Sapphire Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Server and Location: Livonia, Section 20 Compound South of Zalesie Approximate time and date of the incident: Server time I'm not sure (2:30? PM) , date is 3/2/2020 Your name in game: Amber Main Name of Allies Involved: Myself Name of Suspects: Noah Russo, Riggs Fuller, and another 5.0.3 member whose name I'm not sure of Friendly/Enemy Vehicles: From my POV it looks like 503 captured a black olga. Additional Evidence: Detailed Description of Events: So IC my character Amber went to sleep in the Section 20 compound after a previous raid attempt on 503 (this will come up soon). Most of us at the compound are in a discord that acts as a radio channel for characters to communicate and for players to chat OOC. I see IC messages that the compound gets attacked, And realistically Amber would wake up hearing all the commotion. I wake up in the warehouse in this video, only to find out that 503 has basically secured the place and killed a lot of people. I instantly get initiated on (I didn't think I was going to be initiated on so quickly or I would've already had my software up). The accused talk to Amber and try to pry information out of her, and she, fearing for her life, complies and tells them everything she knows. This intel isn't anything new to them, so they get angry. This is about when I start recording, and the rest is history. As you can see in the video, they clearly just lined up and shot her when she was complying in every way possible. Their justification for this is their execution rights they believed they had on my character. I participated in the aforementioned raid on the prison (which is the reason they attack Section 20 in the first place). While I was there, I did not directly contribute to the death of any 503 member, therefore voiding their alleged execution rights. As seen in rule 4.6 shown below... Execution rights are gained when a hostage taken has directly participated in or was directly responsible for the death of an ally. Multiple people who were with me on the prison raid can attest to the fact that I never actually killed a 503 member. I got killed by one in said incident, and fired back because he rushed in and started shooting me (which is all well and good). But because I didnt actually go on a rampage and kill or wound any of their members ( I was on the gate sawing team) , there were no execution rights in this situation, which is why this is invalid. This judgement has been verified by an admin and if requested I will post proof of that, too. You might be wondering, why am I pointing this out? I do not want to partake in this because I want someone to get banned. I'm doing this because this left a horrible taste in my mouth. I got on to roleplay, and was originally excited to be in a hostage situation. The last time I was in one, I personally enjoyed it a lot. But this felt very wrong. I didn't pose a threat to them, I didn't directly not comply. And in response I got my roleplay cut off, and essentially ruined. Afterwards, we talked about this in helpdesk and I originally said that I wasn't going to do this. I've changed my mind because it still doesn't sit right with me, to let something like this go by without at least being revealed to the community. I don't do this out of malicious intent, I do this because like I learned in another report against myself, I feel that rulebreaks should have actual consequences so people can learn better. Link to comment
Titanium GG Boys Posted March 3, 2020 Titanium Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) So we talked this out in help desk in front of staff to which she said she wouldn't be reporting but I guess here we are. Noah POV: We are raiding Section 20 base when she logs into the base. We execute her with our execution rights that we had gained from the night prior. We used these execution rights because this was the 3rd time of her betraying the 503 and it felt appropriate to execute her. We gained these execution rights from her as she did indeed directly contribute to the death of a fellow 503 member. She Directly helped the people attacking us by helping them boost to get angles on the inside of the prison and I believe even shooting at myself during the encounter. She helped our enemies in many ways and helped them hold angles on the prison for 4 hours. I would say that she directly contributed to the deaths of fellow 503 members during the encounter. I would like to note I that I feel like I was black mailed into roleplaying with her as she said that the only way she wouldn't be reporting this is if we RP'd with her at the prison to which we did RP with her. Though I knew it was black mail at the time I figured it wouldn't do any harm to RP with someone who seemingly wanted to RP and I figured it would save the head ache of a report. I Feel as though this report went up because the RP you received because of you black mailing me into RPing with you did not go your way. You agreed that there would be no reports if you came to the prison and we RP'd with you and this can be confirmed by the staff from help desk. We RP with you and move on and then you throw up a report anyway... Like I said, I feel as though this may be a salt report because the RP you got didnt go your characters way since it resulted in your character being tortured. I Believe the staff members Present in Helpdesk were @Banshee and @Jade when she said I had to RP with her or she would report. --- Posts merged by Para --- 7 hours ago, Sapphire said: But because I didnt actually go on a rampage and kill or wound any of their members ( I was on the gate sawing team) , there were no execution rights in this situation, which is why this is invalid. Also I would like to say if this is true, Then that is one more gun outside shooting at us while you Hacksaw into our base. This is 100% participating in the entire thing as you directly are trying to break into our place and kill us. You hack sawing enables your allies to shoot at us while you hacksaw. You directly participated in this. Edited March 3, 2020 by Masonn Link to comment
Legend Para Posted March 3, 2020 Legend Share Posted March 3, 2020 @Masonn could you please, to the best of your ability, provide us with the dates you claim she was present for the attacks on your group? (Looking for all 3 ideally) Thanks in advance! Link to comment
Titanium GG Boys Posted March 3, 2020 Titanium Share Posted March 3, 2020 First one would have been a while ago and I honestly got no idea but maybe about a week ago second time would be on this day dealing with the same situation in this situation she was a “hostage” and she actively sold out info on the group and after they left topolin hospital she is the only one they took with then and she actively gave info to her “hostage takers” ( her What seems to be allies because they spared her life unlike the others and took her with them) she proceeds to give information out and call outs as we actually catch up with her and her “hostage takers” and kill them and she complies. then the third time being 2 days ago by her and allies failing to seige the base after 4 hours of me holding it. She self admitidly said she hack sawed in. She Also helped the others shoot at other 503 members myself included and she helped her allies boost to try and get angles on the prison Link to comment
Diamond Scarlett Posted March 3, 2020 Diamond Share Posted March 3, 2020 Connection Spoiler 02:08:30 | Player "Amber Main" is connected 02:18:58 | Player "Amber Main" has been disconnected - DEAD 01:26:05 | Player "Noah Russo" is connected 02:14:00 | Player "Noah Russo" has been disconnected 02:16:28 | Player "Noah Russo" is connected 03:57:38 | Player "Noah Russo" has been disconnected 01:50:17 | Player "Riggs Fuller" has been disconnected 01:50:23 | Player "Riggs Fuller" is connected 02:26:18 | Player "Riggs Fuller has been disconnected 02:26:39 | Player "Riggs Fuller" is connected 02:42:57 | Player "Riggs Fuller"has been disconnected 01:53:50 | Player "Vito Moltisanti" has been disconnected 01:53:57 | Player "Vito Moltisanti" is connected 02:13:49 | Player "Vito Moltisanti" has been disconnected 02:14:02 | Player "Vito Moltisanti" is connected 03:57:38 | Player "Vito Moltisanti" been disconnected Hit Logs/Restrain Spoiler 02:17:03 | Player "Amber Main" (pos=<565.1, 2747.1, 350.7>)[HP: 94.39] hit by M4A1 into LeftArm(32) for 17 damage (FirearmHit_Rifle_Buttstock) 02:18:07 | Player "Amber Main" (pos=<565.0, 2747.2, 350.7>)[HP: 96.2762] hit by M4A1 into Brain(37) for 0 damage (FirearmHit_Rifle_Buttstock) 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Head(0) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 4.66824 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Head(0) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 4.66896 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Brain(37) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 4.66896 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(25) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 4.67395 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(23) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 4.67395 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.1, 2746.7, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Head(0) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.73787 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.1, 2746.7, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(25) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.73787 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.1, 2746.5, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.89706 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into LeftLeg(9) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.60285 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (ipos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Torso(15) for 67.5591 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.60285 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into LeftLeg(10) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(7) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Spine(41) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Spine(40) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Lungs(48) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Heart(44) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Lungs(48) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 0.433071 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into RightArm(17) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into RightHand(47) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Torso(7) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:21 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Torso(14) for 33.7795 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(1) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (id=76561198813855096 pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (id=76561198996947781 pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into LeftArm(21) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into LeftArm(22) for 29.0157 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(25) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Liver(45) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Riggs Fuller" (pos=<569.2, 2750.6, 350.8>) into Torso(1) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 6.05635 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Liver(45) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(15) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Liver(45) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Spine(41) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(15) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(15) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(14) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into RightArm(17) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:22 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:23 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) into RightArm(17) for 55 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 5.41098 meters 02:18:23 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Torso(24) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:23 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Lungs(49) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters 02:18:23 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.0, 2746.3, 350.7>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vito Moltisanti" (pos=<568.0, 2751.1, 350.8>) into Heart(44) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 5.62562 meters Kill Logs Spoiler 02:18:20 | Player "Amber Main" (DEAD) (pos=<565.2, 2747.4, 350.7>) killed by Player "Noah Russo" (pos=<569.3, 2749.7, 350.8>) with M4A1 from 4.66824 meters Calling in the following people to give their detailed POV's and any evidence they may have @Sapphire - Amber Main – OP @Masonn - Noah Russo - POSTED @Atrix17 - Riggs Fuller - POSTED @CapitalistNick - Vito Moltisanti - POSTED Link to comment
Diamond Nick Posted March 3, 2020 Diamond Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) Vito Moltisanti POV: Amber was put on a list for execution since we found out in character that she was directly involved in a raid against our prison, where fellow 5.0.3 members died because of it. Also was involved in other betrayals against the 5.0.3 which @Masonn mentioned. So, the boys were raiding Section 20 and magically out of nowhere she woke up. So, we made sure to confirm her identity, once we did we talked to her for a few minutes and rped a little. Then we executed her for being involved in a direct attack on our group, which lead to members dying. Notes: Afterward, I believe @Masonn and @Atrix17 was called into staff desk to talk this out with her, for some reason I wasn’t . She agreed to not report only if we redid the RP with her which we spent a good half an hour doing with her. This is the definition of blackmail, which is the action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding payment or another benefit from someone (Demanding that the RP is redone to her liking) in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them (Her not reporting us).. I believe She posted this report because she was not happy with the outcome that she received from the hostage roleplay. I would like to point out that she was directly involved in the deaths of allies. Even if she is just “hacksawing” this means there is another person with a gun trying to kill us when you break into the base. That is 100% participation. Also, she even said it herself she shot at someone, doesn’t matter if she hit them or not, this is plain and simple participation in a raid that lead to multiple members being killed. Edited March 3, 2020 by CapitalistNick Link to comment
Titanium GG Boys Posted March 3, 2020 Titanium Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) Another thing to add onto this is the following as the staff team from help desk can confirm, she had said she wouldn’t report if rpd with her after this situation. I do not have video evidence myself of Us fulfilling our end of things (rping with her) but I have a 5 minute clip from a friend as proof that we with held our end of the deal which I will post here that video is just a small snippet of what we all did in fulfilling our end of the deal as we rpd for atleast half an hour with her (everything in the rest of this post will relate to the screenshot below) also, Since this report seems to be in a effort to get us banned but not the actual rule break itself I’ll adress this here, you say that I’m being reported because I’m known for “conning people out of reports” and try to paint yourself as a victim to this yourself even though all I said in help desk was “sorry if we did break a rule” and then also explained where I believe we have execution rights from aswell as tell you why we used them instead of furthering rp past that point (note we rpd with you while in a active gunfight for 6-7 minutes before executing you) these screen shots will show that this report is just a basis for you to try and get me and my friends banned after getting what you already wanted (more rp) I also wanted to adress these screen shots as you seem to no longer wish to talk via dms, you say I’m a master manipulator and paint me as a bad guy when In reality I’m a just looking to enjoy a video game with my friends. You say I conn people out of reports but I don’t see how that’s possible especially with this one where I joined help desk and said sorry if there was a potential rule break and agreed to your black mail to which we held up our end of the deal and you still decided to report this. I’m baffled how you could successfully black mail me and my friends into rping with you and then since the rp didn’t go the direction you wanted it to go you went back on it Edited March 3, 2020 by Masonn Spelling : sorry typing this on my phone Link to comment
Diamond ImAtrix Posted March 3, 2020 Diamond Share Posted March 3, 2020 Riggs Fuller POV: Riggs and the 5.0.3 were in the middle of raiding NATO's base. Suddenly I hear @Sapphire's voice. She ended up logging on in Section 20's base. Now, my immediate reaction is to execute. Why? Well because of the MULTIPLE times that she decided to rat on/betray the 5.0.3. Times of betrayal: 1) 1st time an ex-503 had her slave and she ran and sold out information multiple times. 2) After we took her in on Livonia and she sold us out to the Russians. 3) After she decided to raid/assist in raiding our base. Keep in mind, I didn't execute immediately, I decided to role play. Maybe get a little information. Then she told us no good information, information that was obvious. So we decided for 1) Raiding our base the night before 2) Ratting on the 5.0.3 3) Stating the obvious. That we would execute you. After the situation, myself and @Masonn were in discord Help Desk with @Banshee, @Jade, and @Sapphire. She wanted to role play the situation out which I was 100% okay with. Thinking back on it now though, I feel it was blackmail. If I get to role play the scenario out I won't throw up a report. Now, she obviously didn't say these exact words but I feel @Banshee and @Jade who were moderating the chat can say that she basically said as long as she gets the RP she wont report.https://imgur.com/a/vZ0gvZT Link to comment
Legend Rover Posted March 3, 2020 Legend Share Posted March 3, 2020 For the record, the phrase "or participated in the death of your ally" has been removed from the ruling, due to the way it can be misunderstood. However this report will be processed and handled as if that line was still within the rule. Link to comment
Legend Conor Posted March 3, 2020 Legend Share Posted March 3, 2020 @Masonn at 0:49 in the video provided by the OP, you say something along the lines of: "Can we shoot this stupid bitch? Who tried to fucking kill me the other day?" To which situation are you referring to from "the other day"? Link to comment
Titanium GG Boys Posted March 3, 2020 Titanium Share Posted March 3, 2020 At that point in time I was referring to when she came to prison and attempted to hack saw in and attempted to kill myself and other 503 members. Link to comment
Legend Hofer Posted March 8, 2020 Legend Share Posted March 8, 2020 Well. This will be off template in the beginning. We apologize for the time it has taken to come to a conclusion in this report, but this has been heavily discussed within the staff team before we could reach an agreement. One unfortunate factor mid report was that the change in the wording of the hostage rule (4.6). This should've happened after the report. But before we go onto the regular template here's the change and what this means from here on out. ORIGINAL Quote A character that is taken hostage may be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was personally responsible for, or participated in the death of your ally. ALTERED VERSION Quote A character that is taken hostage may be executed once for a hostile incident that happened in the past where the hostage was personally responsible for a death of your ally. This change, according to @Roland was made to clarify the original meaning of the rules. This means that the rule hasn't technically changed, but the re-wording has made it impossible to interpret the rule differently than it is supposed to be interpreted as. To execute someone the hostage needs to be personally responsible for the death of your ally. Meaning they had to fire the gun to kill them, or hit them. Assisting in breaching walls, calling out positions etc. does not count. This was the original intention, and will be the intention further on. Keep this in mind for future reports. VERDICT @Masonn - Invalid Kill/Rule play - NOT GUILTY @Masonn - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE @CapitalistNick - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE @CapitalistNick - Attempted Invalid Kill/Rule play - NOT GUILTY @Atrix17 - Attempted Invalid Kill/Rule play - NOT GUILTY @Atrix17 - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE @Atrix17 - Combat Logging - GUILTY @Sapphire - Blackmail - NOT GUILTY REASON INVALID KILL As stated in this reports prologue the rule was reworded. This means that the old wording made it open to interpretation as to what meant that someone was participating in the death of your ally. Due to this wording we have decided that you're all not guilty in this report. In a future report you would all be found guilty of Invalid kill/attempted invalid kill, so keep this in mind. You were lucky this time, and only after hours of discussion did the staff team reach an agreement on what to do with this case. BAD RP/RULE PLAY In the situation you decided to be quick about it once @Masonn arrived to the scene. What we are missing to judge this as bad roleplay or rule play in this particular case is a full video or POV of the 7-10 minutes of roleplay prior to the situation in OPs video. Due to this we've reached the conclusion to deem this as inconclusive. This point of the situation was also a major cause for discussion, as the execution of @Sapphire could be seen as rushed. However there's a couple factors that comes into play when we review this: You were in a hostile compound. You knew that you could be ambushed at any seconds. Time was of the essence. You verified her identity and knew who she was. According to the old rule wording you felt you had the right to execute her. You gave her some roleplay before doing it. It wasn't like she woke up and *bang* dead. However. There's a lot of things you could've done better, or differently. Here are some suggestions that we feel you could've taken into account and performed: Fake execution. Roleplay out that you're going to kill her with emotes. Emote that you're shooting her in the head (but missing) and shoot the wall behind her. This leaves her with an organic way of roleplaying out having injuries if you for example hit her in the shoulder instead. Taken her away from the compound, eliminating all factors of risk when it came to having her hostage in enemy territory. Continued the roleplay further and moving forward with the situation. This would've probably left @Sapphire with a better taste in her mouth as well. Taken her (permanently) hostage. Arranged OOCly that she is going to be your hostage for a while. If she agree to it, you could've used her as a bargaining chip towards the group on the opposing side. Extended the roleplay on the spot before executing her. We then move onto another factor that happened after the encounter. THE DISCORD TALK AND FOLLOWING ROLEPLAY After a lengthy Discord chat you all agreed to continue the roleplay further and acted this out in character. This is something we'd like to see more often, from everyone, and we are happy that you went to those lengths, but it was not out of the purity of your hearts, rather fear of getting reported. We'd like to see this happen for the right reasons in the future. BLACKMAILING After reviewing the Discord conversation between the two parties we see no grounds to punish or anything close to blackmailing in the discussion. There was a suggestion from @Sapphire that you could come and roleplay with her to rectify what has happened, but nothing else. @Masonn, @CapitalistNick, @Atrix17: Be careful when throwing those accusations out in public. In the future please refrain from this. If you feel like someone is blackmailing you do the following: Record/screenshot Talk to an Administrator either directly or through a Support Ticket This way it can be reviewed in peace and the evidence will be taken into account. COMBAT LOGGING This is the easiest one. @Atrix17 you logged before the 30 minute timer without asking @Sapphire permission to do so. The rule is black and white, and you can't do that. Because of this you will be punished accordingly. OUTCOME @Masonn - Invalid Kill/Rule play - NO PUNISHMENT @Masonn - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE, NO PUNISHMENT @CapitalistNick - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE, NO PUNISHMENT @CapitalistNick - Attempted Invalid Kill/Rule play - NO PUNISHMENT @Atrix17 - BadRP - INCONCLUSIVE, NO PUNISHMENT @Atrix17 - Attempted Invalid Kill/Rule play - NO PUNISHMENT @Atrix17 - Combat Logging - 3 DAY BAN, 10 WARNING POINTS, CHARACTER RESET @Sapphire - Blackmail - NO PUNISHMENT Signed @Hofer @Peril @Elmo @Inferno @Job Link to comment
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