invalid kill

[HECTIK32]

Server and location: s2 Livonia the prison below gliniska

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 2020-02-03, 09:49

Your in game name: Jack Ryder

Names of allies involved: N/A

Name of suspect/s: N/A whoever is breaking into prison

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): N/A

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): N/A Geforce needed an update so it didnt save my shadow play

Detailed description of the events: I woke up IRL and decided to log on to go regear from being robbed yesterday. I am in a loading screen and then i hear gunshots before im loaded in an my screen just says dead. No initiation was dropped what so ever like i stated i was still in a load screen but could hear audio. And when i logged out earlier i did not have a weapon in my hand.

Edited February 3, 2020 by HECTIK32
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[PublicVoodoo]

Connection Logs:

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05:01:52 | Player "Jack Ryder" has been disconnected
09:47:43 | Player "Jack Ryder" is connected
-DEAD-

09:31:35 | Player "Callahan McDuffin" is connected
09:56:04 | Player "Callahan McDuffin" has been disconnected
09:56:36 | Player "Callahan McDuffin" is connected
10:50:14 | Player "Callahan McDuffin" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs:

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09:33:01 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<5588.4, 8811.7, 313.1>)[HP: 63.7] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5496.4, 8755.7, 334.1>) into LeftLeg(10) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 109.725 meters 
09:33:01 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<5588.4, 8811.7, 313.1>)[HP: 50.552] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5496.4, 8755.7, 334.1>) into LeftLeg(11) for 39.8425 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 109.725 meters 
09:42:35 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<5578.5, 8824.2, 318.5>)[HP: 27.132] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5495.9, 8755.3, 334.1>) into LeftArm(21) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 108.608 meters 
  
09:33:20 | Player "Charles Hargrove" (pos=<5536.1, 8784.8, 315.3>)[HP: 89.1634] hit by Player "Dallas Hunter" (pos=<5508.2, 8758.5, 311.4>) into LeftArm(21) for 17.3228 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 38.6496 meters 
09:33:20 | Player "Charles Hargrove" (pos=<5536.1, 8784.8, 315.3>)[HP: 86.7338] hit by Player "Dallas Hunter" (pos=<5508.2, 8758.5, 311.4>) into LeftArm(32) for 7.3622 damage (Bullet_556x45) with M4A1 from 38.6496 meters 

09:38:23 | Player "Matthew Cade" (pos=<5506.0, 8775.3, 311.4>)[HP: 6.57356] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5510.0, 8758.2, 315.3>) into Torso(16) for 55 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 18.0339 meters 
09:38:24 | Player "Matthew Cade" (DEAD) (pos=<5505.7, 8775.5, 311.4>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5510.0, 8758.2, 315.3>) into Torso(12) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 18.234 meters 
09:38:25 | Player "Matthew Cade" (DEAD) (pos=<5505.3, 8776.2, 311.4>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5510.0, 8758.2, 315.3>) into LeftArm(32) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 19.01 meters 
09:38:26 | Player "Matthew Cade" (DEAD) (pos=<5505.1, 8776.5, 311.4>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5510.0, 8758.2, 315.3>) into LeftHand(46) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 19.4001 meters 

09:48:24 | Player "Jack Ryder" (pos=<5529.2, 8773.7, 311.4>)[HP: 63.7] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5523.0, 8774.1, 311.4>) into LeftArm(22) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 6.2788 meters 
09:48:24 | Player "Jack Ryder" (pos=<5529.2, 8773.7, 311.4>)[HP: 13.8968] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5523.0, 8774.1, 311.4>) into Torso(16) for 49.8032 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 6.2788 meters 
09:48:25 | Player "Jack Ryder" (DEAD) (pos=<5529.2, 8773.7, 311.4>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5523.0, 8774.1, 311.4>) into Head(0) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 6.28004 meters 
  
09:50:27 | Player "Dallas Hunter" (DEAD) (pos=<5507.1, 8757.5, 311.4>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<5536.6, 8784.8, 315.3>) into Torso(16) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with M417 from 40.4685 meters 
  
09:52:33 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5543.4, 8787.9, 316.0>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5499.0, 8760.0, 318.8>) into Torso(14) for 55 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 52.5787 meters 
09:53:07 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5542.6, 8787.0, 315.2>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5501.7, 8759.0, 318.8>) into Head(0) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 49.7238 meters 
09:53:07 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5542.6, 8787.0, 315.2>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5501.7, 8759.0, 318.8>) into Brain(37) for 110 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 49.7238 meters 
09:53:07 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5542.6, 8787.0, 315.2>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5501.7, 8759.0, 318.8>) into LeftArm(29) for 17.3228 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 49.7238 meters 
09:53:07 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5542.6, 8787.0, 315.2>)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5501.7, 8759.0, 318.8>) into Torso(24) for 1.29921 damage (Bullet_308Win) with FN-FAL from 49.7238 meters 

 

Kill Logs:

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09:38:24 | Player "Matthew Cade" (DEAD) (pos=<5505.7, 8775.5, 311.4>) killed by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5510.0, 8758.2, 315.3>) with FN-FAL from 18.234 meters 

09:48:25 | Player "Jack Ryder" (DEAD) (pos=<5529.2, 8773.7, 311.4>) killed by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5523.0, 8774.1, 311.4>) with FN-FAL from 6.28004 meters 
  
09:50:27 | Player "Dallas Hunter" (DEAD) (pos=<5507.1, 8757.5, 311.4>) killed by Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<5536.6, 8784.8, 315.3>) with M417 from 40.4685 meters 
  
09:52:33 | Player "Chance Morrison" (DEAD) (pos=<5543.4, 8787.9, 316.0>) killed by Player "Callahan McDuffin" (pos=<5499.0, 8760.0, 318.8>) with FN-FAL from 52.5787 meters 

 

Chat Logs:

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09:42:49 | Chat("Callahan McDuffin"): //timestamp
09:49:27 | Chat("Chance Morrison"): //timestamp

 

Calling in to post PoV's:

@HECTIK32 | Jack Ryder | POSTED
@HDragon | Callahan McDuffin | 

Please post a FULL and DETAILED POV and any VIDEO EVIDENCE you have

@HDragon can you explain the timestamp chat log you made
@HECTIK32 did you log in knowing a situation had happened with 2 members of your group just 14 minutes prior?

[HECTIK32]

No unfortunately I did not know that we were under attack. If I had known I wouldn’t have logged in due to the fact of where I was in fact logged out at was a terrible spot to spawn at during a raid and for 2 I also didn’t have ammo I maybe had half a clip for the ak on my back and the sniper neither had ammo nor a mag. I woke up late last night and figured it would be a good idea to go out late and go loot places while no one was really online and that was brought to a quick end.

[HECTIK32]

After a discussion in the help desk i had to end up changing my mind as i feel like there is a rulebreak and also i am puzzled about the situation. With this being said if staff has any questions for me please ask away otherwise i will be on the sidelines.

Edited February 3, 2020 by HECTIK32
Changed mind on report after HD discussion

[HDragon]

POV: 

I had been at the prison for some time and I was in an active firefight with the 503. We had just broke a lock and were going to saw open the next door which was a courtyard door. When we were ready to saw open the door I look to my right and see @HECTIK32 log in. I quickly identify the 503 armband on him and see a weapon drawn. After giving him a chance to move around I see him move with his mouse. I then shoot him.

I think it is a good point to bring up that he is in the 503 and happens to log on late at night in a active firefight against his own boys. I spoke to @HECTIK32 in a staff help desk with the advisement of @Eddie where we came to the conclusion that we will drop the report as show in his post prior to edit. After some time of having it up he edits it saying he would like to keep the report up, when I see this I message him trying to see why. I am greeted with some lovely red text and a message indicating that I am blocked. I have no clue as to why I was blocked as we had a peaceful conversation that ended nicely. I think this could be hate driven, but I can't be sure.

 

I would like to ask the staff if it would be considered ghosting/AOGM for someone to log into the base where there is active hostile situation. In this situation he had logged in roughly 10-15 meters away from where I was taking cover.

Prior to us speaking in discord I had messaged him during the firefight to attempt to talk it out here are those screenshots. I was trying to not only talk it out but explain that if he was to join his groups comms he would have known that there was an active situation where he had logged out. With this I am greeted to a bit of rude behavior on his part.

 

 

@Voodoo I saw @ImNovaaa running on the barbed wire fence which is AOGM. So I timestamped for a report that will be up soon.

[HECTIK32]

HDragon mentions in his POV I had a weapon drawn I would like to state this is false. Moments after the event zanaan loots my body and you see both my weapons on my back. If you one was in my hands drawn it would’ve went to the ground if I’m not mistaken.  The time stamp for this is 3 hours and 5 minutes 5 seconds. I would also like to add how he states he sees a weapon drawn is a lie. When you draw your weapon you are aiming at someone. I had no opportunity to do so if I really wanted to I was in a load screen and then was in a dead/respawn menu.

 

[PublicVoodoo]

@HDragon how did the initial firefight start and how long roughly was it before you killed the OP?

After watching the video posted by @HECTIK32 above, @Zanaan claims 503 initiated first is this correct?

@HDragon we also want a full video of the event, as you have a recording for the AOGM report you have just put up im sure you recorded the rest of the fight right?
 

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[HDragon]

I believe the fight started when we approached the prison with Hector. I dont really remember though, all I remember is that they initiated.
 

I don’t record like that, so I don’t have the full fight.

[PublicVoodoo]

3 hours ago, HDragon said:

I believe the fight started when we approached the prison with Hector. I dont really remember though, all I remember is that they initiated.
 

I don’t record like that, so I don’t have the full fight.

Looking at the video posted, at 2:03:28 your group are confronted for attempting to cut off the locks to the base and asked to stop. The hacksawing continues with many jokes thrown around until eventually at 2:06:13 an initiation is given.

Now the initiation seems abit nice considering they could have just defended the place after seeing your group breaking into it and continuing to do so even when asked not to. 

[Zanaan]

@Voodoo has provided permission to post

I believe this will clear a lot up. At around :25 in my video, 503 initiate on one of our members while he was under the guise of a Mexican. They then quickly take fire and retreat to the prison, locking themselves in. After about 15 minutes of failing to goad them out or into firing positions we leave north where we meet Hector.

He agrees to help us attack and open the gates, opening all but two, then leaves while we're breaking into the last. This is when 503 initiates -again- before we have the opportunity, however we were still well within our rights at the time.

[Zanaan]

1 hour ago, Voodoo said:

Now the initiation seems abit nice considering they could have just defended the place after seeing your group breaking into it and continuing to do so even when asked not to. 

Also @Voodoo, this is inaccurate as you should know. The prison is -not- 503s base, rather they just live in a small area within similar to a citizen living within Sitnik. The base itself is property of the Knights of Georgia. Due to this they could not have simply defended, but had to gain attacker rights (theirs were expired whereas our defender rights were active)  in order to defend the compound.

 

Also for proof of the urgency of killing 503 as they log in, I recommend examining @DuquesneLR, who I am not reporting, only looking at as an example. He logged in and proceeded to kill 1 of us as we were leaving at the end, and nearly killed all 3 of us 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Zanaan

[Elmo]

Verdict:

@HDragon - Invalid Kill [On Sight]: Not Guilty | Lying In A Report: Guilty

@HECTIK32 - Ghosting: Not Guilty

Explanation:

Members of An Pobal assaulted the Knights of Georgia compound, jointly held with the 503 in residence. A firefight broke out and An Pobal breached the compound, killing members of the 503, including the OP, before departing from the compound.

@HDragon, we will not be finding you guilty of an invalid kill today, due to the fact that you are a member of An Pobal and share defender rights with all members of An Pobal that come under attack. 503 committed a hostile action against members of An Pobal, thus granting every member of the An Pobal CP rights on every member of the 503, per our shared group right rules.

However, after consulting the video evidence, we have determined that you were not entirely truthful in your retelling of events. Before the VOD was pointed out by the OP, you claimed that the OP had a weapon out and that was your reasoning for shooting him, along with the fact that he was a member of the 503. As seen at 03:05:08 in Zanaan’s VOD, the OP clearly has no weapons in his hands, thus calling into question how you could possibly have thought otherwise. It is the opinion of this staff team that this version of events was decidedly too convenient for you, as it paints you as a player shooting an armed hostile about to start lighting you up, rather than as a player shooting an unarmed hostile that has seemingly no clue what’s occurring. To this end, you will be punished for attempting to mislead this staff team with a false version of events. This will result in your permanent removal from the community, as you have racked up a notable amount of warning points in the last few days.

@HECTIK32, it is the opinion of this staff team that the 503 are entitled to log in and defend the base in which they co-reside with the KOG, as we see no reason why co-ownership with a recently established history of living there should be a disqualifier for allowing defenders to log in and defend their base. Though you claimed this was not your intention, nevertheless, it is important to establish these facts as they came up in this report. As a result of these findings, you will not be found guilty of ghosting. For reference, see this thread for our official stance on the matter.

With all of that being said and taken into account, this concludes the explanation of this verdict.

Outcome:

@HDragon - Invalid Kill [On Sight]: No Action Taken | Lying In A Report: 7 Day Ban & 10 Warning Points resulting in Permanent Removal.

@HECTIK32 - No Action Taken

Signed by: @APositiveElmo, @JobScholten & @Eagles