Baiting > Attempt invalid Kill Appeal

[groovy blisna]

Link to the source of punishment (report/post): 

 

Why the verdict is not fair: I believe that the verdict is not fair due to the fact that the home owners were not forced into initiation and chose to do so for what ever reason. I feel that this would not be considered baiting because for baiting it would incite initiation when in this situation initiation was not needed and the intruders could be murdered as soon as their feet hit the floor of the base after boosting in or as they were in the process of boosting. Something else i would like to add is this topic in which Roland explained exactly that kill rights are given from the exact thing that my people were doing making no sense as to why there would be a force initiation. 

please look at situation #2 and Rolands response to the situation. As well as the response that includes baiting rules and how if someone were to jump in the base and killed that wouldn’t grant rights to the group of the intruder making even more of a reason not initiate. 

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Situation 2: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. They are boosting each other over your wall to land on the GROUND inside your bases walls.

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" Since they are aware of your presence and that it is your base, 1, 2 and 3 would be treated as a hostile action and grant defensive kill rights to the owners. "

"When someone steals from you or attacks your base like that you gain defensive kill rights on them. Neither stealing, sawing locks or jumping walls is considered an initiation however, so they do not get any rights on you. Therefore if a person steals from you or jumps a wall you can kill them and they can fire back at you (that's a universal right given to every individual to be able to defend yourself when someone is trying to kill you), but the rest of the attacker group does not gain any rights. That's because of the baiting rule, as it should not be possible to have one man jump over a wall to gain rights for the rest of the group who can then start shooting from sniper positions and what not, without having to initiate."

 

Additional statements/comments explaining your point of view:  while i have no new statements from my POV, if someone was initiated on for baiting would that make all other initiations after the first one caused from the Baiting considered part of the baiting initiation and make any kills or hits invalid? 

What would you like to achieve with this appeal: What i would like to achieve is the points removed and a possible revert to the character reset. (not sure if thats possible but what ever cha know)

What could you have done better?: I feel as though in this situation something i could have done better was maybe making it more clear that my group was breaking into someones base than it already was.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Blisna
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[Kermit]

Hello @ImBlisna

Since your ban has already expired you do have the opportunity to get back ingame. There is however a risk.
Once you have joined we cannot restore your old character again because the new character will overwrite the old one.

We wanted to make you aware of this so that you do have the opportunity to get it back even when your ban has expired.

- JobScholten

[groovy blisna]

Yes i understand @JobScholten I have not got into game since being unbanned or will i until the decision is made, thank you for the heads up.

[Kermit]

Hello @Blisna,

A separate team of staff have reviewed the original verdict and have come to the conclusion to deny this appeal.
On review of the video footage, it is clear to the staff team that your actions were attempts to bait the other players into initiating on you.

Baiting is in itself an offence that can occur without gaining kill rights, it lies in the behaviour and actions, not in the result.
You were trying to get inside their compound by climbing on top of some houses. Despite multiple warnings from the people inside you kept on going resulting in the people inside initiating.
The home owners were forced into an initiation due to the fact that you were actually already inside their base.
These situations are reviewed case by case, the Ask The Staff you quoted also states:

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Situation 3: Your are in your base talking to some people on the outside, they are aware it is your base and you are home as you are inside talking to them on the outside of your base. They are boosting each other on top of a building that encloses your base (like the roof of a church) or on top of your base wall.

Roland answers to this:
 

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Since they are aware of your presence and that it is your base, 1, 2 and 3 would be treated as a hostile action and grant defensive kill rights to the owners.

You tried killing a guy with the rights you gained from baiting, which resulted in your ban.

With that said; Appeal Denied.

Signed: @JobScholten, @Fae & @Scarlett