S1- Nabor No Time to Comply/ Invalid Kill

[IrishRepublican]

Server and location:  S1 Nabor

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  UTC 2020-02-24 Between 0230-0400

Your in game name:  Cooper Banks

Names of allies involved: @Eciek

Name of suspect/s: Unknown

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any):   Green Humvee

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): None

Detailed description of the events:  Myself and @Eciek were trying to find a sparkplug in Nabor when we heard vehicles come into town.  We ran outside and headed for the town center near the water pumps to investigate.  At that said destination I noticed a green Humvee so we went on over and tried hopping on-top of a black Olga that was sitting there to escape the zombies chasing us.(The one we were trying to repair).  Then the Humvee abruptly reversed killing my companion @Eciek Killing him dead.  I accused said perpetrators of running my friend over in RP fashion and they denied it.  After a few minutes of bantering I noticed another car load of people come into town in a red VAZ.  Now their numbers were about 5-10 out numbering myself, now alone.  I did not like the situation that was coming about so I turned and left running off into a field being chased by the town's infected horde.  As I was running I heard one of them call out my location and where I was running.  I turned and shot my M4 into the zombie horde killing I believe two.  However many more were right behind them and then that's when I heard the man who had been following me yell hands up and initiated on myself as im getting beaten by zombies.  Then a second or two later I was shot dead while I was still trying to defend myself against the infected.  The person holding me up gave no value for my life and instead of killing the infected around me, then holding me up.  He shot me dead.

[Peril]

Connection Logs:

03:46:59 | Player "Cooper Banks" is connected
04:04:50 | Player "Cooper Banks" has been disconnected

03:48:16 | Player "Eciek Numenor" is connected
04:08:23 | Player "Eciek Numenor" has been disconnected

03:46:20 | Player "Kirby Hammer" is connected
04:30:28 | Player "Kirby Hammer" has been disconnected
04:39:10 | Player "Kirby Hammer" is connected

03:47:36 | Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" is connected

Hit Logs:

03:58:23 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CivilianSedan_Wine with TransportHit
03:58:31 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CrSk_HMMWV_PMC_Green with TransportHit
03:58:32 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CivilianSedan_Wine with TransportHit
03:58:33 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CrSk_HMMWV_PMC_Green with TransportHit


04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 8.12921 meters 
04:00:27 | Player "Kirby Hammer" hit by Player "Cooper Banks" with M4A1 from 13.2252 meters 
04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 7.51549 meters 
04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" with M4A1 from 12.8927 meters 
04:00:28 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" with M4A1 from 13.3722 meters 
04:00:28 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" with M4A1 from 13.5907 meters 
04:00:29 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" with M4A1 from 13.7861 meters 

Kill Logs:

04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" (DEAD) killed by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 7.51549 meters 

Calling in:
@IrishRepublican | Cooper Banks | OP
@Eciek | Eciek Numenor | POSTED
@GMAK | Pyotr Bakalaka | POSTED
@God | Kirby Hammer | POSTED

For their full and detailed POVs, as well as any unedited video evidence they may have.

[God]

Pov- An pobal were traveling around and we find ourselves in nabor, we come along two guys @IrishRepublican and @Eciek getting chased by infected.

@Eciek dies to being pingpong'd by his car and ours then dies to infected as such. 

@IrishRepublican then just sprints off without saying a word and says "stop following me". I then initiate on him and he turns around and starts shooting.

as seen here in logs myself and @GMAK react with swift pvp movement trick and fire back within miliseconds 

1 hour ago, Peril said:

04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 8.12921 meters 04:00:27 | Player "Kirby Hammer" hit by Player "Cooper Banks" with M4A1 from 13.2252 meters 04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 7.51549 meters 04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Kirby Hammer" with M4A1 from 12.8927 meters

TL:DR-he turned around and went non com

Edited February 24, 2020 by God

[Eciek]

POV-On a scavenging run to procure materials for our unit my friend @IrishRepublican and I found ourselves into some car trouble and were forced to make a pit stop in Nadbor to procure a new spark plug. Doing said mission we found ourselves  trapped inside a house in Nadbor surrounded by infected,  suddenly i hear a vehicle and i run towards the town center yelling for help. @IrishRepublican successfully lifts himself on-top of the Olga however as i am in the process of doing it. Instead of being assisted i find myself being rammed into the car my friend and I were trying to repair and i find myself suddenly met with the screen "You are Dead" .  

[GMAK]

Pytor Bakalaka POV: An pobal and I are driving around when we see some people fixing a car, I was a bit behind so I didn't see how the first guy (@Eciek) died but as I arrive I see the second man (@IrishRepublican) running. I exit my vehicle and give chase, the man attracts a few zombies while running but its nothing we couldn't handle. After following him for a short distance me and Kirby initiate on him and tell him to stop and drop his weapons or he will be shot, instead of following our demands he turns 180° and begins shooting, because of this we shoot and kill him.

The zombies chasing him were no threat to his life, as he said in his own POV we were about 5-10 people and we handled them easily after he was killed. If he complied with our demands and not turned and shot at a group of 10 people he wouldn't of been shot and we could of had some roleplay.

[IrishRepublican]

5 hours ago, GMAK said:

Pytor Bakalaka POV: An pobal and I are driving around when we see some people fixing a car, I was a bit behind so I didn't see how the first guy (@Eciek) died but as I arrive I see the second man (@IrishRepublican) running. I exit my vehicle and give chase, the man attracts a few zombies while running but its nothing we couldn't handle. After following him for a short distance me and Kirby initiate on him and tell him to stop and drop his weapons or he will be shot, instead of following our demands he turns 180° and begins shooting, because of this we shoot and kill him.

The zombies chasing him were no threat to his life, as he said in his own POV we were about 5-10 people and we handled them easily after he was killed. If he complied with our demands and not turned and shot at a group of 10 people he wouldn't of been shot and we could of had some roleplay.

There was 5-10 people at the car... however only one of you gave chase. And shot me as I was being hit by zombies.  Like I said earlier you gave no value for my life and should of killed the zombies instead of shooting me while I was defending myself from the infected.

 

20 hours ago, God said:

Pov- An pobal were traveling around and we find ourselves in nabor, we come along two guys @IrishRepublican and @Eciek getting chased by infected.

@Eciek dies to being pingpong'd by his car and ours then dies to infected as such. 

@IrishRepublican then just sprints off without saying a word and says "stop following me". I then initiate on him and he turns around and starts shooting.

as seen here in logs myself and @GMAK react with swift pvp movement trick and fire back within miliseconds 

TL:DR-he turned around and went non com

"Swift PVP" over helping your hostage. 

2.3 Be a good sport. Do not focus on PvP aspect of the game and attack everything that moves just because you can or are good at it.

4.6 If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action and then take him into your custody, he is now considered your hostage. You must do everything in your power to keep your hostages alive and in a relatively good health. That includes protecting them from external threats like zombies and leaving them with a realistic chance of survival when they are released.

[God]

1. You weren't a hostage... At all i dont think you understand that turning and firing at people aiming guns at you is non compliance 

   3 minutes ago, IrishRepublican said:

   4.6 If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action and then take him into your custody, he is now considered your hostage. You must do everything in your power to keep your hostages alive and in a relatively good health. That includes protecting them from external threats like zombies and leaving them with a realistic chance of survival when they are released.

    if you were a hostage then how did you shoot at me... what and if you want to call me out on how i word my pov's then dm it to me.. other than that don't start claiming false things like being a hostage

[IrishRepublican]

Really man?  I'm being swarmed by a horde of zombies and you choose to hold me up.  RP first instead of PvP, if you want to do that go on a different server.

10 minutes ago, God said:

1. You weren't a hostage... At all i dont think you understand that turning and firing at people aiming guns at you is non compliance   if you were a hostage then how did you shoot at me... what and if you want to call me out on how i word my pov's then dm it to me.. other than that don't start claiming false things like being a hostage

I was in your custody when you held me up as I was being attacked.  Thats on you, kill the zombies with your swift PvP action instead of shooting a man being attacked by the infected and expect him to comply and get killed. 

04:00:27 | Player "Cooper Banks" hit by Player "Pyotr Bakalaka" with IZH-43 from 8.12921 meters

This guy shoots me with a shotgun as I was getting hit giving no hesitation to my current situation. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by IrishRepublican
Added getting shot by Pyotr

[God]

22 hours ago, IrishRepublican said:

However many more were right behind them and then that's when I heard the man who had been following me yell hands up and initiated on myself as im getting beaten by zombies. 

You state in your own POV you were told to put your hands up. If you do not put your hands up this is non-compliance and gives me the right to kill you, especially when you raise a gun at me. The rule clearly says "If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action"

You were initiated on and told to put them hand up. You did not do that so it is impossible to consider you successfully captured if you do not comply. If RP was your focus why did you run away, why did you not comply? You do know that being hostile and taking people hostage is a part of RP and can really stir up some great storylines especially between groups like ours. If you had simply put your hands up we would have killed the zombie and then RP'd with you. If you are being attacked by a zombie and told to put your hand up then put them up then and only then does it become my responsibility to protect you not before.

22 hours ago, Peril said:

04:00:27 | Player "Kirby Hammer" hit by Player "Cooper Banks" with M4A1 from 13.2252 meters

I would like to push for a false report. In his own POV he admits he was initiated, here you are seen shooting me. You didn't have enough time to comply but you managed to have enough time to spin and shoot me this makes no sense.

Clearly you had time to comply and chose not to making you accusations of no time to comply a complete lie and this a false report.

[IrishRepublican]

9 minutes ago, God said:

You state in your own POV you were told to put your hands up. If you do not put your hands up this is non-compliance and gives me the right to kill you, especially when you raise a gun at me. The rule clearly says "If you successfully capture a player through a hostile action"

You were initiated on and told to put them hand up. You did not do that so it is impossible to consider you successfully captured if you do not comply. If RP was your focus why did you run away, why did you not comply? You do know that being hostile and taking people hostage is a part of RP and can really stir up some great storylines especially between groups like ours. If you had simply put your hands up we would have killed the zombie and then RP'd with you. If you are being attacked by a zombie and told to put your hand up then put them up then and only then does it become my responsibility to protect you not before.

I would like to push for a false report. In his own POV he admits he was initiated, here you are seen shooting me. You didn't have enough time to comply but you managed to have enough time to spin and shoot me this makes no sense.

Clearly you had time to comply and chose not to making you accusations of no time to comply a complete lie and this a false report.

Brother, its not a false report.  You guys ran over my friend which is VDM.  Then saw my shiny M4 and decided to rob me as I was being attacked by zombies.  I'd also like to mention that I was shooting at the zombie horde in front of me which I must have must have clipped one of yall by accident from a stray round as I was being hit. I was not intentionally aiming at you or any of you.  I was defending myself against zombies  Should of waited until after it was dealt with.  Im gonna leave that here.  We'll let the staff handle it from here man.

Edited February 25, 2020 by IrishRepublican

[Eciek]

I would just like to reiterate that I was rammed with no intiation, just cause or anything like that. I asked for help from the individuals in the HMMV, they sarcastically replied along the lines of "we are trying to help" or something to that effect. Immediately after that response as I am trying to get on top of the Olga that my friend and I were trying to repair to escape the horde of infected they reverse into me pinning me against the Olga causing me to ping pong between the two vehicles, not sure if I died due to a zombie hitting me while I was pinned or due to them pinning me into the other car causing me to bounce back and forth between the two vehicles. Additionally, IrishRepublican / Banks told me after he had been killed by them that directly following my death they all jumped out of the vehicle and began looting my body with little to no roleplay involved. I would like to know if I need to know if I should start a separate report for this situation as I feel as though I was invalidly killed as well.

 

 

Also... "Swift PvP action" ... C'mon bro this a roleplaying server.

Edited February 25, 2020 by Eciek

[Para]

@God, @GMAK

Which one of you was driving the car?

[God]

@Para it was @HDragon, i would like to also see what actually killed @Eciek, saying that we just ran him over deliberately is absurd, and i think you already talked out that situation with @HDragon didn't you? You can see in the logs he switches back and forth from our Humvee and his car, He then gets hit by a infected and dies. It was a accident and to say otherwise is frankly false. 

On 2/24/2020 at 12:02 AM, Peril said:

03:58:23 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CivilianSedan_Wine with TransportHit 03:58:31 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CrSk_HMMWV_PMC_Green with TransportHit 03:58:32 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CivilianSedan_Wine with TransportHit 03:58:33 | Player "Eciek Numenor" hit by CrSk_HMMWV_PMC_Green with TransportHit

 

[Eciek]

Regardless of it was a zombie that killed me I was unable to reach safety because you lot had backed into me which 100% looked intentional from my POV, then with literally no remorse for backing into me and either killing me or causing my death due to being unable to reach safety or defend myself your group immediately jumps out and begins looting my corpse and chasing down my partner who is still running and trying to deal with zombies. It just reeks of VDM, gear RP, and an all around awful experience in general. I understand robberies happen, that's not what bothers me, if you had waited till it was safe for us to rob us and RP with us we'd get it, we would have enjoyed it because that's the nature of the best in this game. It's your unapologetic attitude, your emphasis on PvP, and in general inability to understand even the most basic concept of fair play that has caused me to bring this up instead of squashing it like I was planning on after speaking with VinegarStrokes my senior in Section: 20 and HDragon very briefly. I really don't like the idea of submitting reports and would rather handle things at the lowest level, but judging from your response I don't think think that it is in the best interest as I feel as though your group will continue to act this way and place an emphasis on PvP in general actively refuse to engage in fair play. I'm going to stop with the back and forth because I feel as though it will add nothing, I'm simply pointing out that this wasn't some sort of freak accident, because immediately afterwards they vultured my body and chased my friend down as he was attempting to gun zombies down while they encroached him and shouted at him. I would simply like to know if I should submit my own separate report for the events that lead to my death.

 

Also, i never tried to enter the car, i tried to climb on top of it so please don't sit here and lie.

 

I will respond when/if the admins call for me too.

[Para]

Calling in @HDragon for his full and detailed POV. If you happen to have any video evidence, please also provide it.

And @Eciek if the OP and yourself wish to keep this report open there is no need to make a separate report for the same situation. The two would likely be merged anyway. 

 

[HDragon]

Side note... I've already been reported by @Eciek for this situation in which he dropped. I'd like to see the logs to where he obviously died to a zombie.

POV: I am in Nadbor with the boys and we come across some guys who are fixing up a Olga. This dude is getting slapped by zombies so instead of getting out and shooting the zombies I back up to run them over. At the same time he is trying to vault on top of the Olga which he fails causing him to fall back into the HUMVEE, this does not kill though he only gets injured. I see that he gets hit by the car so I pull the car forward and to the right which should give him enough clearance to not take anymore damage. This doesn't work since he decided to walk into the direction that I moved which causes him to take even more damage. I then pull the car way where he then says "God damn Im about to die" then gets slapped by a zombie and he dies.

[Roland]

Based on the PoVs and lack of video evidence we're gonna close this as inconclusive.

@IrishRepublican considering you turned around and fired in the direction of people initiating on you, you can't blame them for mistaking that as non-compliance and threat. If you want to comply it's best to just listen to the instructions given and let the people initiating take care of other threats, as it becomes their responsibility the second they initiate.

@Eciek Considering you died from a moving vehicle that was't travelling at speed, there's little proof to back up the claim that it was done intentionally. These accidents happen quite often.

@GMAK @God It's probably best for the future to wait with the initiation until zombie threat has been handled, otherwise it creates additional distraction and thing to handle for victims under pressure. Also, the report does have some validity to it and there's no indication of it being done with ill intent, so your claim of false report won't apply.

No action taken

Solved with @Aiko @Elmo, @Inferno