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Killing someone who shoots your hostage


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  • Titanium

If Person A takes Person B hostage. Roleplays with him.

Then suddenly Person C comes out of no where and shoots Person B resulting in his death.

Can Person A shoot Person C for shooting His/Her hostage?


In my opinion I think you should be able to. Even though that person did not cause harm to you.  And if you are able to is there things we must consider before it becomes ruleplay? 

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  • Legend

As I was semi-around for this situation and heard what was going on in Discord I will speak for myself and what I think:

I would never punish anyone for killing an obvious rulebreaker.

The issue is: What if he actually had kill rights on him due to previous roleplay? Are you willing to take that risk, or would you rather take the safe route and actually initiate first? I'd consider this before pulling the trigger, always.

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  • Legend


So imma add on to what @Hofer is saying but literally going off the exact wording of the rules:

4.2 ....

> If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining  DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

Going off what the words literally state, if somebody walks up and blasts the hostage you're roleplaying with then yes you'd be able to shoot him. You're actively roleplaying (so not even recently roleplaying) with that person when he/she is killed. Strange but it might make sense ICly too as you might have needed that hostage for a purpose. 

Obviously this comes with the disclaimer that you should be careful for ruleplay. Ruleplay is always situational. For example if somebody walks up and blasts your hostage then tries to run off it's gonna be pretty difficult to take an RP route so I would probably be less likely to punish for ruleplay. If he walks up and is like "Oh hey, this is the fucker that killed my friend a couple days ago" and blasts him then there might be RP to explore before just dropping a yeet, if that makes sense? Unfortunately ruleplay always depends on the person judging it as it's one of the "moral grey areas" with no definitive criteria, only the misuse of kill rights. 

Feel free to PM me if you want more explanation, i'll do my best. 

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