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S1: Base Raid, Zabolotye, Constant Grief, Changed Locks .

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Server and location: DayZ RP Chernarus; Zabolotye

 

Approximate time(s) and date(s) of the incident: 

 

Ingame name: Liwanu Langundo

 

Name of allies involved: Dean Crains, John Wilkinson, Travis Bolgard

 

Name of suspect(s): N/A

 

Friendly/ Enemy vehicles involved: We had about 4/5 cars / trucks they all have been stolen. 

 

Additional evidence : N/A


 

For the past couple days myself and a group of gentlemen have been working day in and day out to bring the people who visit our fine establishment a proper RP experience. We gather supplies all day and every time we go to sleep our bases locks are broken all eight locks are off and all of the supplies the raiders dont want are left over and the items they take are  within their inventories / vehicles . They steal our storage, our cars, an break our locks an put their locks on and drop all of our gear on the ground. Our people want to RP an the person / people who do this, do it when we log off. I have reason to believe they watch our accounts on the dayzrp website an wait until we log off because this happens regularly.it happened two nights ago when i got off around 4 am est an same with last night leading into this morning. If there is nothing that can be done that's fine but we just want people to know that just because you are raiding a base and get caught doesn't mean you can't RP the situation and keep your life in the end. We aren't bad or good we are neutral and we want to create a proper RP experience because we know how it can be trying to find the right people to group with we happened to get lucky and we are founding ourselves on trust and loyalty. we want good RP to swing by not just a trolled out measly death bc we have something you dont we are more than willing to help others find the things they desire if you want a heavy weapon we will trade good guns for nails ammo and what have you. we want to immerse ourselves in our fellow community. We cant create the proper experience if every time we log in all of our items we farmed for the morning before are gone.

Despite all of this so far all interactions have been proper an we are grateful for all encounters that lead to some proper RP. 

Edited by Liwanu

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Approximate time(s) and date(s) of the incident: 

1st offline raid  4/11/2019 between 4am and 3pm Eu central time, Lock removed some replaced with different codes
2nd raid 6/11/2019 5am 5-6pm EU centeral time, 2 lockers stolen 1 wood storage. (Edit a side fence was turned into gate which wasnt placed by us.)

2nd edit, the fench gate placed by the offline raiders just been removed by myself. 23:00 pm EU central time 6/11/2019

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Edited by T Bolgard
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BUILDING LOGS

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November 4th
08:58:23 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1165.4, 9985.3, 344.4>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
09:00:19 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1184.1, 9984.0, 344.5>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
09:01:49 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1169.2, 9987.6, 344.4>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
09:04:52 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1166.8, 9981.8, 344.5>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw

November 6th
12:23:16 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1165.4, 9986.4, 344.4>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
12:35:38 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1178.6, 9989.4, 344.6>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw
12:50:46 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1169.5, 9988.0, 344.4>) destroyed combination lock with Hacksaw

POSITION LOGS

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12:12:23 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1192.2, 9985.8, 344.6>) 
12:17:22 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1163.2, 9991.3, 344.4>) 
12:22:21 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1165.4, 9986.4, 344.4>) 
12:27:21 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1166.4, 9981.8, 344.5>) 
12:32:20 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1166.4, 9981.8, 344.5>) 
12:37:19 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1166.4, 9981.8, 344.5>) 
12:46:19 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1171, 9973.9, 344.9>) 
12:51:18 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1172.7, 9987.5, 344.4>) 
12:56:17 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1175.2, 9982.9, 344.4>) 
13:01:16 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1164.0, 9987.0, 344.9>) 
13:06:15 | Player "Charlie James" (pos=<1182.5, 9941.1, 337.0>) 

12:17:22 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1448.8, 9819.0, 325.2>) 
12:22:21 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1183.1, 9991.4, 344.5>) 
12:27:21 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1163.0, 9982.6, 344.7>) 
12:32:20 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1178.6, 9989.4, 344.6>) 
12:37:19 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1184.6, 9989.5, 344.7>) 
12:46:19 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1156.5, 9972.9, 344.3>) 
12:51:18 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1170.8, 9987.4, 344.4>) 
12:56:17 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1166.7, 9982.5, 344.5>) 
13:01:16 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1162.5, 9987.1, 344.4>) 
13:06:15 | Player "Gary Lancet" (pos=<1183.0, 9941.6, 337.1>) 

12:12:23 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1173.9, 9969.6, 343.9>) 
12:17:22 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1162.9, 9994.3, 344.4>) 
12:22:21 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1177.0, 9985.1, 344.7>) 
12:27:21 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1169.3, 9987.5, 344.4>) 
12:32:20 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1164.6, 9982.2, 344.5>) 
12:37:19 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1164.3, 9983.3, 344.5>) 
12:46:19 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1169.5, 9988.0, 344.4>) 
12:51:18 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1172.5, 9988.1, 344.4>) 
12:56:17 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1171.6, 9982.4, 344.4>) 
13:01:16 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1166.2, 9986.5, 344.4>) 
13:06:15 | Player "Max Macmillan" (pos=<1183.6, 9941.1, 336.8>) 

08:44:20 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1163.5, 9998.7, 344.4>) 
08:49:19 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1163.3, 10003.2, 344.4>) 
08:54:19 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1165.4, 9985.3, 344.4>) 
08:59:18 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1166.1, 9981.4, 344.5>) 
09:04:18 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1166.8, 9981.8, 344.5>) 
09:09:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1169.6, 9985.2, 344.4>) 
09:14:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1160.1, 9981.4, 344.4>) 
09:19:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1164.1, 10003.4, 344.4>) 

08:49:19 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1132.3, 9969.9, 344.7>) 
08:54:19 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1163.1, 9995.6, 344.4>) 
08:59:18 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1184.1, 9984.0, 344.5>) 
09:04:18 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1172.6, 9988.1, 344.4>) 
09:09:17 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1161.6, 9980.3, 344.4>) 
09:14:17 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1168.9, 9989.5, 344.4>) 
09:19:17 | Player "Anthony Torrez" (pos=<1168.2, 9990.0, 344.5>) 

08:44:20 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1170.1, 9981.8, 344.4>) 
08:49:19 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1162.8, 9992.5, 344.4>) 
08:54:19 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1169.2, 9987.6, 344.4>) 
08:59:18 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1169.2, 9987.6, 344.4>) 
09:04:18 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1163.1, 9987.8, 344.4>) 
09:09:17 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1170.5, 9979.2, 344.6>) 
09:14:17 | Player "Chance Morrison" (pos=<1161.2, 9981.4, 344.4>) 

08:44:20 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1163.5, 9998.7, 344.4>) 
08:49:19 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1163.3, 10003.2, 344.4>) 
08:54:19 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1165.4, 9985.3, 344.4>) 
08:59:18 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1166.1, 9981.4, 344.5>) 
09:04:18 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1166.8, 9981.8, 344.5>) 
09:09:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1169.6, 9985.2, 344.4>) 
09:14:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1160.1, 9981.4, 344.4>) 
09:19:17 | Player "Thomas Haggerty" (pos=<1164.1, 10003.4, 344.4>) 

Calling in the following individuals for their POV and any un-edited video evidence they may have.

 @Liwanu - Liwanu Langundo - OP

 @C-J - Charlie James - 
POSTED
 @Elijah Johnson - Gary Lancet - POSTED
 @Kessik - Max Macmillan - 

 @Tommy152 - Thomas Haggerty - POSTED
 @hAwkzyyRP - Anthony Torrez - POSTED
 @ImNovaaa - Chance Morrison - POSTED

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My POV is pretty simple: With a decent amount of new players on the server I assumed there would be plenty of stashed near debug. So I brought @hAwkzyyRP & @Tommy152 with me to go explore. We eventually landed at this little compound, in which we hacksawed to get in there stash. There car wasn’t locked in, so we through what we wanted in there (mainly some weapons & ammo) and fled the scene. I can assure you we don’t “wait” till your offline. I wouldn’t even know your forum name and i’m sure it can all be checked by GM’s if i’ve ever checked on your account to see whether or not you were online. We’ve raided this place one measly time. For it to be a 2.3 against us, it would need to be multiple times. Thanks 

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Yea I was involved in both raids on both dates, My character is a known thief. Who gets a thrill of raiding and robbing. me and my boys went there on both dates to not complicate things I will split my POV into 2 parts.

 4/11/2019

We previously met you up there where you offered to Co-exist with us. I rejected your offer with the intent to raid you at a later date. So on the 4th. we decide to raid you for weapons and ammunition. And as you can see we didn't wait for you to "go offline" as stated in the original report as I didn't even know your own forum names. we would of robbed and raided you even if you was there. and since I heard European accents  I was kinda expecting you to either be on or come on any moment. No Rule breaks occurred here. we never left a single item on the ground. took what we needed and wanted and went off with your Truck and car. I did take your BMW and Truck around this date idk why the logs didn't pick me up. we didn't put any code locks back on.   Scrap that I think when I raided you the first time, the 5 hour roleback came into affect so it was as if it never happened. 

 6/11/2019

We was in the area and decided to come visit you. We was on the hunt for nails and decided to break in, while we was there we had a car and decided to take your storage units that we needed back at our own base. We took them because we wanted them. We didn't purposely despawn them as we still have them. I do not see this as griefing at all, no items was left on the ground, we took our time to transfer everything we didn't need into other storage units within your base. Its not griefing to take things from you.  yet again I didn't put any code locks back on. we took them for our own base. 

My personal opinion:

Gear doesn't make RP. you can not say that me raiding you is stopping or ruining your roleplay. This is a server where many types of roleplay exist. I purposely roleplay as a Hostile character, and my base in its self is raided every night. I recommend finding out ICLY who robbed you and taking it out on them. and I will always raid bases, even if there are people in them or not so online or offline doesn't matter to me. But I generally do not see any rule breaks there. 

Edited by C-J

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So this just seems like a salt report but I will provide my POV as required

We are looking for building supplies and some equipment we are group of thieves we turn up see if anyone’s home after five minutes with no response we survey and then get inside and start taking things we need like the storage cabinets, some guns , building supplies, locks and few choice items (New King James Bible/Orthodox bible, wire brush) which are RP items we leave in our car made sure everything was placed into tents/barrels so no griefing occurred.

I’ve also been back on the server for a week and first time I’ve been there in over 3 months

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Salt report? haha im not worried ab gear literally every time we got robbed we were just glad we got to build sorry gentlemen if we wasted your time. we were personally curious as to why our locks were stripped an swapped with other locks  being swapped out we were under the impression it was against the rules... we are all quite new to the server trying to create somewhat of a different experience for ourselves. anywho its nice meeting you gentlemen. an @itsnovaaa you dont know my forum nambe but weve chatted before. just bc you came by acted cool then when we all got back on an our items were missing idk man but its no worries. no hard feelings. sorry for the confusion you gentlemen have a good one. 

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34 minutes ago, Liwanu said:

an @itsnovaaa you dont know my forum nambe but weve chatted before.

Yes you messaged me when I gave you my "private frequency", but check to see when the last time I checked out your page was please. I would've also had to check the other people in your group in which I don't know. (This isn't even everything they had, simply couldn't carry more) Also having ALL of this crap, doesn't "add" or "make" your RP. It's called hording a whole lot of stuff, raiding is necessary to keep loot flowing. It's just apart of the server. Like @C-J said about his base, anyone else who has had a base has been raided. Many many many times. Frustrating sure, a rule break? No. 

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The only reason we decided to report this was due to the fact on the last time our storage units were stolen to. 
And correct me if im wrong but some days ago i did ask on the discord about offline raiding and the only thing that wasent allowed if people took away storage units from a base thats used actively by the owners and considered grieving.

And on which i personaly do feel taking storage units away from bases to goes abit to far.
The gear, guns or building matrials and such isn't the problem at all here.

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That is not griefing. as the rule states.  

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4.8 Griefing is act of damaging or destroying a player base, storage container, vehicles or their contents using OOC knowledge, ill intent or doing so without IC reasoning that is proportionate to the damage done.

When we took your containers for IC reasoning that we needed them back at our base. we didnt just take them "just because" and we did not destroy anything while we was there either. 

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Anthony Torrez POV: Myself, @Tommy152 & @ImNovaaa had decided to go out together to explore for stashes near debug. Whilst we where out searching we came across this little compound, in which we started cutting of gate locks with our hacksaws to get into their main stash. We took what we wanted mainly (ammo & weapons) upon our leave since the car within the compound was ready to go we decided to take it with us. I know that before we left, we made sure that nothing was left on the ground. We also made one entrence into the compound, didnt break things unecessarly.


I've seen reports like these in the past, and they do get rather confusing. There aren't a lot of rules when it comes to breaking into bases, I'm certain that myself and my people followed those rules to a teeth since we've had experience raiding bases for some time now. I also don't think that a 2.3 is a case here at all, this is the first time and only time we've raided this compound.

 

Edited by hAwkzyyRP

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Thomas Haggerty POV: @ImNovaaa @hAwkzyyRP and I spent hours looking for stashes. We happened upon this fortified compound out of the way of hotspots. figuring there would be something inside we hacksawed our way in. stole weapons, ammo, and the vehicle to transport everything safely. Having taken a break from the server I'm still catching up on proper protocol when dealing with this type of stuff and was reminded multiple times by both Nova and Hawkzyy to not leave anything on the ground.

 

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So what is the verdict of this report because it seems like a false report. I understand the frustration of being raided but that is what happens when you have a base, no rules were broken entry was gained fairly, no griefing took place as stated in 2.4 and we closed all the gates when we left all items taken were for roleplay reasons (Bibles to deal with Christian faction IC and so we can teach our members about Christ to stop them being persecuted due to acting heretical, guns for protection, plate carrier for armour for defence from others, food for survival, storage cabinets for extra storage in our own base and medical supplies for tending to our own friends when injured or have occurred harm.

Nothing was malicious or no OOC hate occurred for raiding your base I don’t know any of you, we spent over 30 minutes putting items from certain storages into your tents so it wouldn’t despawn and nothing was left on the ground.

The report feels like you were salty and angry I ask Admins look into a false report and rulebreak 2.4 on the reporter.

Edited by Elijah Johnson
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@Kessik will be temporarily banned from the servers until he has posted his POV

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I dont even know what's happening we went to a base we raided it and we got out we took everything from the lockers and the lockers themselfs nothing else happend, this is not even a report just a guy being salty 

Edited by Kessik

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1 hour ago, Kessik said:

I dont even know what's happening we went to a base we raided it and we got out we took everything from the lockers and the lockers themselfs nothing else happend, this is not even a report just a guy being salty 

Thank you for the POV, your temp ban has been removed.

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VERDICT

Accused Parties - Griefing - NOT GUILTY

REASON

The logs show clearly that no griefing has been done by the same players, as the camp was raided by different groups and different kinds of people. The changing of locks is kinda iffy, and should not be happening, but as there are no logs for this it is impossible to prove it with no evidence provided in this report. You can't put random locks on random peoples bases for no in character reason.

The report is not false, as OP genuinely believed this was griefing. But please read through the griefing rule one more time for future reference.

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4.8 Griefing is act of damaging or destroying a player base, storage container, vehicles or their contents using OOC knowledge, ill intent or doing so without IC reasoning that is proportionate to the damage done.

With that said

OUTCOME

Accused Parties - Griefing - NO PUNISHMENT

Signed @Hofer & @Conor

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