S2 Invalid Initation, Brena PD

[8Dust8]

Server and location: S2 Brena Police Station

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2/7/20 ~06:12-06:20

Your in game name: Blake Everest

Names of allies involved: N/A

Name of suspect/s: Unkown, logs will show

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): N/A

Detailed description of the events: 2 men, one in a red flannel, gas mask, and black radar cap, with a PB in his black chest holster, and the other in a green baseball cap, dust mask, wielding a suppressed Glock, initially were friendly to me and asked to loot the Brena PD with me. I said yes, and as we walked, they asked a few questions, such as my name, if I have friends, et cetera. Upon arriving at the PD, they let me loot a few items, and as I went down after checking the 3rd story roof, into the 2nd floor, the man in the red flannel proceeded to shoot me twice, with nothing said, with an MP-153 shotgun, assumingly loaded with bean bag rounds, given that I was half HP (yellow) and unconscious. Upon waking, they did some RP with me, shot me again, this time the other man shot me with previously mentioned Glock, and shot me again with the bean bag rounds, leaving me at <10 HP (critical), and surrounded by zombies, with no ammo. 

Edited February 8, 2020 by 8Dust8
Spacing everything out, for easier reading

[Rover]

Connection Logs

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05:54:36 | Player "Blake Everest" is connected
06:39:25 | Player "Blake Everest" has been disconnected

05:25:00 | Player "Dan Carver" is connected
07:14:43 | Player "Dan Carver" has been disconnected

04:28:48 | Player "Jason Eldridge" is connected
06:38:54 | Player "Jason Eldridge" has been disconnected
06:39:04 | Player "Jason Eldridge" is connected
07:16:12 | Player "Jason Eldridge" has been disconnected

 

 

Hit Logs

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06:13:28 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by Player "Jason Eldridge" with Mp-153 from 2.81214 meters 
06:13:31 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by Player "Jason Eldridge" with Mp-153 from 4.98862 meters 
06:13:32 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by is unconscious
06:14:20 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by regained consciousness
06:17:30 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by SKS
06:20:21 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by Player "Dan Carver" with GLOCK-19 from 0.854954 meters 
06:21:51 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by Player "Jason Eldridge" with Mp-153 from 2.23525 meters 
06:21:52 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by is unconscious
06:22:40 | Player "Blake Everest" hit by regained consciousness

 

 

Calling in the below for their full point of view of the events, with any unedited video evidence they may have.

Please read the OP's post, and post your version of the events in here.

 

@8Dust8 - Blake Everest - OP

@Danga - Dan Carver - Posted

@Spiritual_Wind - Jason Eldridge - Posted

 

[8Dust8]

A few additional things I didn't say, because I was tired, is that they (obviously) restrained me after the first unconscious, and also took 1 bags worth of blood from me. Sorry.

[Spiritual_Wind]

Me and my friend I had just met "Dan" were running pretty low on supplies so we tried to find someone who may have supplies and that is when we ran into Blake. We tried to get to know him and lead him into a trap. We walked into the police station of Brena and I initiated. I admit the way I initiated was pretty violent but I shot him twice in the chest with beanbags, making sure not to kill him and only render him unconscious. I then tied him up and made sure he couldn't do anything to harm us. He then began getting mouthy and my friend Dan shot him with his 9mm Glock. I didn't expect Dan to shoot him but I assume it was because Blake was telling us "Shoot me." After that I grabbed his peaches and Dan got a bag's worth of blood and his 9mm ammunition. We left him with a shotgun right in front of him and we also made sure he had rags and all that so he wouldn't die if he was attacked by a zombie. After we looted his bag I shot him once more in the head with a beanbag because I didn't want him to know which way we would run away. After that we brought all the zombies that had surrounded the police station with us and killed them so it is odd seeing that Blake stated we left him with no ammunition because we left him with most of his items and that he was surrounded by zombies because we brought all the zombies with us to the other side of town. Thank you for reading this and I am sorry for the inconvenience.

[8Dust8]

Actually, anytime I said anything regarding shooting me, were things along the lines of: "What're you gonna do, shoot me? Like I have anything to live for, any friends to come for me?!"
I never directly told you to shoot me, and your initiation was nonexistent. You just shot me, that was it.

[Spiritual_Wind]

The initiation was as I said before, knocking you out and tying you up before you woke up again and you were implying it while saying that you have nothing to live for and we didn't kill you. We made sure that you were alive before leaving and made sure you would be able to survive if we left you there in that building. That is why we knocked you out in a building! So you didn't die from any zombies and I know that being unconscious only lasts up to a minute in the conditions you were in. I didn't want you hearing where me and my buddy were going so I decided to knock you out and the initiation technically was there.

[Dren]

Yo, basically the plan was to rob youm and steal your blood as we were cannibals. 

Your RP in game was great, however me shooting you was completely justified, you were mouthy and angry and hostile towards the characters the entire time, walking right up to me and saying "what are you gonna do shoot me" in very hostile tone. FearRP was basically not there in your part. If somebody takes you hostage and you say things like "what are you gonna do, shoot me" your gonna get shot.

I'll admit I didn't know the initation was gonna be bean bags to the chest though. I planned to get you to stick your hands up and then tie you up. 

I tried to put a burlap sack onto his head but it unfortunately glitched into his inventory. Didn't know about the bean bags to the head at the end either. 

Honestly I thought the RP was great considering how creepy me and him were towards you, you gave great rp on your part and I thought it was real cool. 

[8Dust8]

I'm not mad about getting shot by the glock, or.. Generally, getting shot at all. An initiation needs clear, unambiguous demands with a clear unambiguous consequence if you do not comply. Shooting someone is not an initation, it is an attempted invalid kill and an invalid initation. I liked the RP, and would have done the exact same thing with being initiated properly on. I do not shy away from HostileRP, and did actually enjoy myself a little bit, even if I was improperly initiated on. I wont be replying to any more of these posts unless asked to by staff.

[Spiritual_Wind]

I am sorry and I do realize the way I "initiated" was probably not the best and normal way of initiating but I thought maybe I could make a robbery a bit more interesting. A bit more surprising as death seems like it would be the only way the situation would end. I had no intent to kill you and I am sorry if you believe that it was too much when I did initiate. Thank you for understanding and I am glad that you did enjoy yourself during the RP.

[Peril]

Summary:
@8Dust8 meets @Spiritual_Wind and @Danga at the Brena police department and begin looting it together.  Spiritual_Wind chooses to "initiate" on 8Dust8 by shooting him twice with beanbag shotgun shells, knocking him unconscious.  This begins the chain of events where 8Dust8 is tied up, shot once by Danga, and then once again by Spiritual_Wind before the two shooters depart the police department.

Rulebreaks:

• @Spiritual_Wind, you state that you initiated on @8Dust8 by shooting him twice in the chest with beanbag shells.  This is in no way an actual initiation.  Initiations require verbal demands and consequence, which you failed to provide any of in this scenario.  Simply shooting someone, even with non-lethal ammunition, is not an initiation.  It's an attempt on another player's life, and seeing that you invalidly initiated, or more accurately failed to initiate at all, on 8Dust8, this attempt on his life will been deemed an Attempted Invalid Kill.
• @Danga, for the reasons explained above, @Spiritual_Wind's alleged initiation was not an actual initiation and offered no rights to him.  Furthermore, even if he had validly initiated, you would not receive any rights from it given that you are not in an approved group.  In your point of view, you state your reason for shooting @8Dust8 was that he was mouthy and hostile, but this is simply not grounds to shoot someone unless an initiation demanded they stop speaking like this.  Because there was no valid initiation involved in this scenario, your shooting of 8Dust8 will be deemed an Attempted Invalid Kill.

Evidence:

On 2/9/2020 at 12:42 AM, Danga said:

me shooting you was completely justified, you were mouthy and angry and hostile towards the characters the entire time, walking right up to me and saying "what are you gonna do shoot me" in very hostile tone.

I'll admit I didn't know the initation was gonna be bean bags to the chest though. I planned to get you to stick your hands up and then tie you up. 

On 2/8/2020 at 6:22 PM, Spiritual_Wind said:

We walked into the police station of Brena and I initiated. I admit the way I initiated was pretty violent but I shot him twice in the chest with beanbags, making sure not to kill him and only render him unconscious.

Suggestions:
@Spiritual_Wind & @Danga, in the future, you absolutely must initiate before you even think of being the first to shoot someone.  Initiations require verbal (or in-character text) demands and consequences to gain attacker rights.  Once you gain these, you cannot use them unless your victim is noncompliant.  The both of you shot @8Dust8 without initiating or rights and we cannot suggest strongly enough that you always ensure that you have offered a proper initiation, the qualifications for such being stated several times in this report and in rule 4.1, or that you have rights from other things.  That being said, when in doubt, initiate.  Additionally, for @Danga, attacker rights do not transfer across dynamic groups, so always ensure you initiate individually.

Verdict:
@Spiritual_Wind | Attempted Invalid Kill | GUILTY.  2 day ban, 10 warning points.  Character reset.
@Danga | Attempted Invalid Kill | GUILTY.  2 day ban, 10 warning points.  Character reset.

Signed by @Peril& @Eagles