Raiding bases by making fences into gates

[Fuhqnugget]

I'd like to revisit a previous suggestion.

Suggestion: 

 

Reason why: By allowing groups to make a fence into a gate in order to raid it makes people want less and less to make a base that doesn't allow one route access.

By making it to where fences can be made into gates in order to raid, it disallows almost all reasonable time constraints put in place to balance raiding. 

This situation makes places like Kopa (or PreCons) be that much more desirable to build in, which would just cause a bunch of kill boxes to be put onto the server.

 

So actual suggestions: Make raiding a base by making a fence into a gate an Abuse of Game Mechanics. Alternatively, if possible, would it be possible to make it to where you can only form a gate by being on the inside of the fence? If so, it would negate any rulebreaks and make it be the player who built the bases fault for not making the fence face the proper direction. 

 

My reasoning is listed above, and mostly has to do with the strength of single route bases and there not being a balanced time constraint when building. 

 

No poll as it doesn't provoke people to share their opinions. Please leave your reasoning below for why you are with/against this.

[JohnGrace]

Absolutely abuse of game mechanics. There is not any IC reason to be able to turn a fucking fence into a gate while raiding

[Banshee]

1 hour ago, Fuhqnugget said:

Alternatively, if possible, would it be possible to make it to where you can only form a gate by being on the inside of the fence?

This is already the way fences and gates work. You can only make a fence into a gate from the inside of the wall, not the outside, so whoever turned the fence into a gate found a way inside the base and did so from the inside.

[neom]

40 minutes ago, JohnGrace said:

Absolutely abuse of game mechanics. There is not any IC reason to be able to turn a fucking fence into a gate while raiding

Actually it’s not AOGM have been told by multiple GM’s it’s not and there are plenty reasons to turn a fence into a gate.

 

1. to get out quicker 

2. to make a back entrance to come back at a later date 

3. to cause little damage to the camp eg not cut off all the code locks 

There are just 3 of them, as I was told by a gm, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE BASE OWNER TO CHECK YOUR WALLS TO ENSURE YOUR BASE IS SAFE AND SECURE. 
Sorry lads but it’s not AOGM 

[AndreyQ]

If owners can turn a fence into a gate so can people raiding. 

[JohnGrace]

1 hour ago, neom said:

Actually it’s not AOGM have been told by multiple GM’s it’s not and there are plenty reasons to turn a fence into a gate.

 

1. to get out quicker 

2. to make a back entrance to come back at a later date 

3. to cause little damage to the camp eg not cut off all the code locks 

There are just 3 of them, as I was told by a gm, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE BASE OWNER TO CHECK YOUR WALLS TO ENSURE YOUR BASE IS SAFE AND SECURE. 
Sorry lads but it’s not AOGM 

If you were raiding a compound in real life are you going to bring your carpenter to the front lines to build a fucking door, cut a hole in the wall,  and mount the door? Or are you gonna break down a wall or gate. 

[Ryan Shepherd]

If base owners are turning gates into fences and logging off for the night keeping their precious vehicles and equipment safe in sheds, you best believe I will turn fences into gates.

Ban both ways, easy.

13 minutes ago, JohnGrace said:

If you were raiding a compound in real life are you going to bring your carpenter to the front lines to build a fucking door, cut a hole in the wall,  and mount the door? Or are you gonna break down a wall or gate. 

I mean.. if your going to take that route, how are you building fort knox in the first place

[AndreyQ]

23 minutes ago, JohnGrace said:

If you were raiding a compound in real life are you going to bring your carpenter to the front lines to build a fucking door, cut a hole in the wall,  and mount the door? Or are you gonna break down a wall or gate. 

Are you bringing a carpenter when you make the gates for your base? No you pick some wire and pliers and build the gate.

[HuskyBB]

Don't think you understand the mechanics of the game. Because what you are asking for is alraedy a thing. You can only make a fence into a gate from the inside, so this is only a viable option if there is a way in by boosting. I don't think it's aogm nor should it be. And as a base owner i would rather have someone get in that way because it is easily reverted back. Whereas i would lose codelocks or materials if they broke in the normal way. 

Also why would everyone be able to build gates and compounds easily, but when you are raiding you suddenly need a carpenter for it to make sense. 

[neom]

1 hour ago, JohnGrace said:

If you were raiding a compound in real life are you going to bring your carpenter to the front lines to build a fucking door, cut a hole in the wall,  and mount the door? Or are you gonna break down a wall or gate. 

Right I’ll put it this way would you rather me:

 

a: cut all your locks off and leave the place wide open 

b: smash down a wall and make a massive gap

or 

c : get in make a gate get out 

 

like the WOKEST person on dayzrp said @AndreyQsaid if you can turn a wall into a gate why can’t we?

Stop complaining, it is a game, base building already heavily favours the base builders and hoarders If you feel making a gate is AOGM report.

Like many have said YOU CAN NOT MAKE A GATE FROM THE OUSIDE. 
And yes when I go raiding in real life I bring a whole organisation of carpenters, plumbers and painters and decorators 

Edited February 15, 2020 by neom

[Player 1]

I'm honestly fine with it either way. If it's AOGM then I can see why. If we keep the status quo, thats fine with me too. 

 

[Fuhqnugget]

I actually stand on the fence on this issue quite a bit, as I can easily see both ways.

 

However I believe there is a possibility that Bohemia may have fucked up the base building system and allowed gates to be built from both ways. It's also important to remember that Base Building is still new in Bohemia standards, and therefore have that Trademarked Bohemia Alpha feel and ars finicky as fuck. 

 

I do believe that it is definitely a valid reason to escape, but I don't agree that it is not unbalanced raiding. 

 

As someone who does a healthy amount of both I know there is a balance between the 2. Places with 1 way entrances like Kopa become desirable. In order to fully defend a base in a scenario where gates can be made both ways would be to honeycomb the base 2 or 3 times. It's important for bases built for RP in mind have a chance to function decently. 

 

Also, I have yet to find someone turn their gates into fences, however that should be equally punishable. It's dumb to think that people would leave themselves with no exit/entrance. 

 

TL;DR I personally sit on the fence and mostly made this for dialogue. It's the responsibility of the base owner to ensure that all his fences are facing the wrong way, however even then this entire feature is finicky (as is all stuff regarding Bohemia). My issue really isn't with exiting, it's really with breaking in and not regarding the amount of balances that the staff team has done to insure that not all bases are hit immediately and that base owners have a fighting chance with defenses alone. 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Fuhqnugget