S2 Prison - Greifing

[MysteryBB]

Server and location: S2 - Prison

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 14-02-2020 - Between 22:00 and 22:30 I think. (I typed ''// 5-10 minutes before this'' or something like that in chat at the given moment)

Your in game name: Roy Davis

Names of allies involved: @Atrix17, @Eagle, @MR ZED JR, @MaybeleleLR, @G_DateLR, @Rjparker

Name of suspect/s: @Watchman

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): Tan Humvee, Red BMW, Flatbed Truck, Maroon VAZ. 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot):

Detailed description of the events: 

We had just had firefight with Operation: Yggdrasil in Zalesie and took one of their men hostage, I believe it was @TheBar0n. 30-40 or so (don't know exactly) minutes after taking him to the prison for some interrogation we hear grenades going off and mags being dumped outside at our garage, the garage is separate to the actual prison, so he only did it to blow up the cars and admitted to this in helpdesk as well. 

I hop into helpdesk and talk to @JobScholten and another staff member (Sorry, can't remember the name) We then narrow it down to being @Watchman who would have been the one throwing grenades at our cars. We call him in to talk it out and he admitted to it being him, but didn't seem to wanna talk it out. Due to his attitude and lack of care, we have decided to make this report.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Mystery

[Watchman]

Howdy, Holgers POV:

The situation escalated in Zalesei and a few of my people were killed and two hostages got taken, eventually one hostage was killed and they moved out of Zalasei in the vehicles we had, i managed to shoot one of them but they left the town and drove to the prison, we went to the prison and i saw the cars in their small "garage" compound and i confirmed that it was the ones they stole from us.. i threw some grenades in there to clear of people and also possibly destroy our vehicles and shot out the wheel on the Humvee.

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I wanna add that i am a developer and i know for a fact that grenades do no damage to the modded cars, I'm not even sure they do to the default cars.. so i knew it wouldn't do anything to the cars and it were done simply to role play, i wish they would have done some actual damage to the cars.

I sabotaged the vehicles as retaliation since you had taken two of our vehicles and captured two of our men hostage and killed several, I see no problems with my actions as they are entirely ICly motivated by your own actions.

Adding onto the Help desk situation: I was told to hop into help desk only to find the people I was currently in an ACTIVE SITUATION with asking me questions about my IC actions, surely it is against staff protocol to pull someone out of an active firefight to collect information about that ongoing IC situation .... What strikes me as odd is that you seemingly had no idea who was doing the sabotage until you learned about it OOCly in help desk, after which you then proceed to meta game that information and execute @TheBar0n

Also the other member of staff was @G_DateLR which I'm surprised you seem to not remember since hes a member of your group.

[G_DateSB]

I would like to state i wasn't acting as staff in the helpdesk I was just explaining what happened. I came in helpdesk just before watchman turned up. If needed I will post a pov tomorrow when I wake up

[Aiko]

Connection Logs

19:44:00 | Player "Gareth Jones" is connected
00:14:58 | Player "Gareth Jones" has been disconnected

18:02:47 | Player "Tobias Aagaard" is connected
-Killed-
01:54:59 | Player "Tobias Aagaard" has been disconnected

19:20:17 | Player "Roy Davis" is connected
00:01:20 | Player "Roy Davis" has been disconnected

20:14:37 | Player "Holger G Petersen" is connected
01:54:59 | Player "Holger G Petersen" has been disconnected

Hit/Restrain Logs

22:22:45 | Gareth Jones <5483.21, 8763.71, 318.864> restrained Tobias Aagaard with Rope
22:49:04 | Player "Tobias Aagaard" hit by Player "Roy Davis" with IZH-43 from 2.90633 meters

Kill Logs

22:49:04 | Player "Tobias Aagaard" (DEAD) killed by Player "Roy Davis" with IZH-43 from 2.90633 meters 

Position Logs

22:23:32 | Player "Holger G Petersen" (pos=<5302.2, 9442.4, 174.1>)
22:58:32 | Player "Holger G Petersen" (pos=<5761.4, 8639, 276.5>)

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Calling in the following to post their detailed POVs and any evidence they might have.

@Mystery - Roy Davis OP
@G_DateLR - Gareth Jones
@TheBar0n - Tobias Aagaard
@Watchman - Holger G Petersen POSTED

[Rover]

12 hours ago, Mystery said:

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Why did you execute the hostage? You don't address that in your POV.

[G_DateSB]

Gareth's POV: 

So the boys was in Topolin and me and @MaybeleleLR was running from the prison towards the location of the boys as there was a plan to pick someone up in Zalesie. After running a good while I get closer to Zalesie and the boys said over radio they got Nato in there midst. So I start getting closer and then hear shots. I start arriving and asking for information in the whereabouts of the enemy. There was two dead and one hostage and as a I arrive I get shot at by running behind a house from the west side of Zalesie. I then put down some suppressing fire and then run closer to the boys. I run straight to the hostage and ask him if he wants to live and if his so called partners will value his life. We tried negotiating and gave them time to come down with there hands up and we wouldn't kill the hostage. Again after time just running around I see someone run from the northern road coming in to Zalesie and run to her and ask her to leave as there is a fire fight going on.

After that time has passed @C-J the hostage and some others was in the Humvee and drove back to the prison while myself @MR ZED JR and another was about to leave. Me and another leave Zed behind and so we return to pick him up. At that point I get shot two times and bail out of the car. I then put down suppressing fire in the location it came from. @MR ZED JR aka Gibson after he wakes up and I patch myself up I ask the young boy to move the car in the little compound as I remove the mesh barriers so we can escape from the other way.

We make it back to the Prison and park the car up and go and see the hostage. At this point Gareth is really angry and him and his men he wants to let some steam out and rough him up a bit. After a bit roughing up @MaybeleleLR @MR ZED JR was talking to him for quite a while. I was walking around the prison and keeping an eye on the things that was going on around the prison and seeing what they was saying to the hostage.

I get a radio message from @Mystery and @Eagle saying get someone to open the gate to the car compound so then I think @Atrix17 not sure opened the gate and took a shot while running up the road so I then go in the top of the tower and take a suppressed shot and run down to the boys im taking shots right now. After @Mystery and @Eagle get back and close the car gate they get into the prison and help with getting angle's on them. So I run down to the hostage again and say boys come on we need to try find this guy to then I hear grenades getting let off in are car compound. I run to the window and see another one thrown at the Humvee that we took from them. I run back into the tower and try and look for him after some time looking me and @Eagle see the guy in all black run off into the trees. After some short time @Mystery went to Helpdesk to talk to @JobScholten and another staff member. After we take the hostage up the tower to be executed he wanted to speak to his mates one more time before meeting the bullet. When he was speaking to them we couldn't hear him speak at all when speaking to them until he replies and says "What would we want to trade" so they can get there man back. I then turn to one of the lads and ask is it weird that we can't hear him when he is talking on the radio. So I ask him to speak up and at that time I think all communication is ceased and @MR ZED JR is now speaking to him while I decide to hop over in the HD to shed some light on what happened.

I hop over to HD with @JobScholten and @Mystery not acting as staff but to shed light on the situation. After coming in I explain some things to Job and wait for the person to come in to the HD. When he arrives he was talking to @Mystery and has a attitude towards him and myself. He says a few things and then what he said in the video. I then get messages from him telling me I can't be in HD in a situation when in light I was explaining the situation and yet he seemed like he had attitude towards me in my dms also.

After leaving HD @Mystery goes to the hostage and kills him 

If you need anymore information please let me know Gamemaster's  

[MysteryBB]

Spoiler

 

The first hostage was executed after the demands of them to stop shooting at us and/or surrender in Zalesie was not accepted. And the seconds hostage was executed after multiple attacks, ambushes, grenade attacks and so on. I didn't add it because I simply didn't find it relevant to this exact scenario.

Spoiler

 

We did not execute the hostage based on OOC knowledge, considering that you and your men decided not to listen to our demands and continued to attack us, ambushed multiple of our vehicles and men, attacked us at the prison and so on, we had more that enough reason IC to execute your man. It would have made not have made sense IC'ly to let him go based on your continued aggression towards us after we left Zalesie, if the hostilities would have stopped and not continued towards and at the prison, he would properly have been let go. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Mystery

[Conor]

@Mystery - The cars that were damaged/destroyed, were they ones you had stolen during the situation in Zalasei?

[MysteryBB]

Spoiler

 

3 of the vehicles were bunched together (Tan Humvee, Red BMW, Maroon VAZ.) and the Flatbed not far away. The Humvee and VAZ were taken from Zalesie, I believe the VAZ belongs to someone living in Zalesie, not sure though. The BMW was found in the forest outside Zalesie and the flatbed was found around Bielawa before the scenario.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Mystery

[Watchman]

I'd like to make a couple of things clear regarding the accusations against Operation: Yggdrasil.

1. The Execution of Baron: As said by Gareth himself, you spotted someone in all black running away from the compound and then jumped into helpdesk where you received the metagamed information. I'd like to make it clear that none of us dressed in all black, so the person you saw wasn't even one of us. Now having never seen us during the attack, and having never verified it was us, you proceeded to use the metagamed information from Helpdesk to execute Baron, there is simply no way around it.

2. Demands: The only demands we heard from you were to surrender and stop shooting.. surrendering is a unreasonable demand and would simply lead to us being killed, therefore it would be classed as NVFL for our characters... something about Humvee's were heard but nothing concrete was said, and even if you demanded a new Humvee thats another unreasonable demand.. For long periods of time we heard nothing from you and the whole situation never seemed like a hostage situation more than you just having him for your own sake.

3. The act of letting the hostage go: I'd like to know a bit more about this. AFAIK the hostage was about to be let go when you decided to use the meta gamed information from help desk to simply yeet him out of existence, essentially putting the hours of role play you all just had to waste. If you were about to let the hostage go, and you didn't know the shooters, then you couldn't possibly have known it was us? Therefore you have to have meta gamed the information from help desk and used it to execute him.

4.

Spoiler

@G_DateLR's POV proves that this was indeed meta-gaming.

You saw an individual in all black running away, this was neither me or my companion, you then proceeded to go into help desk and have me dragged in there during an active situation, in help desk you then have it confirmed that we were indeed attacking, and you then proceed to execute Baron after learning this information through help desk, which is very definition of meta gaming.

As for the case of being pulled into HD during an active situation, I think it is lousy and unsportsmanlike to pull someone into help desk during an active situation, you should have waited until after the situation was over in order to prevent cases of meta-gaming like this, while I cannot hold @JobScholten at fault as he likely wasn't informed that it was an active situation, I can say that @G_DateLR should have known better.

[Rover]

4 hours ago, Mystery said:

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We did not execute the hostage based on OOC knowledge, considering that you and your men decided not to listen to our demands and continued to attack us, ambushed multiple of our vehicles and men, attacked us at the prison and so on, we had more that enough reason IC to execute your man. It would have made not have made sense IC'ly to let him go based on your continued aggression towards us after we left Zalesie, if the hostilities would have stopped and not continued towards and at the prison, he would properly have been let go. 

Sticking strictly to the second situation, regarding the execution of @TheBar0n. At what point were members of 5.0.3 attacked? In your initial POV, you state that someone was throwing grenades and shooting at the cars in the second compound beside the prison. How did you determine they were the allies of your hostage? Were any members of 5.0.3 targetted during this, or just the vehicles?

[Eagle]

1 hour ago, Watchman said:

I'd like to make a couple of things clear regarding the accusations against Operation: Yggdrasil.

1. The Execution of Baron: As said by Gareth himself, you spotted someone in all black running away from the compound and then jumped into helpdesk where you received the metagamed information. I'd like to make it clear that none of us dressed in all black, so the person you saw wasn't even one of us. Now having never seen us during the attack, and having never verified it was us, you proceeded to use the metagamed information from Helpdesk to execute Baron, there is simply no way around it.

2. Demands: The only demands we heard from you were to surrender and stop shooting.. surrendering is a unreasonable demand and would simply lead to us being killed, therefore it would be classed as NVFL for our characters... something about Humvee's were heard but nothing concrete was said, and even if you demanded a new Humvee thats another unreasonable demand.. For long periods of time we heard nothing from you and the whole situation never seemed like a hostage situation more than you just having him for your own sake.

3. The act of letting the hostage go: I'd like to know a bit more about this. AFAIK the hostage was about to be let go when you decided to use the meta gamed information from help desk to simply yeet him out of existence, essentially putting the hours of role play you all just had to waste. If you were about to let the hostage go, and you didn't know the shooters, then you couldn't possibly have known it was us? Therefore you have to have meta gamed the information from help desk and used it to execute him.

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@G_DateLR's POV proves that this was indeed meta-gaming.

You saw an individual in all black running away, this was neither me or my companion, you then proceeded to go into help desk and have me dragged in there during an active situation, in help desk you then have it confirmed that we were indeed attacking, and you then proceed to execute Baron after learning this information through help desk, which is very definition of meta gaming.

As for the case of being pulled into HD during an active situation, I think it is lousy and unsportsmanlike to pull someone into help desk during an active situation, you should have waited until after the situation was over in order to prevent cases of meta-gaming like this, while I cannot hold @JobScholten at fault as he likely wasn't informed that it was an active situation, I can say that @G_DateLR should have known better.

Demands of stop shooting or the hostage would get shot was given thought the giving up part was not done did not make the first one die it was your attack on us as we would have already killed him if it was for no surrender.

We had already been speaking to your hostage at the time and since we had not been in any engagements with anyone other then yourself we figured it was you guys we tell him a humvee in a day would pay for the damages you did to ours, after some arguing amongst your man we where about to indeed let him go he then continued saying it would be almost impossible to do so since only 3 exist in the whole world which is strange wording I would assume he continued his arguing and was then shot even so that is not what the report Is about.

Note : your member seemed to relay information to you guys without double micing as when we tried talking to him and telling him to relay information he never spoke, he went on and on about rules and game mechanics almost going ooc as he wouldn't agree with being the message for your actions.

For a staff member to join the help desk and talk about a situation is the same as getting an extra community member dragged in if asked and is irrelevant.

1 hour ago, Rover said:

Sticking strictly to the second situation, regarding the execution of @TheBar0n. At what point were members of 5.0.3 attacked? In your initial POV, you state that someone was throwing grenades and shooting at the cars in the second compound beside the prison. How did you determine they were the allies of your hostage? Were any members of 5.0.3 targetted during this, or just the vehicles?

That would have been around the time I arrived afterwards the same guy decided once I was inside to throw nades and shoot at the car tires when they didn't work as for the confirmation I explained above.

Clarification he had tried prior to shoot at the people in the prison when I was arriving and then moved to the cars afterwards.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Eagle

[The Baron]

TheBar0n/Tobias POV:

Situation started back in Zalesie, we were initiated on, I was driving the vehicle and complied. I was then taken hostage along with @Thormeister who was shortly after executed due to an unreasonable demand of all of us surrendering. During the encounter I complied with what they asked me to, after the initial gunbattle they proceeded to grab the HMMWV and load me into it, they then transported me to the Prison near Nidek.

While at the prison I was instructed not to tell my companions were I was on the radio but to stop attacking, I of course complied with that request.

Multiple times during the encounter they threatened to execute me, despite remaining compliant the entire way through, and having forwarded all information I was asked to. At no point did 5.0.3 attempt to start negotiations, they never gave me any other demands other than stop shooting and surrender, long into the situation they finally come with some form of demand in regards to us providing them with a new HMMWV within 24 hours, of which we discuss a bit, and just as it seems that I was about to be let go, I am then suddenly executed by @Mystery

End of POV: I would like to add, that while I enjoyed the encounter there are a few things I wish to comment on, firstly, if you're going to promise that I will be alive while I remain compliant all the way through, and we finally go through the effort of setting up negotiations, why would you then waste hours of roleplay by executing me at the end with no warning or build-up? I was literally being released as you walked up and just shot me. Secondly: I was told to refer to one of you all as 'Daddy'? This came off as incredibly trolly and just downright disrespectful, I'd prefer not seeing this type of roleplay from you again.

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I am aware of the fact that I said some questionable information in the end, and have been receiving heads ups and minor scoldings for it. That is of course my bad, but such doesn't change the overall situation that much.

Edited February 14, 2020 by TheBar0n
Forgot to note down a part.

[Conor]

1 hour ago, Rover said:

Sticking strictly to the second situation, regarding the execution of @TheBar0n. At what point were members of 5.0.3 attacked? In your initial POV, you state that someone was throwing grenades and shooting at the cars in the second compound beside the prison. How did you determine they were the allies of your hostage? Were any members of 5.0.3 targetted during this, or just the vehicles?

To add onto Rovers question (which still awaits your answer), the post from Eagle (which strangely appeared despite him not being called in) talks about you knowing that the vehicle attacker was a member of Operation Yggdrasil because they were the only people you have had a previous engagement with. Without information gained OOCly from the helpdesk, how can you be so sure that the attacker is in fact an ally of your hostage?

We roleplay in a post apocalyptic world where people are very violent towards eachother. We have server rules to make the roleplay more enjoyable between parties but from what Eagle said, if OOC information was not used then you basically used the knowledge from the rules that you are protected from unannounced hostility against those who you have not previously been engaged with to determine that the attacker was an ally of your hostage.

[MysteryBB]

21 hours ago, Conor said:

To add onto Rovers question (which still awaits your answer), the post from Eagle (which strangely appeared despite him not being called in) talks about you knowing that the vehicle attacker was a member of Operation Yggdrasil because they were the only people you have had a previous engagement with. Without information gained OOCly from the helpdesk, how can you be so sure that the attacker is in fact an ally of your hostage?

We roleplay in a post apocalyptic world where people are very violent towards eachother. We have server rules to make the roleplay more enjoyable between parties but from what Eagle said, if OOC information was not used then you basically used the knowledge from the rules that you are protected from unannounced hostility against those who you have not previously been engaged with to determine that the attacker was an ally of your hostage.

 

23 hours ago, Rover said:

Sticking strictly to the second situation, regarding the execution of @TheBar0n. At what point were members of 5.0.3 attacked? In your initial POV, you state that someone was throwing grenades and shooting at the cars in the second compound beside the prison. How did you determine they were the allies of your hostage? Were any members of 5.0.3 targetted during this, or just the vehicles?

Let me just do a POV of the entire situation, since a short one about the specific scenario isn't enough. 

 

We went to Zalesie and found Operation: Yggdrasil there with a Humvee. We initiated on them and I drove the flatbed in front of the Humvee to stop them from driving away. I believe that two of them decided not to comply and we took the two others hostage. After talking to them for a while inside the church we take gunfire from the hill, we tell the hostage to relay a message that if this does not stop, they would be executed. We continued to take shots and one of the hostages then got killed (since our demands were not met) After looking for the person in the woods and taking more shots, we decided to just leave town. Shortly after the Humvee leaves they start taking fire from an ambush. At that point I tell @Eagle to get the BMW we found in the woods out of there and I would take the flatbed. I go to the Flatbed and tell the woman in town that she can keep the other car and then jumps in the Flatbed and leaves. Shortly after leaving I hear that the Humvee saw a Flatbed with multiple people inside in Topilin, so I take another route. When going down the road i hear that @G_DateLR and another person are taking shots near Zalesie after trying to get the car I handed over to the lady out of the town. I keep on driving and gets followed by a red BMW for a short amount of time. I make it to the prison, park up the Flatbed and move some supplies inside, shortly after @G_DateLR shows up in the VAZ and also goes inside. @Eagle then tells me that he broke the BMW and I decided to wait for restart before going over to him. After the restart I head over to @Eagle with a spare radiator and after fixing up the BMW we start heading towards the prison. When we were just outside the perimeter of the prison someone yells ''Taking shots, taking shots'' and I hear bullets snap. I let eagle out to open the gates, so that I could drive the BMW in. I believe @G_DateLR then starts taking shots. After getting inside safely we RP a bit with the hostage and arrange some loot. We then hear the grenades go off and shots being fired outside the prison and we all get into positions, shortly after I walk into the room with the hostage and tells him to go on the radio and say his final goodbyes and so on, he does. We wait around for a bit until all the shooting and so on stops. We then all decide to execute the prisoner via firing squad, but he was AFK, so we acted at if he was sleeping. After waiting for the hostage to wake back up for a good 3-5 minutes I decided to go into the helpdesk, seeing that I think a rules was being broke -> Griefing. I talk over the scenario with @JobScholten and @Knightblast we talk it over for a while and I then decide to have @Watchman pulled in to talk it out, instead of making a report instantly. After him admitting to it being him and him leaving the channel abruptly after saying the words in the video, I returned to RP'ing. During the time I was in helpdesk, me and @G_DateLR pulled the remaining two wheel off the Humvee and I headed inside. During the time of me being in helpdesk the hostage was also taken upstairs to be executed once again, but I left to focus on the helpdesk situation. I ran around the prison for a solid few minutes looking for the hostage, since I thought he was already executed or we were going to execute him like the plan before me going into helpdesk. I failed to find him so I ask were he was, since I got the vague answer of ''He is upstairs'' I search through the cells of the top floor were we previously had him. I then hear them talking about letting him go and something about him bringing us a Humvee in return. My character was not happy about that, seeing that his men shot at us in Zalesie, failed to listen to our demands, ambushed us multiple times and since we assumed that it was them sniping us and throwing grenades at us, plus the fact that I knew that he was  never going to bring us a Humvee. I then tried to pinpoint his location and find him, I spot him and some of our men on the stairs, seeing that some of my comrades apparently wanted to let him go with a fake promise of a Humvee, I decided to shoot him dead. 

 

As you can see in the POV, we had MORE than enough reasons to execute the hostage, both according to the rules and IC'ly. We simply didn't act upon the OOC knowledge gained doing the helpdesk situation, he was going to be executed a total of two times before the situation in helpdesk was even over and could have been executed many more times. We could have executed him right there and then at Zalesie, doing ambush one, doing ambush two, during the multiple times we were being shot at at the prison, when grenades started blowing up and so on, but we decided to focus on IC information and RP instead. 

It would IC'ly had made absolutely no sense for my character and for the group in general to let him go after what his men had done.

Since no one had attacked the DAYS prison prior to this situation, it would not had made any sense to be anyone but Operation: Yggdrasil who attacked us, so no meta gaming was used there either. Of course it could have been another group, but in this specific scenario we had just attacked them, taken one of their men hostage and executed another, so it would make perfect sense to be them, our characters simply assumed that it was them and even argued weather or not it could have been An Pobal or them before I even went into helpdesk, but we decided on it being Operation: Yggdrasil. So again, we could not be 100% certain that it was them, but IC'ly we assumed at that point in time.

I would also like to point out this part in @TheBar0n POV. ''While at the prison I was instructed not to tell my companions were I was on the radio but to stop attacking, I of course complied with that request.'' So his companies were already told, yet again, to stop attacking, which leaves us with even more rights.

From me finding out that @Watchman and Operation: Yggdrasil, that was doing it, to me executing the prisoner was properly around 10 to 20 minutes, if not more. So no, I didn't get the information and went straight to killing the hostage either.

Lets also note that I waited roughly 10 to 15 minutes and was told that the suspect ran away, before I went into helpdeks and talked to @JobScholten. The only reason why I joined helpdesk was because I thought someone was breaking a rule, aka Griefing. And again, wanted to talk it out with the person instead of making a report. 

I simply don't see why I would execute the prisoner based on OOC knowledge when I had plenty of IC reasons + the rules on my side.

I don't see where the Meta Gaming in @G_DateLR POV was either. @Watchman if you are referring to this part -> ''After leaving HD @Mystery goes to the hostage and kills him'' after leaving HD, could be a span of 1second to 5days, he simply stated what I did after. As explained above, the hostage was killed 10 to 20 minutes, if not more time after me ''gaining'' the information that it was you and Operation: Yggdrasil.

 

Seeing that this report most likely will lead to nothing and the possibility of people getting points for rules they did not break, I would like the report closed if all parties agrees.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Mystery
Changed 20-30min to 10-20min, to make it more accurate, since I was in a rush when I wrote it and added more details.

[Watchman]

No

Also wanna mention you said that it was 20-30 min after you talked to me you killed him.. but the time i was called in was 22:43 server time and you killed him 22:49 ... care to explain?

[MysteryBB]

21 hours ago, Watchman said:

Also wanna mention you said that it was 20-30 min after you talked to me you killed him.. but the time i was called in was 22:43 server time and you killed him 22:49 ... care to explain?

I was told it was Operation: Yggdrasil and later you, before you were called in. I simply can't recall the exact time from when things happened or the time span things happened in, since I am not superhuman. I can change it to 10-20 minutes, or more. If that feels more correct in you eyes.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Mystery

[Conor]

30 minutes ago, Mystery said:

I was told it was Operation: Yggdrasil and later you, before you were called in.

Who told you this and do you know how they found this information out?

You fail to mention any of this in your 'POV of the entire situation'.

[MysteryBB]

7 hours ago, Conor said:

Who told you this and do you know how they found this information out?

You fail to mention any of this in your 'POV of the entire situation'.

The staff member in helpdesk, @JobScholten, I assume they used staff commands? I referred to me knowing that it was him and Operation: Yggdrasil during the helpdesk situation before he was pulled in and still didn't act upon this OOC knowledge even though I was still playing actively on the server.

[Scarlett]

The staff team have looked over the report and decided to honor the decision to close it.

We looked into the case and it doesn’t look like foul play occurred, however we understand how you may think it had, as damaging a vehicle can be seen as greifing. However, in this instance we do not believe griefing was done, and this would have been given a not guilty verdict. The vehicles in question was originally stolen, so was shot by the previous owner to gain a tactical advantage we see no problem in this as it was done for a good reason. 

 As for the metagaming due to no evidence provided to show this and only being word vs word, unfortunately we cannot take the word of one over the word of another. This would have more than likely been found inconclusive.

 

With that said,

/closed.

 

Signed: @Scarlett, @Fae & @Inferno