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1 hour ago, Conor said:

Calling in @ImNovaaa for his point of view as well as any un-edited video evidence they may have.

 

Logs updated.

Hello just saw this, I’m uploading the video evidence of @Monker shooting at our base before ANYTHING was said. Me then getting hit by a sniper from the hill. & Further more, me jumping on Jimmys head to get an angle on @Monker who shot at me a few more times before he met his maker, .308. Also if needed, although don’t like showing people’s PM’s with me. When I was in HelpDesk with @Aiko last night trying to figure who we may be fighting as I didn’t want there to be a million invalid kills. I instructed my boys to ONLY shoot people who are shooting at us and are immediate threats. Also when I was explaining things, I told @Aiko & @Mexi that @Monker had lied to me even OOCly to keep the confusion going. Sure he can lie ICly to us about coming alone, that’s fine. But when theres clearly a fucky situation, and someone comes to you asking if there had been an initiation that we didn’t hear or something of that nature & you LIE... Just unfortunate. After @Aiko checked the logs, it was I who killed @Monker who lied once more and said naw he was shot outside the compound among other lies. Unfortunately I did not record me giving him clear instructions on how to leave our compound without taking any fall damage. But I gave him clear commands, in which he decided to completely ignore. He also through his hands up when he jumped down into our compound, truth be told, seemed like a clear bait to make it seem like we initiated, along with how @Monker continued to pull out his pistol after being told repeatedly not to, etc. An unloaded and I believe damaged Stetchkin APS, as if he was going to do anything to us with that when he’s surrounded by many men with large rifles. The baiting seemed off the charts, and for him to jump off the right side in order to take more fall damage, and to lie and say he got beat up (not that he can’t say we did that, but to lie in order to convince his men that we had committed a hostile act so his men would shoot is wild.) Will he editing this shortly with video evidence, and probably some grammar/spelling since I typed this on my phone ❤️

 

 

First link shows me killing @Monker after he is clearly shooting at our place. MIND YOU, there had been zero initiation during the entirety of this event nor any hostile acts. If ANYTHING, checking the hit logs, he punched Jimmy which is technicality sure would give us defenders rights, but if everyone got shot for simple punches then my god would that be awful lmao. @Monker not only lied to me, but he is now lying in the report. I also will be checking @RiZ's VOD from his stream to see if he can hear me giving @Monker clear instructions on how to get out of the compound taking the slightest amount of fall damage, not enough to take even 1 chunk of health away (we know this because this is the most common way we use to exit our compound).

After looking back at the PM's with @Monker (surprised he hadn't deleted the messages as he deleted one with @RiZ) it's sadly disappointing how he would lie that much OOCly in order to keep us confused and probably to deter us more so from shooting his men who we're shooting at us non stop for quite some time. It's one thing if there was an initiation and  he lied ICly. It took him till @Aiko told us the hit/kill logs for him to tell the truth. Unfortunate. As a last statement, the only people we shot and killed, swiftly might I add, we're the ones who shot at us. It was my strict demands for my boys to only shoot those we have 100% confirmed are shooting at us. And after our HelpDesk call with @Mexi & @Aiko I instructed them to just hide and not do anything as all of this was a bunch of crap and I don't want us to kill anyone unnecessarily. Thank you for reading ❤️ 

- Your Local DJ 

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From my perspective. Random gunfire erupted from the prefab. Several minutes later my leader Daegon stumbled out down the road, meeting a member of ours and claiming to being beaten up before he passes out. I see people on the rooftop of the prefab as well as the windows and begin shooting at them as they had hostile action toward my leader. I returned the favor. 

It seems none of us can confirm there was a third party group there, so I can only assume the initial shooting was bait in order for us to open up on you guys to give you an excuse to report. There seems to be some OOC grudges from Wolfpack toward Nox clearly evident with the slander their members post about us throughout this forum board which is what makes me believe this. I hope I am wrong. 

 

@ImNovaaaI kindly ask that you cease your infatuation with the thought that all Nox members do is lie and meta. We are here for serious long-term RP and do our best to evolve others stories on top of our own. Daegon pulls his pistol constantly to make you uncomfortable. That's his character. -User was warned for this portion of their post- Never the less, he went in to talk peace. We heard gunshots. He left hobbling. 
Ever since your landmine incident you seem hellbent on proving some fantasy you told yourself about us breaking rules to have an advantage over you. We just want roleplay and could care less if we ever shoot our guns or not. 

All this being said, I would appreciate if you keep your post concise so we can figure out exactly what happened. I'll gladly talk to you through PM's to help ease your anguish about all the extra stuff that has you riled up. But for now, let's talk about what DID happen last night and not what you speculate happened.

 

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@ImNovaaa After seeing your edit I can see why you feel that way about Daegon. I'm pretty upset since he's supposed to represent us. His love for alcohol clearly doesn't help him shine a good light on himself. Also very cool on that third person peeking through an entire ceiling. 

 

My statements remain. I don't know who all the shooting was previously as Daegon was the only one inside your compound and was in there for 20-30 minutes alone. His escorts left when he went in. If it wasn't you, and it wasn't us then whoever owns that prefab needs to pull some tighter reigns on all those people you have that run around there 'cause it seems they got a bunch of you killed for nothing.

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1 hour ago, Spazz1313 said:

If it wasn't you, and it wasn't us then whoever owns that prefab needs to pull some tighter reigns on all those people you have that run around there 'cause it seems they got a bunch of you killed for nothing.

I mean there was initiation with two separate groups/dynamics a little bit prior between some people at the PD. Not a bunch of us got killed btw, just one of ours. We killed two of you, and one of your own TK’d. Also i’m not gonna take the “he was drunk” excuse. It’s just blatant lying after I felt like I approached him in a very chill way, just checking on the situation to make sure our groups wouldn’t get into a huge invalid kill situation. But as I’m in HelpDesk one of our own gets shot. @Monker has lied multiple times now, saying he was punched by us, saying he was forced to jump off the side, and saying that we shot at them first. Also when I get on the bed, I crouch usually and can get a shot on the Kiosk stands which is where I thought the original shots came from. Unfortunately yes I can where you think I’d be using that spot like that, as we have discussed as a group not to use that spot in that way. Anyways, that’s besides the point, just had to debunk your little jab towards me. As you’ve done multiple times in your posts. Furthermore, I would like to address the claims of “OOC” hate towards Nox from WP. Our beef with you is purely ICly. We had one issue of you guys blatantly meta gaming @RiZ‘s &/or @PhoenyxxRP‘s stream, in which you spelt out, “F U WP” (translation: Fuck You WolfPack) in a storage container with ammo well before we ever showed up. Now yes I got blown to smithereens by a land mine, fair play. Could be normal procedure when logging off, I get that. BUT, leaving that special little message for WP, and then proceeding to spew hate, salt, etc. in their streams as soon as this happened just shows what obviously was going on unfortunately. You have lied in streams many times claiming that we, “raid them nightly”. @Monker himself last night in HelpDesk when we were all done talking, decided to ask if he could say one more thing. & in a very snarky tone, asked if I could tell my group to stop messing with them every single day and said other things to try and make us look bad in front of staff. So all I ask if that you don’t accuse of things that simply are only being done by you lot. I personally feel like some people in your group, as I won’t speak for all of them, but at least some of them are having a hard time separating IC & OOC emotions which are causing things like all of this lying coming from @Monker, and the very blatant salty comments in their streams. We all personally enjoy the role play you provide, you can even see me telling @Monker last night that I very much enjoyed the RP and was upset that we had to ask him to leave as we were sure an attack as upon us. Only for him to go on and lie about it being Jackals or Corp attacking us to try and further the confusion through OOCly terms. As you can see I trusted his comments and said I’ll try and figure it out and that it was unfortunate that he got killed for what he told me was no reason. Anyways, on behalf on WP our beef is strictly ICly and if you feel like there’s anything OOCly feel free to PM @PhoenyxxRP or the person directly as they will be happy to speak with you lot about it. Thanks ❤️ 

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I don't think about you guys OOC ever, everything is IC for me. I didn't lie I just didn't know what was going on at first. As I said I corrected myself. 

Pretty sure big misunderstanding. There was another group shooting in the area and at the base before the entire gunfight. You did initiate on me and I assumed you were going to kill my dudes so thats why everything happened. 

I'll let the report do its own thing. Personally I don't care. No OOC hate tho ❤️ 

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23 minutes ago, ImNovaaa said:

I mean there was initiation with two separate groups/dynamics a little bit prior between some people at the PD. Not a bunch of us got killed btw, just one of ours. We killed two of you, and one of your own TK’d. Also i’m not gonna take the “he was drunk” excuse. It’s just blatant lying after I felt like I approached him in a very chill way, just checking on the situation to make sure our groups wouldn’t get into a huge invalid kill situation. But as I’m in HelpDesk one of our own gets shot. @Monker has lied multiple times now, saying he was punched by us, saying he was forced to jump off the side, and saying that we shot at them first. Also when I get on the bed, I crouch usually and can get a shot on the Kiosk stands which is where I thought the original shots came from. Unfortunately yes I can where you think I’d be using that spot like that, as we have discussed as a group not to use that spot in that way. Anyways, that’s besides the point, just had to debunk your little jab towards me. As you’ve done multiple times in your posts. Furthermore, I would like to address the claims of “OOC” hate towards Nox from WP. Our beef with you is purely ICly. We had one issue of you guys blatantly meta gaming @RiZ‘s &/or @PhoenyxxRP‘s stream, in which you spelt out, “F U WP” (translation: Fuck You WolfPack) in a storage container with ammo well before we ever showed up. Now yes I got blown to smithereens by a land mine, fair play. Could be normal procedure when logging off, I get that. BUT, leaving that special little message for WP, and then proceeding to spew hate, salt, etc. in their streams as soon as this happened just shows what obviously was going on unfortunately. You have lied in streams many times claiming that we, “raid them nightly”. @Monker himself last night in HelpDesk when we were all done talking, decided to ask if he could say one more thing. & in a very snarky tone, asked if I could tell my group to stop messing with them every single day and said other things to try and make us look bad in front of staff. So all I ask if that you don’t accuse of things that simply are only being done by you lot. I personally feel like some people in your group, as I won’t speak for all of them, but at least some of them are having a hard time separating IC & OOC emotions which are causing things like all of this lying coming from @Monker, and the very blatant salty comments in their streams. We all personally enjoy the role play you provide, you can even see me telling @Monker last night that I very much enjoyed the RP and was upset that we had to ask him to leave as we were sure an attack as upon us. Only for him to go on and lie about it being Jackals or Corp attacking us to try and further the confusion through OOCly terms. As you can see I trusted his comments and said I’ll try and figure it out and that it was unfortunate that he got killed for what he told me was no reason. Anyways, on behalf on WP our beef is strictly ICly and if you feel like there’s anything OOCly feel free to PM @PhoenyxxRP or the person directly as they will be happy to speak with you lot about it. Thanks ❤️ 

I laid that landmine and one of our newest members put the FU WP. We weren't metagaming bud, we knew your next raid was imminent after you guys came to speak to Daegon a day before. You're Wolfpack, you raid, we know that and so do you so we figured we would leave you guys a lil cheeky message. Nobody is watching your guys streams lmao. I'll reiterate, do you guys just assume anything that happens to you guys while streaming is sniping? 

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8 minutes ago, Tony78 said:

I laid that landmine and one of our newest members put the FU WP. We weren't metagaming bud, we knew your next raid was imminent after you guys came to speak to Daegon a day before. You're Wolfpack, you raid, we know that and so do you so we figured we would leave you guys a lil cheeky message. Nobody is watching your guys streams lmao. I'll reiterate, do you guys just assume anything that happens to you guys while streaming is sniping? 

I mean, your people were in @RiZ‘s stream. But i’m just making things up of course? These little snarks like calling me “bud” are very immature and disappointing. Land mines get wiped every server restart, so yes of course it can be a normal thing for you lot to set one down each reset. BUT, I was there a good 15-20 minutes before the rest of my group as I scout ahead usually. I heard someone inside who completely ignored me, I assume the man who put the land mine down as I think there was a server restart about an hour or so before. Also, that was the SECOND time of us being to your base. The first time we didn’t even raid, @RiZ can confirm that we stopped by, spoke to the Bunyon guy or whatever his name is about a possible meeting with their leader. Then the second time we came was when the message was left for us, along with the land mine that popped me like a balloon. So please stop lying about our group, and also no need for the snarky flame bait comments. Thanks ❤️ 

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2 minutes ago, ImNovaaa said:

I mean, your people were in @RiZ‘s stream. But i’m just making things up of course? These little snarks like calling me “bud” are very immature and disappointing. Land mines get wiped every server restart, so yes of course it can be a normal thing for you lot to set one down each reset. BUT, I was there a good 15-20 minutes before the rest of my group as I scout ahead usually. I heard someone inside who completely ignored me, I assume the man who put the land mine down as I think there was a server restart about an hour or so before. Also, that was the SECOND time of us being to your base. The first time we didn’t even raid, @RiZ can confirm that we stopped by, spoke to the Bunyon guy or whatever his name is about a possible meeting with their leader. Then the second time we came was when the message was left for us, along with the land mine that popped me like a balloon. So please stop lying about our group, and also no need for the snarky flame bait comments. Thanks ❤️ 

Mmm, no, you didn't hear anyone because nobody was at the base. I already said I was the one who put the mine down and I was online that whole afternoon. Those of us who were online at the time were in discord and there wasn't anybody there. Yes, obviously they despawn on restart. You came to our base during prime play hours of the server, if there was an in-between-restarts period you guys would have it a mine it would be then. Idk about anyone else being in their streams but I wasn't, I don't watch twitch to be completely honest with you, I don't even really get why it's that popular but that's another conversation. 

 

Also the day you came to talk to Daegon the first thing you did was run inside our unlocked and already pilfered base to rummage through our things. 

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42 minutes ago, Monker said:

I didn't lie I just didn't know what was going on at first.

 

42 minutes ago, Monker said:

You did initiate on me and I assumed you were going to kill my dudes so thats why everything happened. 

Two more lies. I'm done replying unless more lies are spewed out and I feel the need to address them. If you punching Jimmy was US initiating on YOU, then whoa my mind is blown. If telling you to please leave the compound through the safe means in which I did, is initiating as well, the wow I need to go check on the rules. Claiming to me that you didn't know what was going on, but then telling @Aiko & @Mexi in HelpDesk last night that you did in fact have 8 snipers in the hills is lying. Thanks ❤️

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POV- so Daegon went as we set up on the in case something happened then after waiting for maybe 10-15 mins shots were fired and from our angle they were coming from the direction of the base so we thought that's where they were from (we later found out they were from somewhere else) so we were ready to shoot but didn't in case it wasn't from wolfpack but once Daegon came out and told us he had been beat we started shooting and I moved more and more east on the hill over maybe 10-15 mins then I was shot

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No worries @ImNovaaa bud. No hate or anything but I didn't lie. 

If you wanna talk privately let me know and I can clear things up for you, because I have explained myself multiple times.

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I was one of the snipers on the hill and also ended up killing a couple of their guys. My POV was that I was sitting on the hill after Daegon had gone into the WP Base to talk about ending hostile actions between the two groups. Daegon was in there quite a long time and was not on radio until he came limping out of the compound and said to us that he had been beaten and forced to jump off the roof. We then heard shots from a different group outside of the compound which we were confused about. We then started taking shots from people inside their compound which I then took as initiation as multiple of the shots landed next to me and I could see the person shooting at me. I was one of the snipers that stayed right till the end to make sure that all of our men were safe and away from the situation. I had a timer set up on my phone as well to make sure I did not go out of the Initiation timer. Nox was not the first group to fire and we took fire before we shot. 

I would also like to point out that Grazy talks about Troy killing a sniper on the hill, which must have been another group due to none of our snipers dying to people inside the compound.

Also sorry for my slow reply, I am British and was working most of today.

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Just now, Jack Douchwa said:

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Thank you for replying, your temp ban has been removed. Please be sure to check the forums in case we call you in for anything else.

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Verdict

Invalid Kill (On Sight) & Combat Logging - @Jack Douchwa - GUILTY

Lying in a Report - @Monker - GUILTY

Attempted Invalid Kill - @Spazz1313 - GUILTY

Combat Logging & Attempted Invalid Kill - @Tony78 - GUILTY 

Abuse of Game Mechanics - @ImNovaaa - GUILTY

 

Summary

Even after all of the POV's have been in, there seems to be some confusion regarding this situation. What is agreed on is that @Monker went into the Wolfpack base to talk with them, at which point 'someone' outside of the base started shooting. @Monker left the base and then relayed to his allies he was attacked, and thus his allies began attacking the wolf pack compound. There are zero hitlogs from the initial incident of shooting. The only hitlogs within the Wolfpack compound show @Monker striking @Grazey, and then @Monker taking fall damage. The video from @ImNovaaa shows that @Monker has not left the compound and is still inside and shooting into it when he is killed. After he is killed he proceeds to lie in private messages to @ImNovaaa about the situation. His allies continue to exchange shots and one is killed and one wolfpack member is killed before they disengage and flee the area.

 

Reasoning

@Jack Douchwa - Your kill was determined to be invalid as you had no kill rights in the situation. @Monker can not claim that he had defender rights for being punched when the logs show the only person that threw a punch was him therefor granting Wolfpack Members defender rights against himself and his approved group members. No one else can gain rights off of this as he did not initiate, and therefor Wolfpack can not break the condition he gave to go non-compliant, which is the requirement for members of Nox An Victorum to gain defender rights. You also logged off within 30 minutes of breaking line of sight of a hostile encounter, which is combat logging.

@Spazz1313 - For the reason explained above, your hits in the firefight were determined to be attempted invalid kills.

@Tony78 - You logged off within 30 minutes of breaking line of sight with a hostile encounter, which is combat logging. You are also not an approved member of Nox An Victorum (You are not on the CP) therefor you do not share rights with the group. For firing at the Wolfpack compound to 'suppress' them you are being punished for attempted invalid kill.

@ImNovaaa - As shown in your video you provided, you were abusing the glitch of standing on the bed and putting your head into the roof to third-person peek through walls. This is a clear and obvious abuse of game mechanics. Do not do this in the future.

@Monker - You have claimed throughout the report you were punched by Wolfpack, yet there are no hitlogs for this, and no evidence that anyone punched you. As a result of this, you are being punished with lying in a report.

 

Suggestions

@Monker It was your direction to your approved group members that led to them invalidly engaging with the Wolfpack, resulting in their rulebreaks. Your OOC conduct in lying to multiple community members about your own involvement and the involvement of your group around a hostile situation is incredibly disappointing to see. People reach out and communicate OOCly to avoid animosity and to help provide clarity to try and stay within the rules. By lying for whatever reason you did, you furthered confusion and sowed dissent on the server, and we do not appreciate that. You do not have to give up information to players OOCly, but by lying to them you diminish your groups reputation and make it more difficult for people to cooperate or trust you.

 

Outcome

Invalid Kill (On Sight) & Combat Logging - @Jack Douchwa - GUILTY - 7 day ban, 15 warning points

Lying in a Report - @Monker - GUILTY - 7 Day Ban, 10 warning points

Attempted Invalid Kill - @Spazz1313 - GUILTY - 2 Day ban, 5 warning points

Combat Logging & Attempted Invalid Kill - @Tony78 - GUILTY - 3 day ban, 10 warning points

Abuse of Game Mechanics - @ImNovaaa - GUILTY - 3 day ban, 10 warning points.

 

Signed: @Rover & @Aiko & @Scarlett

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After further review of this report the admin team have decided to alter the original verdict.

@Monker: In the original verdict you were found guilty of lying in a report, which the logs clearly shows is a lie from your end. We do not take lightly upon lies. In addition to this another rule break has been missed in the original review of this report.

In the video evidence provided by @ImNovaaa you can be seen firing at @Cracka_tee around the 4 second mark of the second video. At the 26 second mark you're also seen shooting at @ImNovaaa. You did not have kill rights on none of them, and you are therefore guilty of Attempted Invalid Kill x2.

Due to your warning history over the course of the past month where you've been found guilty and given an immense amount of warning points, the admin team has decided to put you on final warning.

With that said the following alteration will be made:

@Monker - Lying in a report, Attempted Invalid Kill x2 - 7 DAY BAN STAYS, FINAL WARNING

This decision is unappealable.

Signed @Hofer & @Voodoo

 

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