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S2, Possible 4.2, Stonington South PD, 4.00PM GMT

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Approximate time and date of the incident (SERVER TIME): Stonington South PD, 4.00PM GMT

Your in game name: Sid Sandman

Names of allies involved: None

Name of suspect/s: Unknown

Friendly/Enemy vehicles involved (if any): None

Additional evidence? (video/screenshot): -

Detailed description of the events: I saw someone in the Stonington South Suburbs PD, I went to say Hi and RolePlay a bit the guy immediately initiated on me and told me to out my hands up. Hence, he only initiated. I told him alright, I ran out of his sight switched gun and killed him. After staying in the PD for few moments I decided to head out and I got killed from across the street. Now, there's nothing wrong with that but there's only one group registered in the forums that have dynamic group rights and I don't think these guys are one of them.

However, this report is not about me dying, I don't really care about that. Its about seeing a potential rule-break and reporting it. 

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Connection Logs:

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15:15:53 | Player "Sid Sandman" is connected
-DEAD-

15:22:25 | Player "Jason Foster" is connected
-DEAD-

15:45:14 | Player "Vladimir Rockwell" is connected
16:55:45 | Player "Vladimir Rockwell" has been disconnected

 

Hit Logs:

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15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster"[HP: 76.5] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(23) for 23.5 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 3.10976 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster"[HP: 60.99] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into LeftArm(29) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.85481 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster"[HP: 13.99] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(25) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.85481 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(1) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.85481 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Spine(40) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.85481 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into LeftArm(21) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.83228 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(24) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 2.83228 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(15) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 3.1717 meters 
15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Spine(41) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 3.1717 meters 
15:51:16 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Sid Sandman" into Torso(24) for 47 damage (Bullet_545x39) with AKS-74U from 3.52203 meters 

15:52:25 | Player "Sid Sandman"[HP: 80.2] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into LeftLeg(9) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 27.7526 meters 
15:52:25 | Player "Sid Sandman"[HP: 60.4] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into LeftLeg(11) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 27.7526 meters 
15:52:26 | Player "Sid Sandman"[HP: 52.42] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into RightHand(47) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 30.7359 meters 
15:52:26 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Torso(24) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 30.7359 meters 
15:52:39 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Head(0) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.94182 meters 
15:52:39 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Brain(37) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.94182 meters 
15:52:39 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Head(0) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.94182 meters 
15:52:39 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Brain(37) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.94182 meters 
15:52:39 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD)[HP: 0] hit by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" into Head(0) for 60 damage (Bullet_762x39) with AKM from 1.94182 meters 

 

Kill Logs:

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15:51:15 | Player "Jason Foster" (DEAD) killed by Player "Sid Sandman" with AKS-74U from 2.85481 meters 

15:52:26 | Player "Sid Sandman" (DEAD) killed by Player "Vladimir Rockwell" with AKM from 30.7359 meters 

 

Chat Logs:

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16:26:19 | Chat("Vladimir Rockwell"): //ooc i believe you are breaking nlr mate

 

Position Logs:

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16:25:03 | Player "Sid Sandman" (pos=<3265.5, 1643.9, 0.2>)
16:25:03 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<6388.4, 1349.7, 8.1>)
16:25:03 | Player "Vladimir Rockwell" (pos=<6397.6, 1342.3, 16.1>)

 

Calling in to post PoV's:

@SidChaos | Sid Sandman | POSTED
@Spudoof | Vladimir Rockwell | POSTED
@Jason Foster | Jason Foster | POSTED

Please post a FULL and DETAILED POV and any VIDEO EVIDENCE you have

@Jason Foster can you please explain why you decided to break NLR and did you initiate?
@Spudoof how did you gain attacker rights on the OP?

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Jason and I were working through radio contact as I was right down the street he ran into another player at which point he was telling him to put his hands up and I heard a shot, as I was right outside the Police Station. The man ran out and I shot him for killing my now radio silent friend. I felt this was rightfully a defender right due to having shot and killed my teammate within my vicinity while I had knowledge of it. Over the radio I heard him multiple times request the man drop his gun and relax. He refused and shot my friend. 

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me and @Spudoof were walking through the town with our radios on i was inside the police station were i was met by a man pointing a rifle at me and did not say a word to him, i told him to put the rifle away and i pulled my gun out and did not aim at the man, the man then without saying a word tried to shoot my but did not have a round loaded and his gun went click, i then pulled up my gun and told him to put his hands up. he said some words that i could not hear due to poor mic quality and he pulled out a different gun and shot me and i think that that was a good call on his part, i did not fire a shot. this was all herd over radio from @Spudoof who was in the house next door he then after hearing me get shot by @SidChaos saw him runing away and shot him. i had told the man that had tried to kill me multiple times to put the gun down. i did not return to the police station for almost 4 hours and fail to see were i am breaching NLR

i also at multiple times tried to calm him down telling him to relax and drop the gun so we could talk it out.

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2 hours ago, Jason Foster said:

i told him to put the rifle away and i pulled my gun out and did not aim at the man, the man then without saying a word tried to shoot my but did not have a round loaded and his gun went click

Wait, that didn't happen 😂. I heard someone in the PD, I went inside the construction site. Looked through my scope briefly, you definitely didn't see me doing that as it seems youbare busy with an infected. so I came inside the building to talk to you. 

2 hours ago, Jason Foster said:

i had told the man that had tried to kill me 

I didn't try to kill you, hearing you inside the PD was the first time I had contact with you. Are you sure you are not mixing me up with someone. 

Edited by SidChaos
Updated some stuff

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wait were you not the guy that had been stalking us? 

edit: spelling

Edited by Jason Foster

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there was a guy who we had seen up the road and he had aimed his gun at us and ran off i though you were him coming back trying to rob me he had similar cloths on sorry for miss understanding, i think he had some sort of large black back pack and a sniper of some sort 

 

TLDR: mixed you up with someone else who had been acting wierd and had robbed out friend about an hour beffor hand in the same area, you were wearing almost the same gear. I apologise for the mix up

Edited by Jason Foster
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VERDICT

@Spudoof - Invalid Kill (On Sight) - GUILTY

@Jason Foster - NLR / Lying in a Report - GUILTY

 

REASONING

Invalid Kill (On Sight)

@Spudoof You state in your POV that you thought you had Defender Rights as @SidChaos did not comply with your friends demands and shot and killed him. Your ally initiated on @SidChaos granting him defender rights against @Jason Foster. Because you yourself did not also initiate and you are not in an approved group with @Jason Foster you do not gain Attacker Rights when @SidChaos goes non-compliant and kills your ally. @SidChaos is allowed to exercise his use of defender fights, and doing so does not then grant you defender rights because your ally was the aggressor in the situation and initiated on @SidChaos.

 

NLR / Lying in a Report

@Jason Foster You claim that you did not return to the area of your death for one hour. As can be seen by your own ally warning you in chat, and by your position logs, you did in fact return to the site of your death within 1 hour of dying, and then proceeded to lie to the staff team in the report. The evidence of this is shown in the spoilers below. You return to the area of your death between 16:35 and 16:40 server time, and you died at 15:51 server time. This is a break of New Life Rule.

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15:45:08 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<7225.6, 1541.7, 7.9>)
15:50:07 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<7016.7, 1566.7, 9.1>)
--DIES HERE--
15:55:07 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<5044.6, 1076.6, 1.0>)
16:00:06 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<5464.7, 1084.6, 11.1>)
16:05:05 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<5513, 1099.6, 6.6>)
16:10:05 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<5444.2, 1051.6, 7.1>)
16:15:04 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<5589.6, 1153.1, 8.3>)
16:20:03 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<6396.8, 1340.3, 16.5>)
16:25:03 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<6388.4, 1349.7, 8.1>)
16:30:02 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<6650.2, 1418.6, 2.8>)
16:35:02 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<6770.3, 1523.1, 3.7>)
16:40:01 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<7182.3, 1644.9, 13.7>)
16:45:01 | Player "Jason Foster" (pos=<7997.6, 1736.6, 14.5>)

 

SUGGESTIONS

@Spudoof Please familiarize yourself with the below rules, and take note of the ways that you can gain attacker rights. We have bolded the relevant part for you; Because @Jason Foster initiated and you did not, you do not share attacker rights and can not take action against @SidChaos without following up with an initiation of your own. We would advise you take the time of your ban to reflect on the rules and encourage you in the future to always prioritize roleplay over kill rights. If you are ever in doubt, you should initiate just to be safe.

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4.2 When your life is at risk or you are subjected to a hostile action by other players you are allowed to defend yourself. This is granted by two different "kill rights" that you can gain based on circumstances of the situation like which side caused the hostile situation and which side you are on.

If you are a defender - the one being initiated on or subjected to other hostile actions that threaten your life which you did not start or provoke - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining DEFENDER RIGHTS on the attackers. Defender rights allow you to kill attackers for 2 hours or until your character dies. Defender rights can be shared with anyone who you recently role played with as well as all your group members, if you are a part of an approved group.

If you are an attacker - the one who first did the initiation or started, caused or provoked the hostile situation - you are allowed to defend yourself by gaining ATTACKER RIGHTS on the defenders. Attacker rights allow you to kill defenders for 1 hour or until your character dies. Attacker rights can be only be shared with your approved group members. If you are not a part of an approved group, attacker rights can not be shared and apply only for your character.

 

 

@Jason Foster We encourage you to always be truthful with the staff team. The New Life Rule applies to returning to the general area of your death. By being in the southern part of Stonington and walking right past where the encounter happens, you broke New Life Rule. When questioned about it in the report, you state that you returned 4 hours later to the police station, while you actually returned within the 1 hour time limit.

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3.4 When your character dies you lose all memories from the situation that lead to your death. You may not return to the general location where you died for at least 1 hour after your death. You also cannot get involved in the same situation that lead to your death, even if it has moved to a different location or 1 hour has passed. Situation is considered the same as long as any side has active kill rights. Server restarts, crashes or other OOC events do not affect these restrictions or time limit. This is known as "New Life Rule" (NLR).

 

OUTCOME

@Spudoof - Invalid Kill (On Sight) - GUILTY - 7 Day Ban, 10 warning points

@Jason Foster - NLR / Lying in a Report - GUILTY - 7 Day Ban, 15 warning points.

Signed: @Rover, @Hofer

 

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