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KOS in Gliniska


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Server and location: S2 Gliniska

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME):  2020-02-18, 03:05

Your in game name: Lee Harden

Names of allies involved: Ben Hanson,  Brian "Ace" Peterson

Name of suspect/s: Unknown 

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): green ada, Black Hmmwv 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: Driving through Gliniska with Ben and Ace minding our own business when we come across some gunshots. we continue driving our green ada down the road when we see mass amounts of infected attack people and a parked black Hmmwv parked in the middle of the road. we jump out and Ace and Ben climb atop a car and begin shooting the infected to help the people in need being chased by at least 20 infected. I jump atop the green ada and begin shooting infected. After a few infected dead, i hear a shot to my left and turn and someone shoots myself in the head and kills me, about 100 meters away maybe? with no words said at all. As soon as it happens i tell Ace and Ben ive been kos'd and then i hear Ben say he's also been KOS'd. Once again, there was no initiation and all we did was stop to help. Unfortunately  i have no recording of this event. 

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Connection Logs:

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02:51:19 | Player "Lee Harden" is connected
03:16:21 | Player "Lee Harden" has been disconnected

02:52:00 | Player "Brian Peterson" is connected
03:47:35 | Player "Brian Peterson" has been disconnected

02:52:00 | Player "Ben Hansen" is connected
03:09:11 | Player "Ben Hansen" has been disconnected

02:53:18 | Player "Kato Rito" is connected
03:12:16 | Player "Kato Rito" has been disconnected
03:19:20 | Player "Kato Rito" is connected
03:37:46 | Player "Kato Rito" has been disconnected

02:56:10 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" is connected
04:31:17 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" has been disconnected

02:54:14 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" is connected
03:02:51 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" has been disconnected

02:53:23 | Player "James McCoy" is connected
03:11:37 | Player "James McCoy" has been disconnected

02:54:16 | Player "Matthew Cade" is connected
03:02:47 | Player "Matthew Cade" has been disconnected

02:53:54 | Player "Roy Davis" is connected
03:07:16 | Player "Roy Davis" has been disconnected

Hit Logs:

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03:01:02 | Player "James McCoy" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 30.7265 meters 
03:01:03 | Player "James McCoy" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 31.5917 meters 
03:01:03 | Player "James McCoy" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 31.6313 meters 
03:01:03 | Player "James McCoy" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 30.9214 meters 
03:01:04 | Player "James McCoy" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 28.9911 meters

03:01:02 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" hit by Player "James McCoy" with AKM from 27.7599 meters 
03:01:03 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" hit by Player "James McCoy" with AKM from 32.9372 meters 
03:01:51 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 7.71385 meters 

03:02:37 | Player "Matthew Cade" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 54.836 meters 

03:02:39 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 106.643 meters
03:08:31 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 56.495 meters 
03:08:31 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 56.5184 meters 
03:08:34 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 50.097 meters 
03:08:35 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 50.1727 meters 
03:08:36 | Player "Kato Rito" hit by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 51.1596 meters 

03:03:40 | Player "Lee Harden" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 66.0891 meters

03:06:48 | Player "Ben Hansen" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 35.0583 meters 
03:06:48 | Player "Ben Hansen" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 35.0583 meters 

03:07:10 | Player "Roy Davis" hit by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 59.5036 meters 

Kill Logs:

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03:01:04 | Player "James McCoy" (DEAD) killed by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 28.9911 meters

03:01:51 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 7.71385 meters

03:02:37 | Player "Matthew Cade" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 54.836 meters  

03:03:40 | Player "Lee Harden" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 66.0891 meters 

03:06:48 | Player "Ben Hansen" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 35.0583 meters 

03:07:10 | Player "Roy Davis" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 59.5036 meters 

03:08:35 | Player "Kato Rito" (DEAD) killed by Player "Martin Bjornstad" with M4A1 from 50.1727 meters

Position Logs:

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02:48:12 | Player "Lee Harden" (pos=<6398.8, 8452.5, 214.4>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Lee Harden" (pos=<6455.2, 9302.1, 200.3>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Lee Harden" (pos=<6249.2, 10965.6, 173.5>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Lee Harden" (pos=<1765.0, 7828.7, 176.5>) 

02:48:12 | Player "Brian Peterson" (pos=<6398.1, 8451.9, 214.4>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Brian Peterson" (pos=<6536.3, 9233, 202.9>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Brian Peterson" (pos=<6250.1, 10966.4, 173.5>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Brian Peterson" (pos=<4993.2, 9958.0, 192.4>) 


02:48:12 | Player "Ben Hansen" (pos=<6398.5, 8451.4, 214.4>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Ben Hansen" (pos=<6502.6, 9060.0, 204.8>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Ben Hansen" (pos=<6249.2, 10966.4, 173.5>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Ben Hansen" (pos=<4994.8, 9959.0, 192.4>) 
04:11:19 | Player "Ben Hansen" (pos=<8225.7, 11741, 174.9>) 

02:48:12 | Player "Kato Rito" (pos=<4419.8, 9082.3, 193.8>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Kato Rito" (pos=<4863.4, 9720.1, 195.8>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Kato Rito" (pos=<4986.5, 9970.7, 192.7>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Kato Rito" (pos=<5082.7, 9939.3, 192.2>) 

02:43:12 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" (pos=<5544.8, 8715.9, 307.0>) 
02:48:12 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" (pos=<5491.7, 8727.7, 308.7>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" (pos=<4975.8, 9911.6, 193.3>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Martin Bjornstad" (pos=<5054.4, 10042.5, 190.4>) 

02:48:12 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" (pos=<5490.6, 8728.2, 308.7>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" (pos=<5385.3, 9095.9, 194.0>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" (pos=<5008.3, 9924.6, 192.3>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Ramon Pushkin" (pos=<3734.3, 9010.4, 172.7>) 

02:48:12 | Player "James McCoy" (pos=<5001.7, 9945.5, 192.3>) 
02:56:20 | Player "James McCoy" (pos=<4963.4, 9954.3, 197.4>) 
03:11:20 | Player "James McCoy" (pos=<4049.6, 8060.3, 206.4>) 

02:48:12 | Player "Matthew Cade" (pos=<3782.6, 8806.2, 188.3>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Matthew Cade" (pos=<4133.4, 8993.0, 176.0>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Matthew Cade" (pos=<4953.4, 9908.2, 193.5>) 

02:48:12 | Player "Roy Davis" (pos=<6040.2, 7720.3, 254.2>) 
02:56:20 | Player "Roy Davis" (pos=<5905.4, 8204.7, 242.5>) 
03:01:20 | Player "Roy Davis" (pos=<5098.1, 9745.4, 181.8>) 
03:06:20 | Player "Roy Davis" (pos=<4939.3, 9985.7, 196.4>)

Calling in the following for their full POVs and any additional unedited evidence they may have

@crashport - Lee Harden - OP Posted

@TearsFallSilent - Brian Peterson - Posted

@TegsBenedict - Ben Hansen - Posted

@Dongle - Kato Rito - Posted

@Eagle - Ramon Pushkin -  Posted

@JamesRP - James McCoy -  Posted

@MaybeleleLR - Martin Bjornstad -  Posted

@Cow - Matthew Cade -  Posted

@Mystery - Roy Davis -  Posted

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I was walking from Topolin to Sitnik after loggining in. On my way there I saw a HUMVEE that matched the description of a HUMVEE my group owned about a week ago. I radioed to my boys JamesRP and HDragon that the HUMVEE was heading their way. They proceed to set up a roadblock in Glinska. When the HUMVEE comes to a stop at their improvised roadblock the homies initate. This is when 3 of them no comply after one of their boys is tied up. HDragon gets shreded by a saiga as JamesRP cleans up the mess. I arrive not long after and help out James with the hostage. At this point JamesRP goes outside and gets gunned down. I run outside and with a swift movement trick gun down 3 of the counter-attackers. After tryting to secure the area I hear more gunfire and there is a whle bunch of infected. I see more guys in the area who had weapons out either aiming or shooting in my general direction so I oblidge them with a few rounds of my .308. After some more running around I sadly get gunned down from the only point these guys could get me from which would be from behind.

I would like to add on that I did speak to the OP on discord about this whole situation. But, as we can see the report is still up and nothing came of it. Finally I'd like to add is that I believe the OP had NVFL.

He ran into an area that was riddled with dead bodies, gear on the ground, and shots were flying around. If he had used a small bit of enviormental awareness that his PMC character should have I think he would have relized that he was around an active fight and should have left.

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Me and the guys are driving through Gliniska in our green ada. We hear gunshots directly in front of us, literally directly in front of us so there is no where else to go. When we pull up to the piano house there are lots of dead zombie bodies a person running front a giant horde, there may have been a fire fight, but it didn't appear to be active as we pulled up. I saw 2 dead player bodies, but they seemed to have been from the massive horde. We me and ace get out and jump on top of a car in front of us and start shooting zombies. I yell in game voice to "make sure your shooting zombies and not people". The horde is eliminates and the gunfire stops. I run into the house and shout "are you okay, do you need help?" a guy yells out to me. I enter the house and find a man tied up. He tells me his name, which I forget, and that some people just tried to rob him for the hmmwv. I tell him to go into the back office and struggle free and I will cover the stairs for more zombies. I go back outside and its clear, shots have ceased for some time. Lee is dead at this point but I don't know this become my comms are muted. I check a body by the hmmwv because it appears to be wearing 503 gear. As I look at the corpse I'm shot dead. Ace standing next to me sees this and jumps in the hmmwv and runs. 

I would like to add that I also posted about this incident and @Dongle reached out to me about it. He explained that a firefight had happened and he was the last alive, so thats why he shot at us. This seems to counter his arguement about NVFL, seeing as he specifically told me he shot us because he was the only one alive. I requested to close my report based on that information.

I would also like to add that what is more concerning to me is the fact that at the end of my discord call with @Dongle he said. "Thanks for working this out with me, I hope you guys didnt lose too much" and I responded, "We'll be alright, in fact I think my boy got out with the hmmwv." Ten minutes after this call ended @Dongleshows up at our base with several others and ask to be let in. First thing they say is "Oh look you found our hmmwv we lost a week ago." and make up some RP about a mark they put on the bottom. We play along, because we are trying to keep good relations IC, and it is what it is. But honestly, the whole situation is very suspect. We were trying to talk out a report OOC and suddenly they show up to find a vehicle I mentioned OOC. 

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I know I’m gonna get called in anyway so.

Me and HDragon are on our way to pick up  dongle when dongle radios in that he found our Hummer and it’s headed our way, we set up a road block and initiate on them. 1 man complied and hopped out the vehicle and tied himself up. As HDragon was dealing with one of the hostages, he decides to get out of the hummer and swiftly 1 tap HDragon with a saiga. I run around to the car and let my bullets free from the barrel, ultimately killing him. His friend decided to hop out of the hummer thinking he had the ability to kill me but he met his maker. Finally the last guy hopped out but I was already there waiting and I frazzled the man. I then took the hostage inside a building where I waited for dongle. When dongle arrived I went outside and got sprayed down from out of no where. The End

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Sorry this is 5 hours late, POV: @TegsBenedict @crashport, and myself drove into town in a green ada 4x4, as soon as we drove into town we hears shots and saw a horde of zombies running down the road. We proceeded to get out of the car and help shoot the zombies. All 3 of us made ourselves known by yelling asking if everything is okay as we killed the zombies. @TegsBenedict ran into a piano house after we showed up because we heard someone calling for help, after he made it in I ran into the house as well to assist in killing the zombies in the house. The person in question who was calling for help was restrained and said AN POBAL was robbing him for a HMMWV. I consulted with @TegsBenedict about clearing the remaining zombies around the building, so I ran outside killed some zombies entering into and around the piano house. After my clear I heard a singular gunshot and saw @crashport drop for on top of a car and he was dead, with no warning. After that I continued to kill zombies and make sure the area was clear I heard another two gunshots and saw @TegsBenedict drop dead with no warning. At that point I was the only person left our ada was exposed so I jumped into the HMMWV, and immediately ran from the town  and drove away. I'm also going to wish to add metagaming to this report because after I just woke up and was speaking with @TegsBenedict and he mentioned to me that after I had logged off and gone to bed AN POBAL came to our base and used OOC information to say that we had their HMMWV which they would not have known IC because we did not saw who we were at this "fight" we only made ourselves known to kill zombies and help others out in need. I'd also like to add that when we came into the town this did not seem like an active firefight because the gunshots were very few and far between, and the bodies we did see were surrounded by zombies so we figured that the horde had killed them.

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Logs updated to include those that were fighting before OP and his friends arrived.

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Went to Glinska to help a friend with a fight, go up to the humvee and distract the enemy I initiate he gets shot I run towards the piano thinking he's with the hostage get peeked and die.

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I'm in Nidek when I hear over the radio that one of our dynamic members is in trouble in Gliniska. I quickly run from Nidek to the prison and then down to Gliniska. When I entered town @Eagle was already dead and @Cow died shortly after. So only me and @MaybeleleLR are left,  I run into a shed near the piano building were our Dynamic was and bandaged op after being hit by zombies. After being in the shed for a minute or two, I hear the dynamic talking to some people, the dynamic says that he was taken hostage and a firefight broke out, the people he talked to wasn't within VOIP range. I decide to put my gun on my back and throw my 5.0.3 armband away, in case I get taken hostage, I walk through the Piano building and out the front to spot these people who were talking to our dynamic. I saw one person running away and ask ''What is going on here'' and gets instantly shot in the head by @Dongle.

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Martin POV: Got IC information that friendly's were in a gunfight in Gliniska, so me @Eagle, @Cow and @Mystery ran down to help out. At Gliniska @Eagle initiated on the people behind the hummer, they didn't comply so i started shooting. Shortly after @Eagle dies and later @Cow. Time goes by and i'm running around town to find more hostiles. After hearing on the radio that there are new people coming into town, i went to look and there are people standing on top of the hummer. I didn't shoot at them because i didn't know if they were randoms or hostiles. I then run back around and kill @Dongle. I then find the hostage and start looking for the HUMVEE, but someone stole it. I then take the hostage in a car and drive away.

For the love of god if you hear a gunfight happening, don't go there and expect to not be shot at. In a real life situation would you run towards gunshots? No. SO whoever is trying to get some easy gear and got shot. Too bad. Personaly i would consider going into a gunfight you are not apart of NVFL

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erm yes, hello.

i was shot shortly after the second group pulled up so i don't know anything that went on with umbra other than other than that.

sorry.

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 “As soon as it happens i tell Ace and Ben ive been kos'd and then i hear Ben say he's also been KOS'd.”

 

Here you are admitting to metagaming in the middle of a firefight. As well as you state Ben did it as well. Is this a common thing you do in a fire fight?

 

3.5 Metagaming is transferring information between Out of Character (OOC) and In Character (IC), despite there being no realistic way of characters or players gaining this information. This includes, but is not limited to:

Sharing or gaining information through OOC communications when not permitted as per rule 3.6 below (aka being dead)

 

“We hear gunshots directly in front of us, literally directly in front of us so there is no where else to go.” “but it didn't appear to be active as we pulled up.”

 

These two statements seem to contradict each other. Which was it the shots were right in front of you and you had no choice but to stop the car and “help”, or was nothing going on? Either way no one was forcing you to stop, you could have turned around or drove right past. You act like this was forced upon you but it wasn’t. You drove to the shots you heard and you stopped. You knew there were people shooting. It is not often that several geared players go down to zombies. There were a lot of red flags that make it quite obvious that there was a firefight going on. You ignored those and did not act in a way that values the life of your character.  Your rule armor doesn’t work here lads.

 

“I saw 2 dead player bodies, but they seemed to have been from the massive horde.” 

 

Again how often do you come across multiple geared and well armed players killed by infected? If it was one body I could understand. It wasn’t though it was two really close together after a bunch of gun fire and you spotted others running around.

 

“He explained that a firefight had happened and he was the last alive, so thats why he shot at us. This seems to counter his arguement about NVFL, seeing as he specifically told me he shot us because he was the only one alive.”

 

I was the last one alive yes, that however does not make it ok for you to run into a firefight. The NVFL does not come for numbers but rather no one valuing their life runs towards a massive amount of gunfire.

 

3.2 Your character must behave realistically and appropriately to the different situations you participate in, keeping the current world situation and context of post-apocalyptic world in mind. Do not act in a way that indicates no value for your characters life and survival. For example, attempting to kill people when heavily outnumbered, excessively talking back or insulting someone when taken hostage, or knowingly running into an area of active hostile engagement when not involved in the fight. Characters found guilty of breaking this rule will be permanently marked as dead.

 

"I would like to add that I also posted about this incident and @Dongle reached out to me about it. He explained that a firefight had happened and he was the last alive, so thats why he shot at us. This seems to counter his arguement about NVFL, seeing as he specifically told me he shot us because he was the only one alive. I requested to close my report based on that information."

 

First, off it takes a lot longer than 10 minutes to run clear across the map that would be quite ridiculous. Second, I believe you know that we have come to your base at least once a day since friday. Furthermore, we had already been there once that day. So this is just completely wrong. If staff want to pull logs to verify I was around the soup kitchen in sitnik looking for vito’s killer.

 

“ After my clear I heard a singular gunshot and saw @crashport drop for on top of a car and he was dead, with no warning. After that I continued to kill zombies and make sure the area was clear I heard another two gunshots and saw @TegsBenedict drop dead with no warning.”

 

So one of your guys gets shot. Rather than taking cover, or leaving you continue to stay and kill zombies. I feel like you guys were after the loot of the gun fight @TegsBenedictwas even looting a body when I killed him. 

 

“I'd also like to add that when we came into the town this did not seem like an active firefight because the gunshots were very few and far between, and the bodies we did see were surrounded by zombies so we figured that the horde had killed them.”

 

Four people were shooting at each other right before you rolled up. You heard the shots and continued to go to them, you saw dead people and stopped to kill zombies, you found a hostage and stayed, one of your guys got killed. After all that you loot bodies? Seems like you were trying to get the gear.

 

All in all it seems quite ridiculous you hear a bunch of shots continue to them seeing people running around and hear more shots and decide to stay. You came to a firefight, died, then threw up what seems to be a salt report.

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@Dongle we saw one person running from zombies, and 2 dead bodies. It's not far fetched to think what we did about the horde and situation. There were alot of zombies, no one was paying attention to how geared to bodies were. You felt the the situation was tricky enough that you reached out to me to discuss what had happened, and after hearing your side of things I closed my report. I did not know an ally was dead because my external comms were muted. @crashportheard me say I died because he was dead before me and had already unmuted/undeafened, I died as well and unmuted and spoke to him. We all play in active situations muted/deafened. No one was after the loot of a gunfight as you put it because we didnt realize we were in a gunfight. Which you understood when talking to me about closing my report. My ally did not want to close his report and now your feelings have changed. Whether coincidence or not, you rolled into our base very shortly after recieving OOC info that gear you wanted was there. If we were really as gear hungry as you say we probably would have fought you for the hmmwv and stopped your ally who was obviously robbing the inside of our compound while you were there, but we did not, because we had IC reasons to not start anything with you. This back and forth is stupid, and I would rather not file reports. I even told you on our discord call that this is the first report anyone in my group has ever filed. Everyone gave there pov, let the staff do their job.

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@Cow Even though you were not directly involved in this incident we would still like you to provide your POV on what you did leading up to the incident occurring.

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Matthew Cade POV: 

I was requested to go to the location in question to assist my fellow groupies. No idea who dropped the initiation on our end but it was double mic’d, shortly after another vehicle showed up and there was still a great deal of gunfire so I ran around like a headless chicken, saw someone I didn’t recognise and got headshot.

I then logged off for the night.

And so ends the POV of Matthew Cade, catcher of bullets.

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Summary:
@crashport and other members of Utile Umbra head towards a horde of infected and a Humvee in Gliniska in an attempt to help the person being pursued by the infected.  Unknowingly, they entered a firefight between @Dongle and the 5.0.3.  Upon seeing the Utile Umbra members killing the infected in the area, Dongle misidentifies them as enemy combatants and shoots crashport and @TegsBenedict, killing them both.  The remaining Utile Umbra member, @TearsFallSilent, flees the scene.  Dongle is then killed by @MaybeleleLR a few minutes later.

Rulebreaks:

  • @Dongle, even in the heat of a firefight, you must always ensure that you have rights on the people you are attempting to shoot.  The two players you killed were not active combatants in your firefight.  In fact, they were unaware they had entered one and were trying to assist with the infected.  As the shooter, it is on you to identify your targets and make sure that you have valid kill rights on them before you shoot them.  Seeing that you failed to do so and killed two people you did not have rights on, these two kills will be deemed invalid.
  • In terms of NVFL against the reporting party, we find no reason to punish for it.  It is well within the realm of possibility that geared players can be killed by large amounts of infected and that any gunshots heard by the reporting party could have been directed at the swarm of infected present at the time.  Generally, it is a very, very bad idea to charge into an obviously active firefight, but, given the context of the situation, we can see how @crashport and company would think there wasn't one at the time.
  • As for the claims of metagaming raised by @TearsFallSilent, we'd ask that you file your own report if you wish to see those claims investigated.  This report pertains exclusively to the invalid killing of @crashport and @TegsBenedict.

Evidence:

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03:03:40 | Player "Lee Harden" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 66.0891 meters 

03:06:48 | Player "Ben Hansen" (DEAD) killed by Player "Kato Rito" with FN-FAL from 35.0583 meters 
On 2/18/2020 at 3:40 AM, Dongle said:

I was walking from Topolin to Sitnik after loggining in. On my way there I saw a HUMVEE that matched the description of a HUMVEE my group owned about a week ago. I radioed to my boys JamesRP and HDragon that the HUMVEE was heading their way. They proceed to set up a roadblock in Glinska. When the HUMVEE comes to a stop at their improvised roadblock the homies initate. This is when 3 of them no comply after one of their boys is tied up. HDragon gets shreded by a saiga as JamesRP cleans up the mess. I arrive not long after and help out James with the hostage. At this point JamesRP goes outside and gets gunned down. I run outside and with a swift movement trick gun down 3 of the counter-attackers. After tryting to secure the area I hear more gunfire and there is a whle bunch of infected. I see more guys in the area who had weapons out either aiming or shooting in my general direction so I oblidge them with a few rounds of my .308. After some more running around I sadly get gunned down from the only point these guys could get me from which would be from behind.

 

Suggestions:
@crashport, @TegsBenedict, and @TearsFallSilent:  While the staff team understands the context of the situation this time, context might not always be your saving grace.  If you have any reason to believe that an active gunfight is occurring, please think twice before heading in the direction of the gunshots.  You will not be incurring any punishment in this situation, as the situation masked the firefight well, but we would like to ask you to be more cautious in the future.

@Dongle: Always positively identify your targets.  The identification of targets in a firefight, initiation, or otherwise will always be on the shooter.  Firefights are tricky, but still not exceptions to the rules.  If you are ever in doubt that you have rights on a person, don't take the risk of the rulebreak, just reinitiate.  Worst case, you have to shoot them or get shot yourself.  Best case, you've avoided a rulebreak and opened up some new roleplay.  Similarly to our suggestion to the reporting party, simply be more careful in the future.

Verdict:
@Dongle | Invalid kill (firefight) x2 | GUILTY.  2 day ban, 10 warning points.  Character reset.
@crashport & @TegsBenedict | NVFL | NOT GUILTY.  No action taken.

Signed by @Peril@Fae, & @Inferno

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