Stuart Island

[cmohr]

Since it seems inevitable that Chernarus will now be replaced with Stuart Island I think there is a few questions that should be raised. How will this affect the lore and roleplay? The lore revolves around Chernarus and there are still plenty of people with characters and storylines there. If the server were to be taken down completely than the Chernarus population and I'm sure a good chunk of the Livonia population will be on Stuart Island. It just seems implausible to me that a server full of people just all randomly end up on the same tiny island that is an ocean away from Chernarus, unlike Livonia which is only a few days drive. Maybe a server event could be done to explain this mass migration? 

[sung]

Your Chernarus and Livonia characters wont be allowed as playable characters on Stuart Island as there is no RP explanation to have these character migrate internationall. This also isn't going to be possible.

You'll need to create a brand new character.

I think the lore page should be split up into three sections. Each section detailing what happened on each map.

[Banshee]

People will most likely have to create new characters to use on Stuart Island, as it wouldn't make sense for characters that are on Livonia or Chernarus to be on the other side of the world the next day. Lore wise we'll most likely have our talented lore-masters write some lore, or we'll use the one provided by the map creator himself.

[GaryCash]

30 minutes ago, Banshee said:

People will have to create new characters to use on Stuart Island, as it wouldn't make sense for characters that are on Livonia or Chernarus to be on the other side of the world the next day. Lore wise we'll most likely have our talented lore-masters write some lore, or we'll use the one provided by the map creator himself.

If we are going to set limitations at all I think it should be character cool downs, for example if your characters go from Livonia to Chernarus you cannot play them for 12 hours as they are traveling (cool down). Traveling to the United States Stuart island could have a 24 hours or 48 hour cool down; we shouldn’t limit people on which of their characters they can play, also certain characters could definitely find their way to different regions and continents though it would take time to do so

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2 hours ago, GaryCash said:

If we are going to set limitations at all I think it should be character cool downs, for example if your characters go from Livonia to Chernarus you cannot play them for 12 hours as they are traveling (cool down). Traveling to the United States Stuart island could have a 24 hours or 48 hour cool down; we shouldn’t limit people on which of their characters they can play, also certain characters could definitely find their way to different regions and continents though it would take time to do so

How will you roleplay travelling back and forth from Europe to America on the same character? And whats the reasoning for doing so?

Region locked characters should be enforced because its BadRP if it isn't.

[Guest]

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Edited April 19, 2020 by Guest

[Knight]

2 hours ago, William89 said:

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2nd   I think that this thread should only be discussed by the members of Redwood Radio, Cavaliers, and Ladbroke pub, who still play in Chernarus.

 

Altough some people have done thier best to keep the map alive, the community as a whole should decide on the matter of new playable maps.

as someone who also played on chernarus instead of Liv i say its time for a smaller map.

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, William89 said:

2nd   I think that this thread should only be discussed by the members of Redwood Radio, Cavaliers, and Ladbroke pub, who still play in Chernarus.

Redwood is currently having a great sense of  double apocalypse in the apocalypse, at least OOC wise. According to @Basko the one and only Depressed Cowboy, we are being force archived by this decision of changing the map. As we don't find it realistic to move the whole operation over to Livonia IC wise. So the longest standing from all the currently active groups will be gone with Chernarus.

As a personal note, I feel like it is really unfair that people who only play Livonia actively got to tell that the map we play on is now irrelevant, instead of helping us to make it  work again. As I see since the vote came online that it have put the people who still play Chernarus into a mood that they can't be bothered to log on anymore, because it will be all gone soon anyways.

[GaryCash]

On 2/26/2020 at 1:17 AM, George said:

How will you roleplay travelling back and forth from Europe to America on the same character? And whats the reasoning for doing so?

Region locked characters should be enforced because its BadRP if it isn't.

There is plenty of ways to get From one continent to the next; I think it was John Candy who was in the movie “Planes, Trains and Automobiles”

[Rover]

1 minute ago, GaryCash said:

There is plenty of ways to get From one continent to the next; I think it was John Candy who was in the movie “Planes, Trains and Automobiles”

It would be my stance no one should be doing this, and people should put the effort in to start fresh rather then try to shoehorn in transitions.

It was bad enough in Livonia when it seems the country is 95% populated with refugees from Chernarus.

[JJRambow]

I have been on the forums the best part of today and have been keeping an close eye on the POP for both Servers At the moment I can see 2 User Vs 24 Users. I think the Map Change couldn't come sooner. I would like to see what this new maps like and if there is any lore around it. 

[GaryCash]

20 minutes ago, Rover said:

It would be my stance no one should be doing this, and people should put the effort in to start fresh rather then try to shoehorn in transitions.

It was bad enough in Livonia when it seems the country is 95% populated with refugees from Chernarus.

I would agree that some characters make more sense then others, though to say it makes no sense for any character doesn’t make sense either; good story telling can always get you from point a to point b,

whether the points be physical or metaphorical

id be all for having it be a week cool down on the character if you move them between either Livonia or Chernarus to Stuart island — may make more sense, also makes the player think— do I really want to move my character?

[Rover]

Without loremaster approval, no one should be making the journey across the great big water.

It would require a working plane, or a working seaworthy vessel to make the journey, none of which anyone is going to find and get operating by themselves.

[AndreyQ]

Unless you are thrown over the ocean by Ivan Bernarus than you shouldn't be able to cross continents. Just my opinion.

[GaryCash]

10 minutes ago, Rover said:

Without loremaster approval, no one should be making the journey across the great big water.

It would require a working plane, or a working seaworthy vessel to make the journey, none of which anyone is going to find and get operating by themselves.

Yeah they might not find it; but they may already have access to it; again it depends on the character someone is talking about

 

Also for instance I haven’t played one of my American characters in two years about who was just a mere survivor; his stated goal was to get back to America; surely two years later by now he would have gotten close if he survived the journey

 

 

[DerrickStorm]

People wanna Lore wipe, fresh start, new things instead of stale old stuff, yet when an opportunity arises with a new server set far far away from Chernarus, questions about traveling appear...

I would say no to traveling, make a dedicated Lore for the island, let people enjoy freshness.

[GaryCash]

5 minutes ago, DerrickStorm said:

People wanna Lore wipe, fresh start, new things instead of stale old stuff, yet when an opportunity arises with a new server set far far away from Chernarus, questions about traveling appear...

I would say no to traveling, make a dedicated Lore for the island, let people enjoy freshness.

I personally have no real interest in a lore wipe right now; too much story building; though lore wipes are fun, doesn’t feel like a necessary thing to me personally at the moment

[Rover]

11 minutes ago, GaryCash said:

Yeah they might not find it; but they may already have access to it; again it depends on the character someone is talking about

Also for instance I haven’t played one of my American characters in two years about who was just a mere survivor; his stated goal was to get back to America; surely two years later by now he would have gotten close if he survived the journey

Once again, and I hope I don't need to keep repeating it, without lore master approval no one should be travelling across the ocean.

Its no different then claiming to have attack helicopters, tanks, rocket propelled grenades, a pet bear on a chain, nuclear weapons, or a dictatorship in your pocket. 

My character also has a goal to get back to Canada. It doesn't mean I expect him to find a way to do it, but three years into an apocalypse he has to live for something.

 

[GaryCash]

3 minutes ago, Rover said:

 

Its no different then claiming to have attack helicopters, tanks, rocket propelled grenades, a pet bear on a chain, nuclear weapons, or a dictatorship in your pocket. 

 

 

Any of these things would be epic RP so long as they aren’t power gamed on to people;

I can see we fundamentally disagree here though

i will never vote to limit players RP on the the servers

i think we should let creativity flourish rather than tell people what they can or can’t do with their characters

Edited February 27, 2020 by GaryCash

[Rover]

Just now, GaryCash said:

Any of these things would be epic RP so long as they aren’t power gamer on to people;

I can see we fundamentally disagree here though

i will never vote to limit players RP on the the servers

i think we should let creativity flourish rather than tell people what they can or can’t do with their characters

I would disagree with you based on past experience in this community and others.

What is 'reasonable' to one person, is another persons tin-can rocket fueled by red bull that flew him into low orbit and carried him across the ocean before depositing him into a marshmallow forest.

This is why we have Loremasters; To determine what things that can not be done within the games mechanics are reasonable and fit our lore. If someone is absolutely positively dead-set on dragging their Chernarussian/Livonian character across the ocean, then get in touch with the Loremaster team.

 

[GaryCash]

1 minute ago, Rover said:

I would disagree with you based on past experience in this community and others.

What is 'reasonable' to one person, is another persons tin-can rocket fueled by red bull that flew him into low orbit and carried him across the ocean before depositing him into a marshmallow forest.

This is why we have Loremasters; To determine what things that can not be done within the games mechanics are reasonable and fit our lore. If someone is absolutely positively dead-set on dragging their Chernarussian/Livonian character across the ocean, then get in touch with the Loremaster team.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Rover said:

 

Its no different then claiming to have attack helicopters, tanks, rocket propelled grenades, a pet bear on a chain, nuclear weapons, or a dictatorship in your pocket. 

 

 

The reason these are mentioned is because it’s a video game and we have limited game mechanics because of the fact that the game is totally under developed by Bohemia; if it was an actual reflection of virtual reality none of the things suggested here would seem far off At all; bar maybe the bear but honestly a group of survivors with a bear pit sounds awesome; almost enough that I want to do it ; almost

imagination is good though

 

side note it’s not like technology starts despawning after the apocalypse — it just doesn’t get used by most people and it gets abandoned — also a good opportunity for RP

[Rover]

Just now, GaryCash said:

 

The reason these are mentioned is because it’s a video game and we have limited game mechanics because of the fact that the game is totally under developed by Bohemia; if it was an actual reflection of virtual reality none of the things suggested here would seem far off At all; bar maybe the bear but honestly a group of survivors with a bear pit sounds awesome; almost enough that I want to do it ; almost

imagination is good though

 

side note it’s not like technology starts despawning after the apocalypse — it just doesn’t get used by most people and it gets abandoned — also a good opportunity for RP

 

 

Honestly Gary, what?

Of course it would be different if it was reality, or a virtual simulacrum of it. You also wouldn't have rules covering any forms of player interactions, a community built around desiring competent roleplay, or a set of staff members managing you. You'd just faff off and go do whatever you wanted to do in this reality to your hearts content.

 

That is not what we have, we have a world with our designed lore and a community built around it, the rules structure, and the mentality of enjoyable story-telling. Loremasters are there to build this world, and one of the things they have dominion over is when players start reaching/wanting/demanding things that are not provided by the game itself. 

Yes, I'm fully aware technology doesn't ''despawn". However technology abandoned goes bad without maintenence. Same reason you have to 'winterize' your lawn mower before storage for the winter, or your snowblower before storage for the summer. The gas inside can turn stale and you won't get it to start when you dust it off, even with a fresh tank cause the lines are plugged. 

As the years build up and the dust thickens, things go bad. The more advanced and complicated the technology, the harder it is to get it going again without specialized knowledge, tools, and equipment. I work with industrial equipment daily, its something I'm comfortable with, but I know full well that if the world ever fell apart I wouldn't be able to keep even a simple operation going for very long before something breaks down that requires a single small specialized part machined in china to get running again, and I'm SOL.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JJRambow said:

I have been on the forums the best part of today and have been keeping an close eye on the POP for both Servers At the moment I can see 2 User Vs 24 Users. I think the Map Change couldn't come sooner. I would like to see what this new maps like and if there is any lore around it. 

You are speaking a self-fulfilling cycle. As we pointed out before, the vote around the map change have made us feel like playing Chernarus now is  ultimately pointless as people decided over our head that we can't play that map. So people aren't bothered anymore to put too much effort into anything on Chernarus because it will be gone soon anyways. That is the result, not the reason by now.

[GaryCash]

18 minutes ago, Rover said:

 

 

Honestly Gary, what?

You'd just faff off and go do whatever you wanted to do in this reality to your hearts content.

 

 

I respect your opinions I just disagree, no disrespect is meant to be directed at you; I hope that’s not what I’m coming off as at all because if so it’s not intentional in the slightest

 

this is like a shitty virtual reality though so I think we should make due with what we have and do whatever makes for great RP, wild or tame, extravagant or simple, there is beauty in all forms of it; and a uncountable number of ways to play it and tell stories; the more unique the better in my opinion

 

*begins writing up lore for the bear on a chain community on the outskirts of Dolnik*

 

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by GaryCash

[RonnieLR]

Although I'm not a member of Corp I might suggest linking their group to the reason of Chernarus being unplayable. Whether you are a fan of the group or not - their lore has brought a LOT of attention to the community, maybe saying that their research went a tad overboard causing Chernarus to become the next Chernobyl?

That way for those Chernarus characters who can no longer play on the map have a reason to evacuate the country. Would be nice to see group lore be linked to proper core server lore once again. Its either that or Mammy Joyce arrived and everyone fled from her gypsy might.