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Server and location: S1 Novaya Petrovka 

Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): 20:25

Your in game name: Vladimir Visus

Names of allies involved: 

Name of suspect/s: @Tringo

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): 

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): 

Detailed description of the events: Was a part of a base raid with some of The Shepards when my game crashed. Whilst waiting in the queue, most of my allies had logged off or fell off a building leaving me all on my lonesome 😞. After being told both hostiles are dead over my radio, I decide to continue the base raid solo. Without hacksawing anything, or speaking to the accused, I find myself moving deeper into their base. Like the raiding scum I am, I find my way down a ladder only to be met with a scary man in a full blown russian juggernaut suit firing his M4 at me. Naturally I shit myself but manage to return fire and trade with the man. Now before you, the glorious staff team, think to yourselves "Hey you were raiding his base it's fair game homie sucks to suck" I was previously banned in a report for opening fire on someone raiding my base without letting them know it was my base and that what they were doing was going to cause me to harm them. I had been waiting in a queue for quite a long time and further more spent quite a bit of time making my way to the accused. That would have given him ample time to make himself known, make it known to me that I would be shot if I moved any further or to simply leave the area. I'll throw in a few more points.

-During the prior situation to his 'allies' being harmed he did not make himself known
-I did not initiate personally, giving him no defenders rights on myself
-I spoke to the accused in helpdesk with a GM who kindly explained dynamic rights to the accused. The accused only responded with "Sorry for the misunderstanding"

Normally I wouldn't pursue a report but this kind of attitude towards a rule break is deeply saddening to me personally. Most people would just go straight to the report section and type up a book but I decided to give him a chance. Unfortunately, I was not satisfied with the response. 

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Okay, so yeah if you look at this in a "ruleplay" way then yeah I killed you without rights. I dont know what kind of response you were wishing for in the help desk but I obviously understood why you called KOS and was not gonna act like I didnt understand so please if you dont mind, tell me what kind of response you would have wanted from me in the helpdesk? 
 

Secondly ever since I heard the people come up on the apartment with @StarScream911 and @Not Pdizzle, I took a few peeks and saw people with orange armbands which you were also wearing. Right after both my friends were executed everyone went quiet and I only heard the same voices say one or two words every once in a while since im guessing they all went to radio comms, but hearing those voices and hearing the same footsteps running around the whole time without hearing them talking to anyone new who had turned up I was 100% sure the people left in there were the same people. So if you were with them for most of the situation before you crashed and after getting back in you still kept going with the raid itself and just acted to be one of them the whole time then you making this report is simply ruleplay and nothing other than you dying in a pretty BS way I get it, but this is one of these things that should not go into a report. 

And to your comment about me not making myself known when my friends were being held hostage I ask you this simple question, why would I? There is nothing good that could come from me letting those people know I was there, they would have threatened their lives for me to let them in and things could only have gotten more heated than they already were.

So if there was a threat towards "everyone in the apartment" from a person in the group and everyone there was very obviously together then why are you gonna go ahead and start pointing out rules as soon as you die. Doing this completely ruins any RP and makes it so no matter what you do you have to think about rules like this and it ruins all immersion in any hostile RP situation. I don't argue that yes technically it was KOS, but this is such a bad case of ruleplay. PvP groups like yours should never make reports about anything like this. It could be abused so badly if groups kept doing things like these to other groups just to get rid of them by getting them banned. 

Also, did you do a bit of AOGM by chance and use the "bug" with the pliers to undo a gate to get the codelock off. There was a 2 wooden fence high wall on the roof and im pretty sure most if not all of the other people had left or "fallen off a building" by the time I heard the first footsteps cross that border. So the only way to get past that gate is either sawing the lock or boosting with a bunch of people, I heard them mention that they were out of hacksaws quite a while before this and I also heard no sawing so im just wondering about that. I could've sworn I heard the noise you get from creating a fence right about 7-10min before we traded. Would be great if admins could get logs about that if possible. Nothing to do with the report but just wondering and dont really wanna make another report about a bunch of other things I "think" may have happened.

 

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Connection Logs

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18:22:14 | Player "Vladimir Visus" is connected
19:18:31 | Player "Vladimir Visus" has been disconnected
19:47:11 | Player "Vladimir Visus" is connected
20:25:51 | Player "Vladimir Visus" has been disconnected

18:22:39 | Player "Jaakob Mets" is connected
20:26:12 | Player "Jaakob Mets" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs

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20:25:27 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 5.16819 meters 
20:25:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 4.68694 meters 
20:25:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.9554 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Jaakob Mets" hit by Player "Vladimir Visus" with M4A1 from 3.59796 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Jaakob Mets" hit by Player "Vladimir Visus" with M4A1 from 3.62562 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.54143 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.54143 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.54143 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.4353 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.4353 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.4353 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40171 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40171 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40171 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Jaakob Mets" hit by Player "Vladimir Visus" with M4A1 from 3.39427 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Jaakob Mets" hit by Player "Vladimir Visus" with M4A1 from 3.3929 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40508 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40508 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40508 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.40508 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" hit by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.41465 meters 

 

Kill Logs

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20:25:30 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (DEAD) killed by Player "Jaakob Mets" with M4A1 from 3.54143 meters 
20:25:30 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (DEAD) killed by Player "Vladimir Visus" with M4A1 from 3.39427 meters 

 

Building Logs

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20:17:13 | Player "Vladimir Visus" placed Wire Mesh Barrier
20:24:18 | Player "Vladimir Visus" placed Improvised Tent

 

POSITION LOGS

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17:39:27 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<5437.8, 15228.3, 475.6>) 
17:44:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<5841.5, 15217.5, 473.8>) 
17:49:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<5803.6, 14338.8, 330.4>) 
17:54:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<4632.0, 13444.8, 183.7>) 
17:59:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3637.2, 12569, 220.1>) 
18:04:28 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3430.4, 11270.6, 304.4>) 
18:09:29 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3474.4, 10248.6, 358.7>) 
18:14:29 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3123.5, 8706.7, 284.6>) 
18:19:29 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<2269.6, 7437.0, 318.3>)  
18:26:54 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<2282.0, 7612.2, 340.4>) 
18:31:54 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<2314.1, 7585.4, 341.7>) 
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18:41:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<2143.0, 7403.8, 285.7>) 
18:46:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<2950.1, 7677.2, 327.2>) 
18:51:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<1970.0, 11583.7, 257.0>) 
18:56:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3390.1, 12740.5, 203.8>) 
19:01:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3420.6, 12724.6, 203.2>) 
19:06:55 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3393.1, 12731.6, 207.2>) 
19:11:56 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3422.5, 12740.6, 205.1>) 
19:16:57 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3422.0, 12744.5, 203.2>) 
19:51:59 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3392.7, 12731.6, 221.0>) 
19:57:00 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3346.3, 12576.4, 213.2>) 
20:02:00 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3436.9, 13053.3, 192.7>) 
20:07:00 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3317.9, 13040.6, 200.2>) 
20:12:00 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3393.1, 12732.9, 217.4>) 
20:17:01 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3403.0, 12727.2, 221.0>) 
20:22:02 | Player "Vladimir Visus" (pos=<3409.5, 12730.7, 221.9>) 
  
17:39:27 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3726.3, 6006.0, 401.8>) 
17:44:28 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3694.5, 6059.4, 396.8>) 
17:49:28 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3730.8, 6004.2, 402.1>) 
17:54:28 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2778.5, 5287.8, 204.6>) 
17:59:28 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2513.0, 5061.9, 194.0>) 
18:04:28 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2595.5, 5596.0, 215.8>) 
18:26:54 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2789.1, 7135.5, 341.8>) 
18:31:54 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2273.7, 7899.6, 351.8>) 
18:36:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<2273.9, 7899.7, 351.8>) 
18:41:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3211.5, 8829.5, 288.6>) 
18:46:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3565.4, 10764.1, 345.5>) 
18:51:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3414.0, 12571.3, 214.0>) 
18:56:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3415.2, 12731.9, 217.5>) 
19:01:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3426.9, 12736, 217.5>) 
19:06:55 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.6, 12732.1, 217.5>) 
19:11:56 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.6, 217.5>) 
19:16:57 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.3, 12731.7, 217.5>) 
19:21:57 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.3, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:26:57 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.5, 12731.9, 217.5>) 
19:31:58 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:36:59 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:41:59 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:46:59 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:51:59 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3419.9, 12731.8, 217.5>) 
19:57:00 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3416.2, 12734.5, 217.5>) 
20:02:00 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.0, 12732.2, 217.5>) 
20:07:00 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.1, 12732.4, 217.5>) 
20:12:00 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.1, 12732.4, 217.5>) 
20:17:01 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.1, 12732.4, 217.5>) 
20:22:02 | Player "Jaakob Mets" (pos=<3420.1, 12732.4, 217.5>) 

 

 

Calling in the below for their points of view and all unedited video evidence they have:

@Kordruga - Vladimir Visus - OP

@Tringo - Jaakob Mets - Posted

 

 

@Kordruga - Did you participate in taking @Tringo's allies hostage in the prior encounter before logging back in? Can you please explain the building logs?

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Yes @Rover I was present for it. However that occured in Myshkino, hours before I was killed. As tringo mentions in his POV he was in the apartment during this "Secondly ever since I heard the people come up on the apartment"

There is no way he could've been told anything about the situation without metagaming as several people were with them the whole time.

Also, the building logs show the use of some supplies I found to try and enter the base 

 

Edited by Kordruga

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Actually I was pretty close to them before the initiation at Myshkino happened. We were a little split due to restart and the fact that I had to walk my dog but I was with them less than 20 minutes before the initiation and when I got back in and was moving towards them I was getting info from them about the fight going on at Myshkino the whole time. A bit before they got initiated they told me they were gonna try to leave because they thought someone saw them and if they went quiet I should just leave and get to a safe spot. While I was waiting at the meeting spot I couldnt get a response from either of them on the radio and naturally expected the worst and decided to leave since I was very close and had heard that there was a lot of them so fighting was obviously not an option. Very shortly after arriving at the apartment is when I also heard the cars pull up with some familiar voices. At that point I had already heard from StarScream over the radio before they got caught that there were people with orange armbands around there so after they showed up with my friends as hostages my mind instantly took them as hostiles.

And if you say you were there for the initiation on my friends then that means I had defender rights on you in the apartment since the initiation happened just under 2 hours before we traded and I was with them minutes before it.

So if you were there for the initiation and pretty much until the point when my friends got executed then how are you going to hide behind "I didn't initiate with the rest on the apartment so I wasn't part of this at all" as you pretty much said in the helpdesk?

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@Kordruga - Thank you for the quick reply. We are trying to make sure we understand the full picture of events. In your initial post you say that you were told both hostiles were dead over Radio. I am assuming this message was from The Shepherds. Were you present during the beginning of the raid? Were these hostiles base-defenders or other parties from outside/unaffiliated? Can you give a rough time estimate of how much time had passed since the beginning of the raid, when you lost connection, and when you resumed it? 


@Tringo - Were StarScream911 and Not Pdizzle your allies in this situation that were taken hostage at Myshkino? 

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@Rover You can close this if the accused is happy to 🙂

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I was present for the initial situation yes @Rover. I would say the total raid took maybe 30 minutes before I disconnected. I was in queue for a while, connection logs should show how long.

I would ask @Tringo how he was present for the initial taking of his friends but managed to get back to Novaya before both of our cars did. I drove on average around 80km/h, I'm confident in saying a player cannot out run that.

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I used quite a bit of dex to get out of the area as fast as I could since I didn't want to get caught like @StarScream911 and @Not Pdizzle and as I said, I got to the apartments moments before the cars pulled up. If you dont believe me you can simply ask for position logs.

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You wanna check the position logs for that @Rover? Should be easily logged by the use of duct tape tying his allies up 

Also how did you @Tringo know they were being held up, none of them said anything about being held up that would have been double micd

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On 11/5/2019 at 1:20 PM, Tringo said:

Actually I was pretty close to them before the initiation at Myshkino happened. We were a little split due to restart and the fact that I had to walk my dog but I was with them less than 20 minutes before the initiation and when I got back in and was moving towards them I was getting info from them about the fight going on at Myshkino the whole time. A bit before they got initiated they told me they were gonna try to leave because they thought someone saw them and if they went quiet I should just leave and get to a safe spot. While I was waiting at the meeting spot I couldnt get a response from either of them on the radio and naturally expected the worst and decided to leave since I was very close and had heard that there was a lot of them so fighting was obviously not an option. Very shortly after arriving at the apartment is when I also heard the cars pull up with some familiar voices. At that point I had already heard from StarScream over the radio before they got caught that there were people with orange armbands around there so after they showed up with my friends as hostages my mind instantly took them as hostiles.

And if you say you were there for the initiation on my friends then that means I had defender rights on you in the apartment since the initiation happened just under 2 hours before we traded and I was with them minutes before it.

So if you were there for the initiation and pretty much until the point when my friends got executed then how are you going to hide behind "I didn't initiate with the rest on the apartment so I wasn't part of this at all" as you pretty much said in the helpdesk?

Just read this again @Kordruga.

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12 hours ago, Kordruga said:

You wanna check the position logs for that @Rover? Should be easily logged by the use of duct tape tying his allies up

Logs are updated to reflect position logs. Both of you were present in Myshkino area between 18:26 and 18:36.

 

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The game masters have looked over this report, and have come to the conclusion to honor @Kordruga's request to close it.

On review of the logs it seems plausible that @Tringo may have had defender rights, due to bring present in Myshkino, but without firm logs or video evidence, this is inconclusive.

As for any accusations of rule play or false reports on @Kordruga 's part, these are baseless as he had a legitimate concern and a legitimate reason for believing the kill on him was invalid.

With that said:

Report closed.

Signed: @Rover & @Fae

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