I don't have any video my pc isnt good enough to record and play sadly. And why do the other people keep saying random names like dan and cody? I told him to contact neo not dan or cody?

 

 

You stated the below:

14 hours ago, Ophelia005 said:

we also have proof that they were talking IC in Discord although we had taken their radios. 

Please provide this proof.

 

[Castana]

14 hours ago, Ophelia005 said:

what happened was that we held them up and we knew they wanted to go to bed so we agreed to a hostage situation if you pull logs you will see they agreed to staying in order for our other member to come and take him but we were trying to be nice and allow them to log off and go to bed like they requested in VOIP. we stayed hidden near the cabin and heard them talking about waiting for restart and leaving once they were untied which would be rule breaking using the restart to leave, we also have proof that they were talking IC in Discord although we had taken their radios. 

Im really sorry for this man, but you have to understand that i did not want to go to bed we just wanted to grab something to eat but both me and nathan told you we could do that later  (see below)

10:54:22 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //i could stay, just wanted to eat
10:54:33 | Chat("Nathan Abadeer"): //i can eat later tho
10:54:41 | Chat("Erik jonson"): // ye ah me  too

i was really confused on how we would contact neo without breaking the rules (i was thinking his name was cody) since im not having a radio and you took nathans? i was also really confused about the 24h, i did not know if we were talking about real time or game time.  you used the name dan from what i heard.

also when i logged in after my meal like 1h after the situation i couldent do anything, i shouted for you but you logged off, from what i read in rules im no longer hostage since you logged, i was in that cabin for almost 3h online, that kinda ruined my free off work playday.

Dont get me wrong here i would love to see that situation being solved by rp as i was really  curious to see what would happen, i really did enjoy your roleplay, and we did talk in discord after about this really complying with rules but never as our characters

[Ophelia005]

It's all good I was fed misinformation and it was late at night I'll take whatever punishment given to me for the bad rp @Rover

[Peril]

Summary:
@Ophelia005 and @Murdawg met @Drumroll and @Castana whilst hunting, eventually reconvening at a nearby hunting cabin.  At this hunting cabin, the former pair initiates a hostage situation on the latter pair.  However, Drumroll and Castana were planning on logging off for a brief food break.  OOC discussion ensues, where Ophelia wrongfully claims that the rules require Drumroll and Castana to act as their hostages 24 hours from the time of this situation.  Drumroll and Castana agree to continue the hostage situation the following day when everyone is back online and they both log off to get food.  Whilst they were logged off, Ophelia approaches the cabin and builds a HESCO barrier across the door, leaving Drumroll and Castana totally trapped in the building with no hostage takers to be found.

Rulebreaks:

• @Ophelia005, there is absolutely nothing in the rules that binds other members into OOC agreements with you to continue hostage situations.  You can do agreements such as these on OOC terms with your hostages, but trying to convince them that they are rule-bound to do so, and then forcing them to complete this deal with game mechanics by way of HESCO Barrier is inappropriate and disallowed.  The use of a false premise not actually found in our rules and a HESCO barrier is BadRP and will be punished as such.
• Additionally, you admit to waiting around the cabin to hear what your hostages are doing, and only after you're certain they've logged out do you move to build the HESCO barrier.  You utilized game mechanics in an inappropriate way to ensure that your rulebreaking building of the HESCO barrier was uninterrupted.  This is abuse of game mechanics and will be punished as such.
• To speak to claims that @Drumroll and @Castana were using VoIP to speak out of character, we find these claims entirely unfounded.  Without the presentation of hard evidence that this was done, we cannot rule in favor of either side.

Evidence:

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10:53:05 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //ooc once you log you must stay 24hours and contact neo tomorrow and wait till him to get here due to being tied up and locked it??

10:55:04 | Chat("Ryan Dudley"): //for rp sake the rules state when you join tomrrow you have to be here waiting for him stilll tied up in rp

17 hours ago, Ophelia005 said:

It's all good I was fed misinformation and it was late at night I'll take whatever punishment given to me for the bad rp @Rover

 

Suggestions:
@Ophelia005, we suggest you give the rules page a fresh read, with a focus on the hostage taking rules found in section 4.  No where in our rules do we enforce gentlemen's agreements made for the furthering of roleplay and we expect you not to continue as if we do.  Additionally, if you are making such an agreement, leave it in OOC terms.  There is no excuse for taking advantage of game mechanics, base building, and nonexistent rules to force an agreement to work.  They should start and end with brief OOC chats, nothing more.

Verdict:
@Ophelia005 | BadRP & Abuse of Game Mechanics | GUILTY.  5 day ban, 10 warning points.  Character reset.
@Drumroll & @Castana | OOC in VoIP | Inconclusive.  No action taken.

Signed by @Peril & @Inferno